posted July 22, 2004 11:16 AM            

I have a very morbid query, but its fundamental. I have reason to believe that a man I am quite close to may have been sexually abused by his mother when he was younger. I dont know to what extent and Im not a 110% sure. Can you tell me is there anything in particular to look for in a chart that may signify a man that has problems with women or anything that may determine sexual abuse and worst of all from the mother.

Apologies for the depressing topic, but its important.

posted July 22, 2004 12:24 PM              

It's not a problem for me when you bring that up. I've read about dysfunctions like that, and I have to look back at some aspects I have on file which points to this. For the most part, I find Capricorn, Pisces, Cancer, Virgo and/or Scorpio influences tend to be involved when looking at Signs alone.

posted July 22, 2004 12:29 PM              

Moon is usually considered representing mother. Usually stressful aspects to Uranus, Pluto & Chiron could give some hints of not so good mother-child relationship.

posted July 22, 2004 12:34 PM              

That's just parental friction,
The squares and semi-squares are telling.

I look at the 10th house too which signifies parents or important figures in your life. Uranus conjunct Pluto in the 10th could signify a changeable and hysterical woman figure who dominated the scene. It doesn't specify abuse.

Pluto aspects, usually say strong willed, but it's impossible to say if the parents reacted badly. Scorpio ascendants seem to have terrible childhoods in my experience.

To do a search try looking for childhoods and astrology rather than abuse. Astrologers will not talk about abuse specifically but they will detail childhood traumas under psychological astrology.

Natasha
Taurus

posted July 22, 2004 02:01 PM              

This isn't always a given, but seems to be a potential that is brought out in combination to difficult house positions and other difficult. It's hard ot summarize these kind of things, but you get a feel for them after seeing them. I have been fairly consistant in being able to identify potential abuse in synastry with what experience I've had, but I've seen no major, single aspect of position that definitely points to it.

In regards to child abuse, given that many parents who abuse their children usually do so serially (that is, to all their children, or to all children of the same gender, and not just one), it's best to look for difficult aspects within the abuser's chart that might obstruct heathly expression of sexual drive, ego desires, anger, and feelings of powerlessness, like badly aspected Saturn-Mars or Mars in a difficult position or house.

I've never heard of Uranus playing a role in violent and abusive conduct, but Neptune can. Neptune can be benevolent or malefic, depending on the context and how it is aspected/positioned, and a malefic Neptune can enable a person to rationalize immoral, exploitive, criminal and abusive behavior. Pluto too is known to be a "power driven" planet, and when badly aspected/positioned, the individual may abuse the power Pluto grants.

posted July 23, 2004 06:25 AM            

Thank you again, if you can help!!!

born on 8 March 1972 local time 03:30 pm
in Dublin, IRE U.T. 15:30
6w15, 53n20 sid. time 02:10:43

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Pisces 18°10'10 08 direct
Moon Sagittarius 22°06'20 05 direct
Mercury Aries 04°48'56 09 direct
Venus Taurus 01°42'02 09 direct
Mars Taurus 17°50'39 10 direct
Jupiter Capricorn 05°00'30 05 direct
Saturn Gemini 00°50'53 10 direct
Uranus Libra 17°26'34 03 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 05°15'19 04 stationary (R)
Pluto Libra 01°03'05 02/3 retrograde
Pluto is technically near the end of house 2 and is interpreted in house 3.
True Node Aquarius 04°15'18 06 direct

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 20°44'23
2nd House Virgo 08°37'36
3rd House Libra 02°26'49
Imum Coeli Scorpio 04°57'47
5th House Sagittarius 15°17'32
6th House Capricorn 22°18'35
Descendant Aquarius 20°44'23
8th House Pisces 08°37'36
9th House Aries 02°26'49
Medium Coeli Taurus 04°57'47
11th House Gemini 15°17'32
12th House Cancer 22°18'35

Major aspects
Sun Square Moon 3°56
Sun Sextile Mars 0°20
Sun Quincunx Uranus 0°44
Sun Quincunx Ascendant 2°34
Moon Sextile Uranus 4°40
Moon Trine Ascendant 1°22
Mercury Square Jupiter 0°12
Mercury Sextile Saturn 3°58
Mercury Trine Neptune 0°26
Mercury Opposition Pluto 3°46
Venus Trine Jupiter 3°18
Venus Quincunx Pluto 0°39
Mars Quincunx Uranus 0°24
Mars Square Ascendant 2°54
Jupiter Square Pluto 3°57
Saturn Opposition Neptune 4°24
Saturn Trine Pluto 0°12
Uranus Sextile Ascendant 3°18
Neptune Sextile Pluto 4°12
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle).

posted July 23, 2004 09:00 AM              

If this man needs to heal more and nothing in life satisfies him completely, consider he may be a really good spiritual minister.

As for anything that pops out at me regarding abuse my mother, one could say his Mutable Sun, Moon, Saturn & Neptune wants to expand his horizons, yet feels the restriction of a Jupiter in Capricorn. A Merc in Aries may have had him speaking harshly towards the mother as well, even though feeling highly regretful & guilty afterwards. His Merc & Pluto Squared Jupiter, and a Merc Sextile Saturn may aggravate this even more.

