posted January 14, 2005 07:31 PM              

Please know that things will get better. Try to look at the bigger picture. You are in a time where many lessons are being thrown your way. It really is your choice on how to deal with them. Dont let yourself slide too down the downward spiral. I wish I had some magic words. Bright White Light is coming your way. I hope you feel better soon.

posted January 14, 2005 09:52 PM              

Grief is a complex thing and there is no right or wrong way to handle it. You just have to listen to yourself and go with it. Sometimes, like BlueRoamer says putting pressure on yourself to not feel the depression can actually make it worse. Bend with pressure dont resist or you may break (think of trees in the wind). Go with it, feel it deeply, talk about it (on here is a great place because you are relatively anonymous) talk with family and friends, be real, this is what being alive is about - we all hurt deeply sometimes.

I know what it is like to watch the night. I suffered depression myself for about 18 months after a relatinship ended very badly for me. I also know the awful pain of losing someone dear. These words alone do not make your pain any easier to bear but go easy on yourself and allow yourself time and a release for your feelings.

Try to look after yourself too - I know this is going to sound really corny but do a little exercise everyday. It wont make it all alright but it will keep you going and stop you from sinking into a depression.

It will take time but these cuts that we feel in life just make us stronger. And remember that you always, always have your loved ones in your heart and they are only a thought away and you will always have that.

With love

posted January 14, 2005 10:20 PM              

if i'm not wrong u r virgo. for gemini, virgo, sag and pisces things are hard for a few more years unless natal planets rescue you. its pluto in sag squaring virgo makign trouble. one of the bad effects of plutos transist is that the 4 signs above mentioned will have to deal with death either literally or in some other way (like death of old method of thinking). when literally its often death of self or immediately family members. depression is also pluto's control over us. but there is some logic behiind it all. all planets have good and bad effects. pluto offers power (of knowledge, wealth, spiritual thinking etc...) to an individual in the end, eventually. in return it keeps u under depression of sorrow to experience the negatives of life. remember that all great men and women who had some king of power given to them by some eternal entity were in depression first...
1. abe lincoln (power of inspiration) was in depression.
2. churchill (power of optimism ) was in depression.
3. einstein (power of thinking) was in depression.
4. arjuna from mahabharat.
and so on...

and so ru and i. that simply means we should look forward for some kind of personal power in the end of it whether small or big but enough to sustain the needs of our individual lives. some kind of personal enhancement.

posted January 15, 2005 12:48 AM              

Here is my chart:

Sun Virgo 29°39'04 7th/8th House direct
Sun is technically near the end of house 7 and is interpreted in house 8.

Moon Leo 28°47'51 7th House direct

Mercury Virgo 25°41'43 7th House direct

Venus Scorpio 10°37'02 9th House direct

Mars Scorpio 22°03'58 9th House direct

Jupiter Cancer 00°08'53 5th House direct

Saturn Pisces 12°36'24 1st House retrograde

Uranus Virgo 16°09'21 7th House direct

Neptune Scorpio 18°01'13 9th House direct

Pluto Virgo 16°35'40 7th House direct

Chiron Pisces 19°47'15 1st House retrograde

True Node Gemini 07°13'20 4th House retrograde

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House positions (Placidus)

Ascendant Aquarius 16°26'11

2nd House Pisces 29°55'38

3rd House Taurus 05°17'02

Imum Coeli Gemini 02°02'20

5th House Gemini 24°47'22

6th House Cancer 17°48'28

Descendant Leo 16°26'11

8th House Virgo 29°55'38

9th House Scorpio 05°17'02

Medium Coeli Sagittarius 02°02'20

11th House Sagittarius 24°47'22

posted January 15, 2005 02:11 AM              

read this clear and 'unfortunate' logic...
pluto = death.
10th house = father.

posted January 15, 2005 01:29 PM            

Iīm a Virgo like you... I think Archer is very right... Itīs Pluto messing things up... It squares my Sun at the present moment and conjuncts my Ascendant, Moon and Neptune... I suppose being in my 1st house Iīm attending to my own death... And itīs awful... Thatīs exactly what is happening...

Hmmm... Letīs have a look... Pluto is squaring your natal Chiron... So itīs putting his finger in the wound... It must hurt like hell... He is awakening old fears, tortuting you with some endemic pain rooted in what you are, pulling your scars... Itīs cleaning up time... Face it and be hopeful... Because he can heal you once and for all...

