posted October 18, 2004 02:12 PM              

(it's like First Aid 101 or something) ...

posted October 18, 2004 02:46 PM              

Virgo Artist-my brother only has a few more years before college, I have tried very hard to give him good values especially this year. I think once he sees what the consequences of her actions are, that will help him more than food and shelter can do. He will always have a roof over his head, but I can't stop him from seeing her. To be legally unfit, he would have to stay with me or foster care, and I can't handle his moods right now. None of my relatives want him in the house because of the way he sulks when he is forced to move.
He is an Aqua/Venus in Pisces,

He is very much torn between the two of us, and my mother is constantly trying to keep him to herself, even though is conflicted about the way she treats him, I can't take time off work to worry about whether or he will help her. If she asks him to take money out of my purse, he would. He doesn't know any better, but I can't watch him all the time. He has picked up a habit of lying lately, but he is doing well at school.

If I move him out of his school, I think he would self destruct, it's the only thing he has.
I am betting on two more years and I will help him be independent with a car, and then there's college. As long as he has hope he can't go wrong, my mother is hell on wheels and getting her declared anything is a mess.

I am happy with suing her from a distance, and providing help to my little brother when he calls me, but he is at a critical point now. I know how easily it can be for people to lie to me especially when they think they are helping my mother. She always plays victim, and he being a man wants to believe in her and help her.

I think when the deadbeat boyfriend is gone, my little brother will be better off emotionally. He really doesn't want to move again, so he can live with my mother as long as she stays in his school district. He set this rule himself, he also needs to get a part time job, He has been told by my mother to ask me for money everytime he sees me, I think some independence is necessary.

Tomrrow is the day my mother has promised to bring the car back, she said she didn't trust me before because I would throw her out and she was right!

Now I will throw her boyfriend down some stairs and kick his butt, and she can leave too if she wants to follow him. My little brother is not dependent on either of them, and he will take care of himself. I am hoping I don't get too angry towards the boyfriend because right now I want to toss him through a window.

I can sue her, but I can't toss her, she's still a woman, and despite being my mother, I still won't hurt a woman physically. Him on the other hand, I can't promise anything. Somehow I psychologically I feel my brother will be happy when this is done. Children depend on adults to set rules and follow them, as long as I have the car, I have crippled both my mother and boyfriend as they have no money for transportation. I get that my brother feels the same way I do.

The car is more important than housing to them.
So, that is why it's been such a struggle, I have cut off utilities, threatened police, called my relatives, still she hasn't brought it back, because she wants the support of the boyfriend.

Hopefully I can restrain the Taurus temper,

posted October 18, 2004 03:14 PM              

and this -

posted October 18, 2004 04:42 PM              

I didn't read everyone else's posts, so sorry if I repeat anything someone else has already said...

I grew up with a Scorpio Sun & Moon, Saggie Rising Mama... it was no cup o' tea!

Here's her stuff, if you're interested:

Planetary positions

Sun Scorpio 08°01'21 05 direct
Moon Scorpio 11°43'02 05 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 01°17'41 05 direct
Venus Virgo 21°51'04 03 direct
Mars Scorpio 07°20'43 05 direct
Jupiter Sagittarius 05°15'28 05 direct
Saturn Capricorn 02°59'08 06 direct
Uranus Leo 20°45'52 02 direct
Neptune Scorpio 06°44'43 05 direct
Pluto Virgo 05°48'14 03 direct
True Node Libra 03°39'41 04 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)

Ascendant Cancer 12°05'17
2nd House Leo 03°29'54
3rd House Leo 27°21'23
Imum Coeli Virgo 26°26'52
5th House Scorpio 01°38'02
6th House Sagittarius 08°46'56
Descendant Capricorn 12°05'17
8th House Aquarius 03°29'54
9th House Aquarius 27°21'23
Medium Coeli Pisces 26°26'52
11th House Taurus 01°38'02
12th House Gemini 08°46'56

Major aspects

Sun Conjunction Moon 3°42
Sun Conjunction Mars 0°41
Sun Sextile Saturn 5°02
Sun Conjunction Neptune 1°17
Sun Sextile Pluto 2°13
Sun Trine Ascendant 4°04
Moon Conjunction Mars 4°22
Moon Conjunction Neptune 4°58
Moon Sextile Pluto 5°55
Moon Trine Ascendant 0°22
Mercury Conjunction Jupiter 3°58
Mercury Square Pluto 4°31
Mars Sextile Saturn 4°22
Mars Conjunction Neptune 0°36
Mars Sextile Pluto 1°32
Mars Trine Ascendant 4°45
Jupiter Square Pluto 0°33
Saturn Sextile Neptune 3°46
Saturn Trine Pluto 2°49
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0°56
Neptune Trine Ascendant 5°21

I think it is very important to have boundaries... even for Mom. I, personally, have had to cut ties with my mother because of similar issues. It is entirely too draining to maintain relationships with toxic people. Unfortunatley, sometimes those toxic people are our parents

I think you know how to handle your situation Your S-elf knows. Have faith in you to do the right thing for you.

posted October 24, 2004 07:21 PM              

I feel the same way, I have to separate.
Right now I have the biggest decision of my life.
I have to decide whether or not to have my mother arrested for auto theft, because she will go to prison. I can implicate the boyfriend as well since he's been seen driving it around.

