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Topic: libra and taurus and a lack of depth
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puppyblew
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posted December 01, 2004 01:02 AM
 
for all of those out there that one of the venus ruled signs and have been involved with the other, do you find that the relationship isn't as deep as with other signs not ruled by venus?for example: i'm a taurus and know quite a few libras. i get along with them very well - both males and females. i seem to always get off on the right foot with them. what i have noticed about my relationships with these libras is that sometimes it is definded on a somewhat superficial level. like when you read all of those websites that match two sun signs and for taurus and libra it says "these two signs find the same things aesthetically appealing and are thus compatible." as if picking out painting makes a relationship... well, my libra aunt and cousin always go shopping with me. we cook. it just seems like we talk about clothes and books and boys and other venus ruled things.
it's not like i don't have an emotional relationship with them, but it just seems as though i never want to bring anything too deep up around them - almost like i don't want to upset them or do anything ugly. it just seems that deep emotional matters are easier expressed with another sign, such as cappy or scorpio. is it just me, or is this a trend when venus ruled signs come together. i do have mars in libra and merc. in gemini, but i am a triple earth, so maybe i need more "earthyness" to feel comfortable? IP: Logged |
cazimiphoenix
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posted December 01, 2004 01:08 AM
Taurus is quincunx Libra. They're inconjunct... ie. averting each other... so there isn't an interchange of energy for the same reason that they're both ruled by venus. Can you imagine if Aries was the opposite sign of Scorpio as they're both ruled by mars traditionally? It's kinda like avoiding incest or calamities in general.I haven't felt that lack of depth because my Scorpio moon opposes Taurus and there's definitely an interplay of deep emotions on both ends despite my being a Libra. IP: Logged |
cazimiphoenix
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posted December 01, 2004 01:22 AM
Also.Where's your moon? Is it also in aversion to Libra? Taurus, Pisces, Virgo, Scorpio?? IP: Logged |
puppyblew
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posted December 01, 2004 02:05 AM
my moon is in virgo.i have heard that libra and taurus generally are not "fated" as such, but meet through mutual friends, ect. and sort of "need" to be introduced. then again i have heard that they are karmicly linked.... so... i do have venus at 29 pisces, so won't i sort of have an aries opposition to libra?
or wouldn't it be that strong?
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Scorpio_Rising
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posted December 01, 2004 02:34 AM
i'm a libra with a scp. asc. and a cap moon. and i know that ive dated a taurus and a scp and had many sexual enconters with cappies. heres my take on this. of all the memories that ive had in the last 22 yrs. of my life the affairs with the scp. and taurus are the most emotional i remeber those as the time i was the happiest. even though thinking about them makes me sad b/c if i could have either one of them back i would no matter who i would be dating let say even britney spears. i would dump her for these 2 females. now as for the cappies those are mainly the lust relationships i didnt have deep emotional feelings for them even tho the sex was great and i would prob do it again i prefer the scp and taurus. now ive been told that the cappy woman is the one who u will never forget about you may even throw the phone number away but somehow it always seems to come back to you whatever the circumstances its more of an obsession.
now thats not everybody thats just my take on it.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted December 01, 2004 03:33 AM
Hello... I just wanted to pop in and say...
I'm a Libra woman that's been with the same Taurus man for almost 10 years now. Our relationship is far from superficial.
I don't think Taurus or Libras are lacking depth by any means. Maybe the problem with bringing up deep, emotional topics with your aunt and cousin lies within yourself. IP: Logged |
passionfruit3000
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posted December 01, 2004 06:10 PM
u are a Taurus and Libra is an air sign. so, you might feel as if your barely skimming the surface with these folks because they relate to others on a more mental level prefering to avoid getting too kissy kissy and emotional. its just not their style. They rather talk about the lattest trends like the news, fashion, the opposite sex and ect.They may come off as superficial at first because they have to "feel" you on an intellectual level first.whereas a Taurus, wants a more personal and direct approach of communication. hope I helped!IP: Logged |
sthenri
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posted December 01, 2004 11:19 PM
The trick is to make sure you do not let your Libra friends chat you up about your interests and make sure they open up about theirs. Air signs have a charming way of getting you to show yourself, without getting to be open. You have to probe a bit, and say I wish you would tell me more about, that subject, really encourage and listen. I just refuse to talk anymore about myself until I get a conversation, then the flood begins. Libras are usually concerned about health matters. Working out, eating right, that kind of thing, you'd be surprised at how important this is, on a deep level Libras feel they need to work harder on themselves, find the good inside. It's always a battle, and they need support that way. Natasha
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moonbaby
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posted December 02, 2004 05:31 AM
_____________________________________________it's not like i don't have an emotional relationship with them, but it just seems as though i never want to bring anything too deep up around them - almost like i don't want to upset them or do anything ugly.
