posted August 07, 2004 05:45 PM              

Pisces is also prone to substance abuse of any form, due it's inclinations toward self-pity, escapism and being easily influenced. This is very common, and some astrologers will say flat out that Piscean individuals should avoid addictive substances, regardless to where the Pisces falls in their chart. I have a Pisces moon and I've been addicted to morphine (when I was younger). All of my friends that I have lost to substance abuse had significant Piscean influence too.

Lesser known "problematic" placements is the Mercurial planets, Gemini and Virgo, in moon or Mars. This produces a very nervous, tightly wound and compulsive individual that may lack inner discipline to avoid abusing substances like alcohol, which might appeal to them due to their calming effect.

Geminis and Sag are suspectible to substance abuse as we tend to not know our limits or "when to say when." Our inherent impulsiveness and desire for new experiences only adds to the problem. Any person with significant fire or water sign that is prone to feel profound insecurities and anxieties for whatever reason are also considered highly suspectible to addiction, including alcohol, aka "liquid courage."

The key to understand how suspectible someone might be to any form of addiction is to understand what compel someone toward such self-destrutive behavior: insecurities, anxiety, shame, feelings of inadequency...often coupled with, ironically, a massive ego (mind you, a big ego does not equate self-confidence, so many addicts are in fact rampaging egos that need to self-medicate to live up to their own expectatiosn of themselves...that Nacrotics Anonymous 101 for ya!). Look for this two-way action in a chart - that's a far better indiciator than just a single placement alone.

Case in point: one musician whose chart I've studied who died after struggling with a bad heroin addiction had a Leo moon (large ego, profound need for approval and acceptence from others) and Pisces Mars (self-doubting, highly sensitive, anxious). That's just one example, but I've found that kind of conflicting aspects in a lot of addicts' charts.

posted August 07, 2004 06:09 PM            

So, I know I am way bad in your books, addiction wise, as I have almost a stellium in Scorpio.. involving TNode, Mars and Uranus and Sun, of course, as well as a Capricorn Moon, and Leo rising.. with the exception of Pisces ( I wish I had pisces in my chart) I am a virtual living example of your synopsis.
I also have Venus conjunct Neptune in the Fifth house. ( Sextling Pluto in Libra in the third)
Good thing I am only a weekend alcoholic. (If that)

******~~~RUNS AWAY~~~******

posted August 07, 2004 07:19 PM              

Gemeni Nymph hit the nail pretty much on the head.

she may have trouble sort reality from nonreality YEP

It looks like she's fighting some awful demons. YEP

she's fighting some awful demons. I would strongly suspect that serious mental illness, such as chronic depression or bipolar disorder is the underlying factor in her alcoholism and that she's self-medicating to keep the symptoms of her illness at bay OH MY GOD YEP

She has these episodes where she (according to her psych) has NO impulse control. She rages or goes through deep sorrow, or some combonation of the two. She has also admitted to two seperate episodes of hallucination. Once a tree just jumped up out of the road on a road trip with her father... so naturally she had to swerve drastically to miss it. Antoher time she was going through a major break down and the little people in the river were calling her to join them.

She's also mentioned something about knowing there is someone on the other side of the mirror and knowing they are out to get her.

*edit*
As far as addiction in the zodiac, I can't really weigh in on that except for my life experience. I have to keep myself in check. I tend to be very addictive. I am strong willed too.. so I can (and have) pull myself out. I don't mean specifically chemichal dependancy, but ANYTHING that feels good I like to feel good. It's my favorite thing! If I allow myself, I'll do nothing but what feels good... neglecting things that don't feel so good... like say, the toilet

posted August 07, 2004 07:44 PM              

Honestly I hate it when I'm so "on target" in cases like this. It's my Pisces moon - like I feel little guilty exposing things so unpleasent or unhappy. I have a "disturbed" mother too, but she's no where nearly as bad as that. I can't imagine how difficult it is to cope with that in your life, but thankfully you've been able to learn something that makes you a stronger person.

posted August 07, 2004 08:44 PM              

I'll feel free from my body when I'm dancing, having good sex, just a few other things like that, but then life doesn't keep going like that. It's like there's a point where I have a really rude awakening, and then I curse the gods again.

I'm not suicidal, never have been, but often get frustrated at "God" wanting to know what courses I have to pass so I can get this life over with and never ever ever have to come back here again!

Drugs have never been a problem. I'm not addicted, have never been addicted to anything, but not above recreational once in a blue, and sometimes get the nerve to try something new. I might joke about it here, or joke about drinking or something, but I'm not much into alchohol. I may go through a very short phase with something, and then get bored, or something will snap me out of it. People consider me a "good little girl" for the most part.