The police say there is no way to press charges with a family member, because any family member can take a car, it's not stealing. Terrible law. But I can prove she gave the car to this man, and he stole it as well. So that way I deflect some of the blame on to him, but she did take the car so she is accountable.

My family is pressuring me to try and look for the car on my own but if I do that and the car isn't there, I waste hundreds of dollars and time looking, if it's reported stolen I have a better chance. Of course I have to ask myself if I'm being vindictive or not.

I can try and have the car repo'd

I will try that tomorrow, but after that I have no choice, of course i KNOW my entire family will come down on me later and say, you could have done this or that, or waited one more day but

this weekend I found out that she has been collecting rents at my old house and signed a contract with herself as owner and skipped town. So, her and the Sag see themselves as apartment managers and believe they are in the right.
How I don't know.

I have heard about my car but it's so frustrating, the police will do nothing because she is my mother, and suggest I go look for it, it's kind of tough since she is 7 hours away and I have fly or get some major help getting there,

She has covered her tracks very well, and I will probably be sued by these people since she told them I let her manage the property.

Does this make sense? I am trying to build a fraud case on her, but it's tough to do unless I am resolved, it's hard to be resolved and exhausted from stress and fighting.

How do people live around Scorpios?

So I know everyone will say do the right thing, but WHAT is the right thing?

I have to decide by tomorrow morning, i think we would all know if there was infinite time, but I will be blamed for any decision I make.

posted October 30, 2004 01:11 PM              

Makes me angry, about being in this position, I look as if I am the one that cheated everyone. My mother is calling for forgiveness and money of course. Her boyfriend is calling me and leaving obscene messages. My little brother is telling people I am crazy and I found most of things I gave him burned and in the trash.

He also left a lot of damage,

Long story but I got my car back,
Legally if a relative steals your car, the police will not get involved ever, it's your problem. They say family members always drop the charges.
It was filthy and filled with photos of my family, on the floor was a blank greeting card that read, think happy thoughts.

Most of my Grandmother's antiques are gone, I try not to think abou it, but I have filed a civil suit, and started a protection order but I don't think a judge will give me that, we'll see at the end of the month.

Feeling tired and burned out and at the same time must work 60 hours this week, clean and organize, do the Halloween thing. No offense to Scorpios but I will never let another Scorpio/Pisces Moon into my life again.

Oddly enough at the same time, this nice, energetic man has entered my life to stay it looks like???, and I have to at least act happy to meet him, hard to know how to be nice when I feel like ripping someone apart.

posted October 30, 2004 07:42 PM              

maybe it wasn't Natasha's lesson to learn. Maybe she was just playing a role for her mother to learn a lesson.

Or, maybe Natasha's lesson was not to persecute all Scorpions, because I can assure you, we are not all like that.

Natasha, you have done an amazing job. Stick to your guns, girl, because it is almost at its end. I am pleased that you have some extra support (a new man). That in itself is a very positive sign for you. I hope that things now start to run a little smoother and a lot less dramatic.

with love

posted October 30, 2004 09:35 PM              

The problem is I do not like my dignity to be trashed. I see my dignity as gained by work, and helping others, and some people feel the world owes them. As my mother put it, "You owe me
Everyone owes me".

Strong words but they mean nothing, if they come from a person who is nothing to herself, who has no self esteem, and hates everyone related to her.
How can I love someone who hates herself, she will always hurt anyone who helps her.

I have been friends with quite a few Scorpios, but whenever they drank or used drugs, they instantly became my worst enemy, suspicious of me, hating me, using me and plotting to hurt me. And the worst thing is you never know when a Scorpio falls apart because it's all hidden. I would love to know what the signs are for a healthy Scorpio, especially the women.

The best indicator seems to be the lack of drinking, or a really fulfilling career. Marriage/children do not seem to be enough.

posted October 31, 2004 04:06 AM              

Ooo, you've touched on many interesting points in your post and my deep and analytical mind is racing three paragraphs ahead, in order to provide an appropriate reply.

In response to your comment: "Scorpios only seem to be open with their partners, or significant others."