_____________________________________________ im totally with you on that one puppyblew...
it was like that with my libra ex...i just didnt want to tell how I was feeling...becos i felt i couldnt communicate my feelings lightly and beautifully like he could; i always sound intense even when I dont intend to be... and it just seemed he lived in this bubble of beauty, peace and love that I didnt wanna pop i did try and speak about it...he asked what was I trying to protect him from i have a couple of close libra friends...they can get real dramatic and turn the intensity of a situation up a notch...though they are a cancer mooner girl and aries mooner guy... ...dramatic as they come!! IP: Logged |
Kat Smeow
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posted December 02, 2004 03:19 PM
Ah yes, the Taurus-Libra thing. I've been trying to figure this out, through experience, for about 9 years. I am a Taurus (Virgo moon and Merc in Gemini also Puppy...hmm.)I am legally married to a Libra Sun/Libra Rising. I say legally because I feel closer to certain strangers than I do to this man. If I bring up a topic of depth, for example, religion, politics, even to discuss a movie with depth, it is ignored and he moves on to another topic, like entertainment headlines. He makes no attempt to know me at all. He doesn't even know the color of my eyes. The 3 year marriage has never been consumated. (I am working on getting out of this btw, it just "feels" like I'm repaying a karmic debt of some kind-odd.) Point is, I have had brief affairs in the past that were deeper than this relationship. I'm on a more intimate level (mentally) with his friends than with him. So I do think there is something to this Taurus-Libra thing, maybe it's the combination of the Virgo moon in there? Don't know. I do know that it is totally unsatisfying and too superficial for my Taurus taste. With any relationship, I want to feel something. If this ended tomorrow (crosses fingers) there would be only regret for wasted time, nothing else. Maybe a big sigh of relief about not being so damned invisible anymore to the person who is supposed to like you the most. Hope this helps a little. Kat IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted December 02, 2004 04:52 PM
Quickly, this string reminded me of something a book I have says about the libra male."If Libra was a pool, there would be no deep end." from How to Spot a B*****d by his Star Sign. I'm a Taurus and I've had a few relationships with Libras. Mmmmyeah...it's always a weird one. Like caximiphoenix said we are quincunx/inconjunct each other. I think there is usually a bit of a pull between these signs, but it's just this strange energy. Doesnt mix right. Of course there are exceptions and the whole of both charts must be taken into account. But for myself, it's never been a really comfortable combo (with the men I mean, I seem to be fine with the women). It's like wearing a tight and itchy sweater. Can be warm but not annoying and uncomfortable. We're on very different wavelengths. To me they've always been a bit shallow. Nice people, but I wouldnt describe them as soulful. Fluff fluff air signs. The Libra I dated on and off for a few years was fun, but no one I could spend the rest of my life with. Out of the four Libra men that I have known very well, they have all had major emotional problems. Very emotionally unstable. Anyone notice this? It may have to do with the one's in my age group having Pluto right near their Sun. Or the fact that the Sun in Libra is in it's Fall. Another thing I just remembered is that they were all "8's" according to LG's numerology. Interesting.... IP: Logged |