Then I see:::

Sun Square Moon
Moon Sextile Uranus
Mercury Opp Pluto
Mars Square Asc
Saturn Opp Neptune
Saturn Trine Pluto
Uranus Sextile Asc
Neptune Sextile Pluto

which may indicate really bad verbal abuse, harsh arguments which may lead to violence. A volatile potential.

His 4th, 8th & 12th Houses are ruled by Water signs.

Ask him if he and his mother had really bad arguments where things become out of control and escalated to violence.

posted July 23, 2004 12:17 PM              

2nd:
Pluto

3rd:
Uranus

4th:
Neptune

5th:
Moon
Jupiter

6th:
North Node

7th:
None

8th:
Sun

9th:
Mercury
Venus
Chiron in Aries

10th:
Mars
Saturn

11th & 12th:
None

Well, he's got at least one thing good going for him. He has no planets in the 12th to make things even worse.

Overview of this is with his Moon & Jupiter in the 5th, he has a HUGE HUGE need to feel free, especially to expand his educational and cultural horizon - HUGE even moreso because Pisces w/Sag Moon is a wanderer of the world. Not into having children, or being really serious. A bit of a clown.

His 9th placements again, makes him want to expand, lots of verbal honesty from this man, especially with his Sag Moon. Desires lots of passion in relationships.

He has passions, but feels unable to enjoy them.

His 10th is the serious, hard-working, resourceful House, and he has Mars & Saturn there which means if he has the discipline, he can focus his energy well on career matters. The Saturn there makes for more potential for depression and repression, even using his work to HIDE.

And very important, I was really curious about what would be in his 4th, which rules family and home. The most mysterious planet of them all is there, Neptune, which rules his Sun. This means he may never find closure. He really needs to use his IMMENSELY creative mind to reframe and heal from his 4th House issues.

BY THE WAY::::

posted July 23, 2004 12:43 PM              

"...Mystic Rectangle :
A pattern of 4 or more planets in the shape of a rectangle where planets are connected by sextiles, trines and opposition aspects. Considered helpful, although the oppositions add some "grit" to toughen up the experience..."

AND

"A Mystic Rectangle is formed when two pairs of oppositions are sextile each other. The result is an aspect pattern that includes two sextiles, two trines and two oppositions. A Mystic Rectangle will always be in the same polarity, either masculine (Air and Fire) or feminine (Earth and Water). This is another "soft" aspect pattern in that it does not generate friction, discomfort or a need to take action. What a Mystic Rectangle does offer, however, is an extremely strong sense of balance and structure, of harmony between the four planets involved. Finding this balance is not a given ­ it will still take conscious effort and awareness. However, working with the Trines and the Sextiles will help to make more sense of and find the point of integration for the two oppositions.

Working with a Mystic Rectangle takes some practice because in order for it to hold up, all four planets must be working together and supporting each other. It is common for individuals with Mystic Rectangles to struggle with the two Oppositions, see-sawing back and forth between the opposing planets. Once the point of balance has been found, however, it becomes increasingly easy to maintain, and a well integrated Mystic Rectangle can be the most unflappable of aspect patterns. Once an individual has integrated a Mystic Rectangle, it represents a core of strength for them, and a solid foundation that can be a great gift in handling whatever else life throws at them."

AND

posted July 24, 2004 01:27 AM              

Also- I have found that retrograds are a major sign of abuse. Partuiclarly Saturn and Pluto.

posted July 24, 2004 02:45 AM              

Thankful I have no Retro's! My challenge is grueling enough, and I'm not an alchoholic yet!!

posted July 26, 2004 06:48 AM            

Your fab, thanks again for your invalubale time and help!!!! If I could return the favour I'd love to, but I think that will be a very long time away before my astro knowlegde is up to speed.
Do you do chart interpretations??? If not you should be. If you dont can you put in the the direction of someone really good.....

St Henri, I just wanted to add your correct in what you say regards Scorpio Asc childhoods, I would consider my childhood emotionally very difficult and had alot of ironing out to do within myself even up to now. But feel relatively sorted now, with a litte bit more to go.

posted July 26, 2004 12:20 PM              

Thank you very much for your kind words. Never ever worry about what you can do in return, as long as you are yourself, that's the best. Share you experiences if you feel the need to.

I've learned a lot from this forum, and you will too. I've been through difficult times, and reach out when I can. Most people going through a difficult life think they are the only one.

posted July 27, 2004 10:23 AM              

Mars on the MC, or Aries, at the very least talks about power struggles. Sag means power struggles at home, especially with Mom. Libra says to me passive, cold and unemotional.

What's your experience Fleur?

Natasha

posted July 27, 2004 11:12 AM              

The only aspect to my Libra Sun is Trine MC. Also, have Neptune Square MC.

posted July 28, 2004 07:09 PM              

It's not a square, trine, lessersquare, opposition,sextile or conjunct- So I don't know what the hell it's supposed to be.