posted November 26, 2004 11:56 PM              

-strictness in early childhood
-a mother who is cold and somewhat selfish
-even when they reach adulthood- the Scorpio -mother is still meddling into their private affairs
-Jealousy of the child- especially if u have accomplished more than them
-fierce protectiveness
-alot of people with Scorpio mothers are estranged from them
-competion with other sibilings As WELL AS:

Many mutable sign people (including 4 of my friends and my MUM) are either:
-not close with their mothers
-felt as if their parents didn't give a damn about them growing up
- felt that their mum/dad put their spouces before them
-have suffered the cruel treatment of a realtive
-felt like an outsider or an outcast in their family
-have lots of family secrets

posted November 27, 2004 12:42 AM              

My Sag friend isn't close to his family at all. Speaks ill of them as well. I've also known some other Virgos (3) who have experienced those things as well.

posted November 27, 2004 12:47 AM            

I think Scorpios love them children dearly. I mean, all parents love their children, but Scorpios REALLY LOVE their children. Scorpios feel things very intensely about every day things so when it comes to something as profound as a parent/child relationship, the feelings there are are even more intense.

I think the problem is that Scorpio parents are just so in love and protective of their children that they just don't know how to express it. Scorpios don't like to show all their cards, they're kind of secretive and keep their inner wheelings and dealings to themselves. It isn't in a mean way, it's just how they operate. Kids don't understand this though, so a lot of times the Scorpio parents comes off as cold or indifferent.

I guess a good example of this would be my friend Lindsay, her dad is a Scorpio and he insists that she call and check in with him every three hours on the hour, and if she doesn't he starts blowing up her phone. She complains that he is too strict and it's ridiculous and maybe it is but if you look closer I think it's just another example of his love for her being misunderstood. He can't come out and just tell her how he loves her and lives for her and she's his only daughter and he cares, so instead he needs to know where she is at all times because he wants to know that she is safe and well. It's a protective thing but it comes off in a harsh way.

another good example is my friend Remy. Her mom Judy (who I've known forever) is a Scorpio and Remy has said on many occasions that the only time she really sees the depth of her mothers love and devotion to her is when she is defending her. Judy is very strict and demands respect. She definitely runs her household, and although she sometimes comes off as sort of aloof you can still see the emotion behind her eyes. All this changes though if someone hurts Remy. On one occasion a teacher made Remy cry because she yelled at her in front of the entire playground and when Judy found out she stormed down to the school and let's just say that when Judy was done telling the teacher off, Remy wasn't the only one who cried that day. One time in a grocery store a man was walking and talking on his cell phone and rounded a corner and knock Remy into one of the shelves, and instead of apologizing he gave Remy a look like it was her fault, well Judy saw that and ran after the man and all 5 foot 2 of her dragged him back to Remy and gave him a piece of her mind until he looked like he wanted to run away (she got him to apologize though).

My friend Sarah, who would have swore her dad just thought of her as some stranger living in his house was blown away when during her first week of college, she called home and left a message on the answering machine crying because she was so lonely and wanted to quit and that week he drove from Las Vegas to Texas University to see her and make sure she was okay, only to have to leave 4 hours later so he could make it back to work by Monday.

posted November 27, 2004 08:08 AM              

Here in Denver, there is a comic in the paper called ' Pot Shots' , the artist is Ashleigh Brilliant. This one spoke volumes to me.

" No bond can be stronger
than between parent and child ~
and no
hatred greater."

Maybe there was a certain arachnid influence...? My parents are both Leos. My Dad is Virgo rising, Pisces Moon.My Mom at the last degree Pisces, Virgo Moon. I am the ' Daddy's Little Girl "..... big time! Although my Mom and I have had our issues, we have now found new ways to understanding each other and, I need to know her. I have only been really getting serious about learning astrology for about a year now and, the majority of the chart wheels and interps that I have requested, have my Ascendent in Scorpio 22*....?

When I was a teenager, I would get, almost impatient, upon my departure from my Dad's , as he would have to tell me how much he loved me, and how much I had no idea, how much that was,........ what seemed like a million times, before I could leave. My Mom, it did'nt come often or, easy. But, when she does say those words or, hold me in a hug, it is felt, very deeply. Now, I am Mom, but, I now also know how much it is, that I am loved! I fit the ' strict ' mold, I guess...? I don't chose to live a ' role ' though. I will always be me, and I do believe in shows of love and I will never be quiet about the fact that I Love my babies. I will not, however, always be their best friend in doing so!

posted November 27, 2004 10:40 AM              

I'm a gemini, libra rising, taurus moon (singleton (only earth), unaspected). I don't know why I'm like that (we were raised like that though), and why I cant intellectually "get over it"...grrrrr I think there is too much air in my chart, too much to be good for me!

