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dorkus_malorkus
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posted February 01, 2005 06:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have noticed that somehow I always end up in the company of people with heavy Scorp influences. My mom is a Scorp, my best friend has Scorp moon I'm pretty sure, my ex bf has Scorp moon, another close friend of mine has Scorp asc. I've noticed Scorps (not just Scorp sun) are very protective, and loyal. But with all of these people, I can honestly say it's like walking on eggshells because they all are extremely emotional. However, there is nothing so exhilerating than the love of a Scorpio! Could it be maybe I have a lesson to learn? Or am I just naturally attracted to them because of their strength and loyalty?

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Atlantic Myst
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posted February 01, 2005 09:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That could be. Just watch out with the men.

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Archer
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posted February 01, 2005 11:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lesons to learn? loko at ur saturn placement.

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posted February 01, 2005 11:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah atlantic mist is right. be careful of the scorpio men, as if you are treading on eggshells. just dont try to make any "funny" jokes that seem like it is on their expense./

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 02, 2005 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say, "take off the army boots", but I know how eggshells can hurt bare feet.


He Wishes For the Cloths of Heaven

HAD I the heavens’ embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:

But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

- W.B. Yeats


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maya-v
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posted February 02, 2005 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey dorkus - cute name for a very pretty girl - check out this link, it has loads of input on Plutonians, especially of the male variety.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004007.html

Hey Steve - something for the poet in your soul ...

Pluto is your shadow, that which you have not yet brought into the light. It is what you are compelled to forget, what you bury, what you refuse to see or feel. When you deny a part of your psyche to yourself, it becomes the devil to you. And you project it out onto others whom you then hate, despise and fear. But it is really the part of your humanity that you cannot let yourself have, for in order to embrace it, whom you know yourself to be would have to die. Yet this is an experience that you have to have, for otherwise your life is wrapped around it like a man wrapped in terror around his doom. If you do not let yourself have your primal fears -- the experiences you have lived through but could not feel, the nightmares that at one time you and you alone in the universe inhabited but could not be present for -- then there will be other things in life that you cannot receive or surrender to, that you will be unable to feel, to see, or to live. This is your shadow.

In the garden of paradise, so it is said, a rose bush once bloomed beneath the tree of knowledge. And within that plant’s first rose, a bird was born. A beauteous and miraculous creature, his song and plumage ever delighted Adam and Eve. However, when they were driven from the garden by the cherub’s flaming sword, an errant spark fell upon the bird’s nest and destroyed him. Yet from a single red egg in the nest a new, solitary Phoenix bird arose. The story goes on to say that the Phoenix now lives in Arabia, and that every hundred years he burns to death in his nest, and that each time a new Phoenix, the only one in the world, rises anew from the single red egg.

You are that Phoenix bird, and your immolation once a century is both your physical death and the catharses you embrace that help you become larger, to embrace more of your humanity and thus more of humanity - before you die. Pluto teaches us to enter our shadow, to descend into hell, to learn how to die in order to be reborn.


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posted February 02, 2005 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maya,

Thanx for that. Some interesting thoughts.

I'd like to protest, however, the suggestion that i hate or despise anyone. Perhaps this is exactly the part of myself which I refuse to admit into the light, but, I am pretty much distinguished by my ability to sympathize with others indiscriminantly. For better or worse. I'm like Dostoevsky's unfortunately named "Idiot", Prince Myshkin.
I'm The Fool in the Major Arcana.

I wrote a poem once, ostensibly, about Eva Braun; you know, Hitler's girlfriend. I knew nothing about her, as an individual. Evidently, she was as much of a b--- as one has any right to expect her to be, but I just imagined her as a morally wounded bird. As human.


SHE LOVES DEEPLY

SHE DREAMS IN HER SLEEP

AND WHEN SHE CRIES

HER CHEEKS GET WET


Thats the whole poem. It reminds me of something Dostoevsky said, about how the more he loved individuals, the less he loved humanity, but, and the more he loved humanity, the less he could love individuals.

Speaking of the shadow, that shadow squares my Ascendant from the 9th house. Maybe it makes me see myself as more or less spiritual than I really am. Maybe I can't see myself much at all. Not sure yet.

thanx for the words again,
take care,
Steve


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and live incidentally."
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maya-v
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posted February 02, 2005 01:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the most romantic concept in mythology is the Phoenix - it encompasses the twin ideas of self-annihilation and creative regeneration. And from my experience of Pluto-ruled individuals, these two are the philosophies they devote themselves to exploring with a scorching passion for most of their living years.