Also, there is a semisextile with your natal Mars... So your enthusiasm and energy are going to be affected...

And yes, itīs squaring your Mercury in the 7th house... Maybe thatīs why itīs so hard for you to communicate with this guy... Maybe Pluto is pushing you to change the way you communicate and express your love...

This process started for me several years ago... My big time has come now but yours is yet to come...

When Pluto moves forward 7š and around that time (towards 2007 – 2008), it will square your Sun (like itīs squaring mine now...) so expect life changing events... You will put your life on the scales and reassess it... Pluto will attack your life force, the essence of what you are... Pluto will oppose your natal Jupiter, so be ready to retrieve and hide from the world... try to do one thing at a time and be careful... good luck may not be on your side...But it also will trine your Moon, so there will be beneficial changes, smoother if you like, regarding your emotions and feelings... You may learn to express better the way you feel or your love for others...

That sinking feeling... Can you feel the silence, the darkness around you? So cold, so empty... You are in the underworld, the kingdom of Pluto... Donīt be afraid...
Trouble is Pluto is so slow that this bad patch may well last long... Donīt you worry... Just relax... I have decided not to resist the change... If you do, Pluto will enforce it and it will be even worse... Itīs time of retrieval... Donīt ask too much of yourself... Itīs working for me...

posted January 15, 2005 11:01 PM              

Dear Sassygrrrl. I am sorry for your losses and only time will heal those wounds.

I have a couple of Virgo's in my life who also feel overwhelmed from time to time. They tend to let things bottle up and then lump all of their problems into one big bundle. By this stage, they feel too bogged down to be able to do anything about it.

I hope I don't sound as though I am trivialising your situation, because I don't know how you really feel and it is not my place to comment on your life. However, I know that it has helped my Virgoan friends to list what it is that is bothering them. Write it down on paper, in a column. One under the other. Then, on the other side of the paper, write down what you can do about it. Tackle only one problem at a time and recognise that they are individual items, not one big scary thing, all lumped together.

The magic in this is realising that we cannot control everything in our life. There will be things that you list that you are not able to do anything about. So, sometimes it is simply a matter of accepting or acknowledging this, before you are able to let it go. And then, as you cross that item off your list, it gets smaller and smaller.

You have taken the first step by expressing your concerns in a nurturing and heart-warming environment.

I can't promise that things will getter better for you but I can promise that you can change your perception. Please know that you have love and light from all of us here and we will try to help and support you, where-ever we can.

with love

posted January 16, 2005 09:02 AM            

Big changes have been and will come in the following years, so unlike other people who has a “big time” lasting a couple of years now and again , yours is much longer and involves a more comprenhensive change... Your life is likely to have been upside-down for a while... All facets in your life have been are will be hit, as all your natal planets are being hit...

Letīs see... Can you recall major events starting to happen around 1999? Did you start sinking then? By then, Pluto was 9š Sagittarius... It first hit Chiron opposing it... So he opened your wounds... Tearing apart the scared soul tissue of never healed wounds, those you were born with... Check on the position of Chiron to find out which ones they are... Chiron in Taurus – 8th house... I have Chiron in Taurus and for me it means never being able to feel full... Itīs hard for me to appreciate what I have... I feel neglected emotionally (Do you remember this thread? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004117.html ) In the 8th house could mean that you fear losing what you have... Your wound is death... Losing your loved ones, your life, your posessions... Pluto hit you in his own house and he wants to change that... Probably he wants you to learn that sometimes losing is the only way to gain.

A few degrees later, Pluto hit your natal Uranus... Chaos was on the way... Your life must have been upside down... Did you start acting in a rebelious, difficult and uncharacteristic manner?Did you feel extremely fed up and claustrophobic?

Then it hit your Sun, your life force, what you are down to the root... During a period, Pluto was conjunting your natal Sun and Uranus plus opposing your Chiron... This must have been the most disorientaing and painful (around 1999- beginning of 2000).

Straight away, it hit your Moon... Your emotions, what you need to be happy change... You feel you are dying inside... I have that placing right now and you feel (your Moon there) you are dead.

From 1999 (maybe a bit before) to 2003 Pluto conjuncted Uranus, the Sun and the Moon at the same time... Scary or what!!!

Now Uranus is out of the equation so you may feel less rebelious... You may have gone into a more peaceful and depressive sinking... Because now, Pluto is also conjuncting your natal Jupiter... so good luck and possitive energy are recessing, retrieving from you...