It is true that Scorpions keep their feelings and emotions very close to their chest. Interestingly, and I may have even written this in a post on this forum, there would not be one person in this world that knows everything about me. (Other than my spirit guide.) However, several people know several different things about me....God help me if they all ever get together in the one room for a discussion, LOL.

Am I dishonest? No. Am I open? Well, let's just say that I choose the recipients carefully. Why? Because I'm independent and a little introverted so I tend to look inward to find my answers. Scorpions usually do a lot of self-analysis before anybody even knows they might be dying inside or struggling with a problem.

Do I trust others? Not as much as I trust myself. I have a handful of very close friends and they know what they mean to me. Everybody else is dealt with on a superficial level.

I will readily share my thoughts and give you my opinion on any topic you wish to discuss but feelings are a different kettle of fish. They are mine and I'm only going to share them with a select few. If any at all.

I do not understand why your mother thinks everybody, including you, owes her. I have four planets in Scorp and I cannot relate to that at all.

In response to your comment: "How can I love someone who hates herself, she will always hurt anyone who helps her."

She sounds as if she sets up a destructive pattern to continually be abandoned. I'm just wondering, was she abandoned as a child? Of course you could love her, but it would be unconditional love, and one where you could not expect anything in return. But you are right, she needs self-love before attracting the love she needs in her life.

In response to your comment: "I have been friends with quite a few Scorpios, but whenever they drank or used drugs, they instantly became my worst enemy, suspicious of me, hating me, using me and plotting to hurt me."

Hmm, this is the negative or dark side of the sign. I've never done drugs and I only drink socially so perhaps I'm not the best qualified to answer this. Or, perhaps I'm evolved - an eagle.

In response to your comment: "And the worst thing is you never know when a Scorpio falls apart because it's all hidden."

Yes, because we go into self-heal mode. There are only two things that survive a nuclear holocaust. One is a cockroach, the other is a scorpion. We were made tough survivors for a reason.

In response to your comment: "I would love to know what the signs are for a healthy Scorpio, especially the women. The best indicator seems to be the lack of drinking, or a really fulfilling career. Marriage/children do not seem to be enough. Am I right?"

Am I qualified to answer this? I don't know. As I said earlier, I don't do drugs and I only drink socially so that might count for some qualification. I have a job but it's not really a career. I was married but that didn't do it (bad choice of partner though) and I am certainly more than just a mother.

All in all, I do consider myself healthy. Perhaps it's about accepting and integrating the dark side of the sign. I've done a lot of work in that area.

Now, was that open or secretive....or perhaps a little of both!

posted October 31, 2004 04:49 AM              

Well then...think again,
And listen to the story of my life,
[It's gonna drive you insane]
My life...a life filled with pain.

I was a wimp at school,
And my classmates thought it was real cool
When they made my hair all wet
[You see,that happened when they flushed my head in the toilet]

Baseball was really fun.......
I remember the day I hit a home run,
And then I wish I had died,
When it hit my coach in his one good eye.

And then along came romance
Aah! those magical years......
When the world was a beautiful,cheerful place,
Where you abandoned all your fears...

Your varied problems she would understand,
All your troubles she would mend,
When to the depths of her soul you thought you had been...
She calls up and says..."Honey,yesterday I discovered I'm a lesbian!

So...if you feel your life sucks,
Think about me........
If there is a contest about hopeless lives,
Man...I'm way up that tree.

Just trying to cheer you up, Sthenri,...ok..I admit that's not my life;here in India we play more cricket than baseball anywayz.
p.s. Tell you what...gift your mom an Eminem cd this Halloween......"Mama,I never wanted to make you cry..but tonite..I'm cleaning out my closet"

All the best...keep smiling!!

posted October 31, 2004 09:39 AM              

PurpleScorp, yes I believe Scorpios do like stay hidden, it's my nature to be curious with Gemini Mercury in the 7th.

the abandonment issue, is touchy, my grandmother was another scorpio, aries moon, leo ascendant who was proud and distrustful of my mother's wild ways. my mother has moon in 10th, and uranus in cancer on the ascendant, home life was unsettled because both women fought for attention, and control. she left home for a man who my grandmother hated (not my father).

Yes she feels abandoned by everyone, but then she is a very bitter person and suspicious of everyone, if she is shortchanged she will verbally attack the store clerk, rather than being reasonable. She can be vicious and destory someone's property over a grudge. She justifies herself constantly for her abuse, because she sees invisible motives and plots. She is convinced things are happening, that are not. Extreme paranoia sometimes.

This probably has more to do with her Uranus in Cancer on the ascendant than her Scorpio Sun and Venus, My Grandmother was fine.

Natasha