That part said about Scorpio's wanting life to be magical, I can relate to that very much. Now, I'm not a Scorpio, I'm a Libra with Cancer Moon, but there is a Scorpio focal point of my chart in Mars. Also have Merc & Neptune in Scorp with some strong aspects to Neptune.

My Moon in Cancer Opposite Jupiter & Saturn in Capricorn (melancholy), and Chiron in Pisces.

Long ago I read where someone with a Saturn in Pisces usually has struggles with substances, especially addictions to the hard stuff.

Lots of sleep is a really good drug for me since I've always had power over my dreams and remember them all! I still remember dreams from when I was a child, and even back then, they were intensely FORETELLING.

posted August 07, 2004 08:49 PM              

Both of you have Saturn in the first house, which of course means nromally someone is stoic, stubborn, "immoveable," and head-strong. In L's mom's case, it was duking out with Pluto in a equal but opposite sextile against the stellium, without any other aspect to play "referee" in the tug-of-war. In you case, you don't have that power struggle with Saturn, which is very good thing. Saturn is more available to be a strength that a liability for you.

Saturn being squared to you Sun in the stellium may look like bad news at first. It could be bad news, depending on how you react to the effect of this square. It's a strong square - one that may either frustrate you or motivate you. Good news for you here is Saturn and Sun are both in angular houses - very strong placements for both. Chances are your Sun can hold its own with Saturn's pressures and therefore more than likely this is a motivating and stablizing influence in your overall personality. However, it probably makes you very resistant to change.

Also, instead of having delusional Neptune in the thick of your stellium like L's mom, you have nutcase Uranus. OK, I like Uranus - yes it's crazy and unpredictable, but on the positive side, it's resourceful, inventive and helps you be your own person. In conjunction with your Sun, your Uranus influence probably comes up with good ways to but that Satrunine pressure to good use. You're probably very good at figuring out solutions to your own problems, and I suspect often these solutions are a bit unconventional yet work very well.

I also like that Venus and Neptune in the 5th house trined with your Saturn. It will help you from being an overly serious Saturnine person, and you've probably pretty good at rolling with life's punches.

There's something going on quite interesting with your Pluto squared Moon. I'd be surprised if any typical intrepretations of this squared fit your experience, because the equal quincunxs with jolly old Jupiter on the opposite side of your chart. You couldn't have a better planet in quincunx - Jupiter has a way of making planets in aspect "behave," which is a blessing with Pluto and a difficult Moon (made more difficult in the very serious 6th house placement). Quincunxs are subtle aspects, but often beneficial, especially with the planet of luck. This probably keeps your Cappy moon happier than most Cappy moons. A happy Cappy moon is a good thing - very stable, and patient, and it will help warm up all those cold water Scorpio aspects. :P

Lastly, look at where Chiron is. Chiron's hugely debated, but my take on this is, being oppo of your Mercury, you can in fact be your own best friend. Chiron represents our "primal wound," something very profound and very difficut to heal. I believe that planets oppo of Chiron act as a balance to Chiron's wound, helping a person cope with this limtation effectively so it doesn't cripple them as much as with others. How much help the oppo planet can offer depends on the planet, You have Mercury - this is good. Communication and learning is your most effective key to coping with this wound, and you most likely will learn on your own how to handle this limtation. L's mom isn't so lucky - she has Uranus oppo, and help with healing isn't Uranus' forte. This may even hurt more than help, adding to the confusion about what's causing her pain, given the other problems in her chart.

posted August 07, 2004 09:02 PM              

*edit*

OK, you're a quick poster. LOL. Glad you like my take on your chart. Also glad to hear you see yourself as a fun person (Leo ASC - of course you're fun ) and aren't too serious. I probably was a little underestimating in that regard - you never know with Saturn in the 1st house, since so much of how a person copes with that has to do with how they were raised, y'know? Saturn is a very "parental" planet, and we respond to it much in parallel ways to how we respond to our parents. It can go one way or the other.

A couple of questions, if you dont mind:

Seeing that you have a fairly good balance of influence from the various planets (this may explain why you said you see the world in shades of grey), which of the planets do you think you most "identify" with? Since you obviously don't see yourself as a Satrunine, do you see yourself as a Sun-dominant, or perhaps a Jupiterian?

When you were a child, were you a rather serious child and learned to be more care-free over time, or were you always care-free? Did you often wish as a child to have more fun, or to participate to fun things, but felt that you shouldn't for some reason?