It will soon enter your 4th house... Your roots... Your conception of who you are may change... Changes may involve your mum (or dad), you may start to see one of you parents under a different light afterwards...

Towards 2007- 2008, it will hit Neptune (your dreams) and then Mercury (the way you communicate)... Your dreams will be reborn, your old ones (the ones you have now) will die to give way to the new ones... You may feel a communication bloackage, being unable to express how you feel...

In that period, it will square your Ascendant so the way you appear to others, your ego, maybe you appearance will change...

But breathe... After that, when Pluto enters Capricorn you will be safe... You will be a complete new person... Stronger... Much happier and brighter... Pluto would have taught you his lesson, a lesson you will learn to appereciate and never forget...

It started attacking your fear of death (opening your wound) to show you during the process what “death” is, to show you the wonderful result of rebirth yet to come. You may understand and stop fearing it at the end, and then you wound will be healed.

posted January 16, 2005 11:39 AM              

first thing, what is bfff?

now, in 1999 i had a tremendous positive change in me which made me score excellent in 10th grade (1998-1999). but that was also the year of a defeat at the hands of someone in my immediate surronding (pluto in 3rd house). it was also a year when i felt imcomplete of myself and wanted a better personality of my self.

"A few degrees later, Pluto hit your natal Uranus... Chaos was on the way... Your life must have been upside down... Did you start acting in a rebelious, difficult and uncharacteristic manner?Did you feel extremely fed up and claustrophobic?"
yes exactly! haos, confusion and finally being fed up of. thanks to whom? MOM!
"Then it hit your Sun, your life force, what you are down to the root... During a period, Pluto was conjunting your natal Sun and Uranus plus opposing your Chiron... This must have been the most disorientaing and painful (around 1999- beginning of 2000)."
yes.
thats also when i first thought i want to become a fighter pilot! (big dreams lack of discipline)
"From 1999 (maybe a bit before) to 2003 Pluto conjuncted Uranus, the Sun and the Moon at the same time... Scary or what!!!"
my 12th grade (2001) went really bad. i got admission in engineering on giving donation. then, things went fine for a couple of months and then i wanted to leave studies behind desperately. maybe thats cause pluto opposed chirn in 9th house of higher studies. what came next was the worst phase of my life...
2002 i left engineering. i sat at ome from july 2002 to aug 2003. my mind set was destroyed thanks to my b***hing leo mom (with no offence to leos). my aries dad wouldn't understand either. they both eventually turned hostile. in aug 2003 i joined a science course but i left it the same year because i didn't like the course. from nov 2003 to jan 2004 i was at home again. around this time pluto was conjuncting my natal jupi which is near the 4th house. luck came, i was taken to a pshciatrist and also the home (4th house) condition (with mom) improved. in jan 2004 i got a job. but again i didn't do it for more than 1and a half month. after that something in me said ' get back to engineering again'. i told this to my dad and he agreed to take chance. he payed a donation again and got me admission in a nearby college which im currently in. from tomorrow starts the 2nd semester but i feel like not studying! i dunno what turbulence is going on.
ur not far of from my actualy experience but instead ur pretty near it. thaks for that incredible reply.

posted January 16, 2005 06:45 PM            

Sometimes I forget those exclamations are not international...

Iīm glad I wasnīt far off... Good luck with your course! Maybe with Pluto entering the 4th house you will come to an understanding with your mom...

posted January 18, 2005 03:08 PM              

Steelrose ~ Thanks for your astrology insight. It was very enlightening!
...Now if only Pluto will take a loooong vacation somewhere (and take Saturn with him ) then I'll truly be a happy camper. lol

...And thanks guys for all your replies.
{{{HUGE HUG}}} Even in my lowest moments, you guys make me feel less alone. And I'm glad that I have a place where I can openly share my deepest feelings and not be afraid to open up, even when I'm feeling kind of foolish.

posted February 24, 2005 01:12 PM              

Take heart, after the storm of Pluto comes peace and harmony again, and new benefits,
Sassy you sound like you have of transits in water signs and water houses,
remember it's up to you to control how deep you let others affect you, don't rip your heart out over a man, don't ever give up your heart when you are feeling this low.
And don't hate yourself or get down on how horrible a person you are, that will make you more depressed.

If you look at your progressed chart, I bet you have a lot of watery influences making you feel self critical.