sthenri
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posted December 02, 2004 05:42 PM
I don't know about the Pluto in Virgo close to Libra, but I have met a few that were stable but very sensitive to rejection.The superficial is designed to keep away hurts, pain, and distress. My Moon in the 8th "likes" that easiness, because it puts away problems for me, But I understand the unconsummated thing, some Libra men can be very funny about talking the talk, but when it comes time for the deed, its' a different story. Sort of like an oil change. I like the talking though, I can keep that going, and sometimes I prefer a reading partner in bed, than an actual live one, when I think of stories with a subtext I think of Libras, when I think of wild sexy stories, I think about Geminis. LIbra is air, touched by Venus, sweet and soft is how this sign likes bedtime, even when it's not tender, it doesn't feel "right". Tenderness is handled differently by different men, Libras are nice combined with water IMO. Natasha IP: Logged |
cazimiphoenix
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posted December 02, 2004 05:59 PM
Hehe... sounds like many of you have miraculously come across "pure" Librans. Puppyblew- Your Virgo moon is also in aversion to Libra... so unless you hook up with a Libran that has a lot of earth... you're really not going to mesh with one. Venus in Pisces is "technically" still in Pisces... another sign in aversion to Libra... so unless you meet a Libra with their sun VERY near the 29th degree... that venus will not help you connect. Same case with Kat Smeow... Sounds like you both need a Capricorn to complete the grand earth trine... since BOTH your sun/moon are playing hide-and-seek with Libra. ... and... "If Libra were a human... he'd make sure you don't smack your head into the cement... because you're a Taurus with a tendency to stubbornly keep missing their water (emotions)." Out of curiosity... do both of you ALSO have problems connecting to Aries? 26t- Emotional problems would have to do with hard aspects to their moon sign and venus. If they also have problems expressing their emotions... then mercury is probably in hard aspect to one or the other. Natasha-
Thank you much for alluding to my "niceness"... you got the "subtext" part right.
Not always tender for me... though...
... and I tend to only talk when there's no other means to "touch"...
... how I do love sex in risky places... IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted December 02, 2004 06:07 PM
cazi,I disagree. I do think Pluto has to do with emotions. Especially when it's conjunct the Sun. Explosive! I'm talking about these guys being emotional basket cases. Very intense, not always in a healthy way. That's Pluto. The emotions were expressed - just a bit over the top. One of them, one of my best friends commited suicide. That kind of thing. Very Plutonian to me. I know other chart factors come into play, but I think Pluto plays a major role.  IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted December 02, 2004 06:10 PM
Natasha: quote:
I don't know about the Pluto in Virgo close to Libra, but I have met a few that were stable but very sensitive to rejection
Natasha, In my age group, which was what I was talking about, Pluto is in Libra. I have Pluto in Libra and so do all of my friends. So most of the Libra's I know, have Pluto conjunct Sun, or close to it at least. Very sensitive to rejection. I agree. IP: Logged |
sthenri
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posted December 02, 2004 07:24 PM
My ex had Pluto conjunct Venus, Sun and Mercury, very emotional, most of the time although he hid it well.