I think air people have trouble being parents, we are too "mentally" involved, i.e. I break my head trying to figure out how to help him be better at school, how to teach him to save, what he should read, how much tv he can watch, what educational games he should play, etc. But becuase I'm not a very physical person, I tend to neglect the fact that physicality is an important part of bonding.

Being a mutable sign, I have to say I get along well with my parents, but I've always been the odd man out, being the oldest of 4 and having to babysit a lot, I didn't belong to the "kids" (which I still call my grown up siblings!), nor did I belong to the adults. I am still the one who sits on the sidelines. *sob* lol

posted November 27, 2004 12:12 PM              

My Taurus friend's mom tends to baby her other offspring (another Scorpio) more than him. Mom definately loves him.. you can see it in the way she looks at the Taurus. Vocalized? No.

My Scorpio friend's Scorpio mom has done nothing to support her her whole life except provide a roof over her head. Nothing is too good for the mom's other child though (I think he's a Sag) and he gets EVERYTHING he wants. Weird extreme. Maybe too much secrets and lack of emotion expressed between them.

My Cancer friend's Scorpio father favors his other Virgo child extremely, and there's no hiding it. From what I've observed, he can't handle emotion well with other people, and the Cancer is very emotional.

I personally as a Scorpio that only has a furchild could NOT imagine not showing my love to my future children. My nieces and nephews will climb all over me like monkeys and I *LOVE* it! I love to cuddle with them, play with them, talk on the phone with them. The kids WON'T stay away from me when I'm around! I just adore it and them.

I am afraid of what extremes I could go through when I do have my own children, because if I'm mad, I'm very good at giving the silent treatment, and I know that that's the wrong way to fix things. Awareness is good.

The thing that reassures me though is that I spoil my dog so well that family says that I'll make an excellent mother.

posted November 27, 2004 03:11 PM            

Pisces are reluctant to break the bonds of family, but their early life conditioning isn't always easy.

Gemini, so many people so little time, what can I say. Their life begins when they leave home.

posted November 27, 2004 04:40 PM            

Saggitarians are definitely the most likely to rarely see their family.

posted November 27, 2004 08:26 PM              

I just adore it when we take astrological stereotypes and milk it for all its worth.

I am a Virgo.....guess what? I have no use for family. My Sag mom is obsessed with her family...she is the one who has held it together since her parents' death. My Leo father and I havent been under the same roof for almost 20 years. I have a Scorpio friend who is the most doting, loving father i have ever seen.

My parents either screamed at me or ignored me until they finally got the guts to get a divorce. My extended family...except my grandmother....never game a damn about me either. I dont hate any of these people, but as far as I am concerned, they are just people I happened to be related to. That doesnt mean **** to me.

This is why my life is so much better when I move a few thousand miles away from them.

posted November 27, 2004 08:50 PM              

She was:

-Super strict
-Cold and VERY selfish
-Would still be meddling in my private affairs if we had anything to do wiht one and other.
- she was fiercely protective (especially of herself)
-Estranged for the past 5 years (my choice)

As well as:

-we were never close
-I definitely felt my parents didn't give a damn about me
-I didn't so much feel that she put spouses above me, but she definitely put herself above everything (smokes for her before food for us, kind of selfish)
-I suffered cruel treatment from both bio-parents
-was always an outcast within my immediate family... Especially now that my mother's side of the family won't have anything to do with me because I'm an awful human being who told a judge her mother is an abusive alcoholic and shouldn't be awarded custody of her two small children.

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With that being said, there are definitely two kinds of Scorps (well, maybe more than two... but I'm talking basics). The fabulous, lovable, beautiful ones like Pix (who, I'm quite sure is a very loving mother), and the other one... like my mom is. They are very different!

posted November 28, 2004 02:48 AM            

If I need help with anything, school, advice, projects, crafts, my mother is right there with me. We also have a very good verbal rapport and really connect mentally. The biggest problem in our relationship has always been the fact that she is a little cold (for lack of a better word). We are complete opposites when it comes to how we feel things. I guess the best way to put it is, I'm a feeler and she is a thinker. I'm very emotional and feel things very deeply where as she usually intellectualizes everything in her life. I find myself often getting frustrated because when I try to go to her for comfort and instead of listening and comforting me, she goes right into "solve mode" when really all I want is for her to be there for me.

posted November 28, 2004 12:13 PM              

Hubby is a cappy with gem. rising and libra moon, saggy son has aqua rising and cappy moon (plus uranus right on AC), so I think, when it all comes down to it, there is a deep understanding between us of our individual motives, and what the one doesn't see, the other two are able to verbalize.

At least, that's how I picture things in my little world...LOL

I will try that with little notes!

posted November 28, 2004 04:23 PM              

My Aqua Sun/Scorp Moon used to write me notes too. I '*really* loved them.

posted November 28, 2004 08:24 PM            

if they make rules, you follow them. if they tell their kid to do something they're expected to do it.