Having so much Scorpio in your chart, what do you feel are the strongest Scorpian traits that you express? Are there any Scorpian traits you feel you never express?

posted August 07, 2004 11:40 PM              

I'd be really grateful if you took a lookie look. Love what you did on Pix. I've never been good at posting the chart online, but I'll give you my info:

Oct 2, 1961 @ 8:44 pm miami, fl

THANK YOU so much...

PS: Is there anything you wanted me to take a peek at in yours?

posted August 08, 2004 10:02 AM              

I do have a brother who has Moon Saturn conj in Pisces andhe is a major user of all sorts. My other 2 brothers have substance abuse also. One has much Capricorn, tho i have seen him back off when he thot he was getting in too deep. There's that WILL in action. Tho he always goes back to it -- even if only to quit again.

Interesting note about Chiron opposing Uranus. I have that too. Chiron in Cap in 2nd and Uranus in Cancer in 8th. My major shocks in life have had to do with untimely deaths of all sorts. Spose i'm lucky it makes a nice sextile to MC. At least I "look" like i'm handling it well.

posted August 08, 2004 10:53 AM              

Uranus' influence is erratic and often doesn't cooperate with strict interpretions. Having a massive Uranian influence (a cardinal singleton in the 1st house in a grand trine ) gives me a fairly good "feel" of Uranus' whims and how it likes to be predictably unpredictable, and where it's most likely to hurt or help. With Chiron this can be a curse or a blessing - in a chart that has too much conflict, Uranus' infleunce on Chiron may not help much or be very constructive. In an overly stable chart, Uranus can help by motivating the person to find new, unconventional or offbeat ways of coping with their "wound," as well as (if the other aspects are agreeable - something *too* aggreeable) giving them a sense of independence, rebelliousness or liberation that we often need to cope with that inner woundedness that would otherwise tie us down. The houses and signs in which Chiron and it's oppositions fall are very important too, so all of that has to be taken into account.

However, like I said, there's a lot different takes on Chiron. It's of particular interest for me because I have chiron in Aries oppo my 1st house. As one would expect, per more common interpretations, I has serious issues with my self-identity. I also have the "opposition point" falling into between my Pluto and my Uranus in that house. While Chiron isn't in tight opp with either planet, because it's oppo point falls between, I believe they do exert some noticeable influence (especially since my Pluto is my rising planet and Utanus is a singleton - more powerful positions that would qualify as exceptions to the 3 degree rule).

posted August 08, 2004 01:13 PM              

I have Mars in Virgo and am a Leo asc.

I dont drink alot but only on the weekends and if I go clubbing I overdrink.

If anyone is interested in seeing if I am prone to alcoholism here is my birthdata:

12 Oct 1983
01:55AM
Durban
South Africa

posted August 08, 2004 06:15 PM              

I like you very enlightened comment on this post. I do not have a probelem with alcohol although by the laws of probablity, I should have been an alcholic. With sun, moon, mercury, venus and saturn in pisces(3/3/65 61.14W,13.09 N 10.30 am) . I can hold a a half of rum punch, vodka or bottle of beer all night and I get poke fun at that I am chinksing the drink. but I have a drink only once per month on average. I have been very good at disciplining my self when it come to drinking. I have stellium in pisces which I want you to help me explain.

Stellium with Sun: 12Pis49 and Moo: 15Pis00 and Mer: 19Pis29
Stellium with Sun: 12Pis49 and Moo: 15Pis00 and Sat: 8Pis14
Stellium with Sun: 12Pis49 and Moo: 15Pis00 and Chi: 17Pis38
Stellium with Sun: 12Pis49 and Mer: 19Pis29 and Chi: 17Pis38
Stellium with Moo: 15Pis00 and Mer: 19Pis29 and Chi: 17Pis38
Grand Trine with Mar: 21Vir02 and Jup: 20Tau24 and Jun: 25Cap30
Grand Trine with Mar: 21Vir02 and Jun: 25Cap30 and For: 26Tau34
Grand Trine with Mar: 21Vir02 and Jun: 25Cap30 and Asc: 24Tau22
Stellium with Jup: 20Tau24 and For: 26Tau34 and Asc: 24Tau22
T-Square from Cer: 24Aqu44 to Jup: 20Tau24 and Nep: 19Sco59
T-Square from Cer: 24Aqu44 to Nep: 19Sco59 and For: 26Tau34
T-Square from Mid: 14Aqu58 to Jup: 20Tau24 and Nep: 19Sco59.