He was the tender type but had trouble showing it, so now we are just friends.His temper could be explosive, but his father was not very good at controlling his emotions either, not going to put this on Italians but Italian LIbras with lots of Scorpio are very emotional. Cazi, you sound like an assertive one,
How does that work with Taurus females in your experience? Since we are talking about Taurus/Libra anyway, I might as well feast on your brain, Natasha
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cazimiphoenix
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posted December 02, 2004 09:04 PM
26-
There's nothing to disagree with on your response. Although, your last post did irk me. I at no point said that pluto didn't have anything to do with emotions. I should know since I have pluto conjunct my sun by 1 degree. Pluto's conjunct my venus and saturn also. However, I do not have problems expressing my emotions since my mercury and moon are not afflicted. That's my point. We're chatting it up just fine right now, no? I haven't exploded and haven't attacked your feelings have I? (Yet? hehe)You totally contradicted yourself. If these guys were intense... how could they be fluff fluff? THAT'S what I'm getting at. Classifying all Libras as fluff fluff is astrological prejudice... ha! (I'm laughing right now... so don't think I'm antagonizing you) But on a more sober note... the more astrologically savvy I become... the more I realize that one cannot categorize people astrologically as an alternative to categorizing them socially, racially or economically. Doing so only reflects one's disbelief in the validity of astrology... and only obstructs one's approach toward each human as one unique in their individuality. (That's my Aqua influence talking) I hope I made it clear that I labeled myself as a schmuck when I wrote the whole symbolic Libra moon spiel... because I'm in a rather similar boat... my experience with Libra moons is similar to your initially posted experience with Libra suns. But I know for certain that not every Libra moon fits that stereotype. Sadly, it's nearly always the case that when one dramatizes a story, one is required to implement a conflict in order to create a storyline and pass it off as entertainment. That's what I did... please, no offense to Libra moons anywhere reading my prior metaphor-play posts. As I said, I was playing the dancing monkey. So how's this for not talking about fashion and trends my fellow lazy self-indulgent artistic venusians? sthenri- THIS is how it works. And I greatly adore how you don't blankly generalize... IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted December 02, 2004 09:30 PM
Hi cazmi,There is nothing to disagree with on either of our posts. They are both just points of view. We all see things differently, neither are right or wrong. I guess I took your last post wrong when you said, " 26t- Emotional problems would have to do with hard aspects to their moon sign and venus." It seemed to me you were saying that they only have to do with those planets, so your post irked me too. LOL!  Yes, I contradicted myself. I do that alot. Life is full of contradictions. Alot of Libras I know are 'fluff fluff' air signs. Then there are the others, the Plutonian kind that I've met. So to be clear, some were intense, most were not. For the most part, I dont find Libras in general to be intense. But of course there are some. You shouldnt catagorize on sun sign alone. But right now am. We do that sometimes here. I obviously know you can't put people into catagories like that - that's too simple and very unreliable. But for the topic of the thread, I did. I've been studying astrology for a long, long time and usually dont simplify things that much. But I decided to chime in here and knew others were going to have something to say about it.  But dont worry hon, I know there is much more to it than that. And every sun sign contradicts the things they are "supposed to be" all the time. We are much more than our astrological signs and planetary placements. So, no offense Libra Suns. Your cool....little fluffy, but cool. Kidding people, kidding!!
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cazimiphoenix
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posted December 02, 2004 09:44 PM
26. Cool cool bull.However, there is some **** that's right and some that's wrong... I don't tolerate man's inhumanity towards man... and I will not defend it otherwise. What's with the... "They are both just points of view. We all see things differently, neither are right or wrong." ??? It sounds like you're reading me my miranda rights... or is it just the way I'm seeing it? HA!
Seriously though, did you read that in a book somewhere as a means to pacify a Libran bent on arguing your perspective? Best way to get people interested and participating is to stir up some controversy... agree about that. Can't say it's always right though... hehe. Oh, by the way, I just remembered that my "miranda rights" approach to communicating with a Taurus is through her skin. Hmm... maybe that's why the last brutal physical fight I was in was with a Taurus guy. I didn't give him a massage when he acted up... I simply decked him. How's that for a contradiction? IP: Logged |
Kat Smeow
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posted December 02, 2004 09:55 PM
So the deeper I dig, the more tangled the web between the Libra and I becomes. His moon is Pisces, his Venus in Virgo (sun and rising both Libra). Me: Taurus Sun, Virgo Moon, Libra Rising (hmm), and Venus in Taurus. (yes I know, Venus is predominant in my life.) This man seems not to feel anything, like nothing matters to him. He pays no attention to anything that doesn't interest him. I once threw a handful of change at him to get his attention. (Next time, I'm going for the roll of quarters  ) He won't even sit on the same couch as me. But he'll sit there for hours on end with the dog. (The dog is an Aries, hmmm)Isn't it strange, I have never met a Cappy guy. As for myself and Aries, never had a relationship with one. I have been in a few heated debates with them however, male,female and canine (see Aries dog, above). Virgo men seems to be attracted to me more than the rest. But the ones that melt my knees are Scorpios, been with 2 in my life, and I can still feel their penetrating gaze and intense aura. (One of them recently told me that anytime I wanted to get together..*ahem*...that would be fine with him, no matter who he is with, or I am with at the time. I am resisting temptation. It's not what I want.) Now here's a laugh for all of you: this Venusian girl (aka me) has decided that a romantic, intimate relationship just isn't meant to be in this life. Yep, giving up. Me and my cats will be just fine, thanks. Kat IP: Logged |
Kat Smeow
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posted December 02, 2004 10:00 PM
P.S. btw Cazi, reading your last post, just thought I'd mention that I'm a Taurean massage therapist. And boy could I use one about now. The therapist never gets a massage. *sigh*IP: Logged |
cazimiphoenix
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posted December 02, 2004 10:04 PM
That's funny. One of my ex's mom complained about the same thing. She also loved cats.I do admit it's slightly intimidating trying to massage a professional masseuse... I also don't think my ex would've been all that cool with me giving her mom a full-body massage. Yeah, yeah... it doesn't have to be erotic... but with so much venus interaction on both ends... how could it not be? Or is it just my pluto? IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted December 02, 2004 10:17 PM
Hi cazi,Actually I did read it in a book, many books to be exact. But most importantly I've experienced it, I dont believe everything I read, I just thought everyone knew that one. I'm not looking for an argument about men and inhumanity here either. quote:
It sounds like you're reading me my miranda rights... or is it just the way I'm seeing it? HA!
Um, yes. That's just the way you are seeing it. LOL. That is one of my beliefs. It would be impossible to explain it all here. It goes back through years of living, searching, reading, knowing. It's not meant to be threatening to you in any way. My beliefs will be different than some others. That is life. Once again neither are right or wrong. Sorry you dont understand this. Too much to explain here, and I dont think you want to know anyway. You have your beliefs and I dont ever want to try and change anyone's beliefs. Especially when they are only looking for and arguement. You can punch me if you'd like. LOL And yes, one way to communicate with a Taurean female is through her skin.
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26taurus
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posted December 02, 2004 10:19 PM
my favorite quote.......------------------
"We don't see things as they are...we see things as we are".
-Anais Nin IP: Logged |
cazimiphoenix
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posted December 02, 2004 10:56 PM
Whoah?Again... I have got to start using smilies... once I figure it out... my next post will consist of nothing more than smilies intermixed with song lyrics. I always loved the way AJ did that. Looking for an argument? huh? I do agree... that's where it gets sketchy... beliefs and morals... and everybody has them. That's where I draw the line as well... I don't argue belief systems... since I find that would be like chipping away at a person's life-core and foundation. Not cool. I don't understand your reaction... perhaps we're not seeing eye-to-eye (INCONJUNCT!? hehe).
I simply went off on a tangent of declaring, perhaps, my only moral. My moon and rising are fixed. Who could possibly begin to unravel and justify their own morals on a fast-paced message board? I don't expect you to... and it's not because I'm not interested... wait a minute, this is sounding very familiar... HEY STHENRI! This is how it has worked in the past with other Taurean females as well... (I am NOT saying that you, 26, are overtly doing this.) ... my experience with other Taureans has been that they accuse me of looking to argue their beliefs because I'm genuinely not interested in "understanding" their own hard-set morals... whereupon I say, "of course I'm interested" and truly am and usually agree with them, love their fixed quality, meet with them regularly... huggy-huggy-kissy-kissy-slippy-slippy... as the only means to adequately communicate... then, next thing I know, I have a possessive Taurus girlfriend... whom I can't shake off. Why would I want to shake one off you might ask? Well, the great "feeling" with her dwindled off rapidly because at my core... I'm still a Libra... and arguments and intellectual discussions turn me on!!! And how did I not know she became my committed girlfriend? Because we never TALKED about it! AAAAH! hahaha! Back full-circle. Time for another thread. But thank you... we might have unlocked the problem! Taureans aren't known for arguing verbally... and I guess that's the first step into a Libra's heart! Funny how stereotypes come off so blatantly real sometimes. Cookbook astrology is so delicious sometimes. I don't desire punching you 26 ... don't really punch guys either... only when they charge at me. I love Anais Nin... IP: Logged | |
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