I never intended to imply you carry hatred for any idea or person. I was just making an observation of how sometimes you (or anyone) seem to romanticize the world around you, not so much to a rose tinted wonderland but a land of grand ideals served with a fevered intensity. And when the curtain falls and all that is left is very mundane beliefs that need relentless, thankless effort just to stay alive – the myth breaks and your passion is turned to the hatred of disenchantment.

Its that wildly flaming, yet very passive torch of idealism that makes remarkable women like Frau Braun stay with misguided men, that hope that somehow, underneath the debris, there is still the pulse of a dreamer, though barely alive.

That romanticism can paint humanity as a Greek Goddess on a pedestal, so easy to worship and so hard to achieve. Im sorry, but Im a mere mortal, happy to tread the waters of life as they flow to me, forsaking the bigger dreams for the joy and sometimes intense pain of living in this flawed world full of misfits. I think that is the first step towards self-realization, which is ultimately the door towards spirituality. For when you are the most human – when you stand bare naked and ugly in front of the mirror – with all your faults and short-comings exposed, you are the closest to holiness.

And yes, Myshkin was naive and sometimes a dreamer - but when has not a dreamer been made into a fool by the world? For they fear what they dont know and they mock what they fear the most. And to quote another cliche - what goes around comes around. So your indiscriminate sympathy for all forms of life may very well your true self peeking out in an unguarded moment, cherishing the very humanity that has so often, so badly let you down.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 02, 2005 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've lived much of my life in a bubble.
There's a line from a Nick Cave song, "[I remembered] friends who had died of exposure, and I remembered other ones, who had died from the lack of it." I want to burst my bubble, but I'm afraid I'd choke on the fresh air, like a fish out of water.(But, then, a fish is not a phoenix.)

So, I suppose I've been largely protected from having to encounter that disillusionment. I've flirted with it, like I've flirted with suicide. I don't know if what I truly need - to say nothing of my temporal wants - is to be disillusioned, or to have my "illusions" restored.

I've been thinking a lot about Neptune, and eastern philosophy, the past few days. Neptune is in the process of squaring my sun, venus, and uranus. Venus is getting the brunt of it right now. Poor, poor, lucky venus.

So, Neptune, like everything else, is what it is, regardless of how it appears. But, how it appears is also how it is. If you are willing to pay the piper when the time comes, then there is nothing illusory about the heaven it promises. Scorpios are prepared to make that leap - with their eyes closed, if need be. I try to close my eyes, to make the leap, but I can see the abyss reflected even more clearly on the skins of my eyelids.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"I want to love first,
and live incidentally."
- Zelda Fitzgerald

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posted February 02, 2005 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Suicide's Song
by Rainer Maria Rilke

So its back once more
back up the slope
why do they always ruin my rope
with their cuts?

I felt so ready the other day
had a real foretaste of eternity in my guts

Spoonfeeding me yet another sip
from lifes cup
I dont wont it,
wont take any more of it,
let me throw up.

Life is medium-rare and good I see
And the world full of soup and bread
but it wont pass into the blood for me
just goes to my head
It makes me sick
though others it feeds
do see that i must deny it
for a thousand years from now, at least,
I'm keeping a diet.


"Every angel is terrifying." - Rilke

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maya-v
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posted February 02, 2005 03:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are you so afraid of - is there something so fragile in your life that you are scared to lose it? Then, if it is that delicate, is it really worth keeping?

I have discovered, to my great joy, that life is self-sustaining. Its strong, its tenacious and no matter how much we try to smote it with our fatalistic prophecies, it finds a way to bloom and flourish, to fight back with all the fragile promise of a better tomorrow. And the beauty it promises shines through and you can hear the echoes of its silvery bells in the peals of a child's laughter or the fragrance of the moist earth after the first rain ...
you can experience the passion of its delicate flame in the fluttering of a buttefly's wings, as it braves the miles and the elements to find its way back home ... how can you protect something that is more powerful, more ageless than you?

How can death ever be scary, how can the vision of regeneration be so terrifying, when life awaits on the other side, its arms wide open and its crazy pace ready to absorb you the very instance you think you are rescued by the oblivion of death?

No, I dont think its death that scares you. I think its the prospect of saying goodbye to the life and the pathetic world you love so much you are scared to admit it!

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posted February 02, 2005 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, Maya, there IS nothing to fear but FEAR itself. Would that my enemy might have a face. I stike only to find it is my own.

It is easy to paint a pretty picture of the world, but its hard to live in a picture. Its easy to ask "what is there to fear", when you dont know; when you don;t fear.

I dont want to sit here picking apart all your lovely sentiments. Evidently, it just makes me look "pathetic".

But, you seem to think its about choice, and I seem to think its about destiny. You seem to suggest that evolution is predominantly creative, I think its purely organic.

Wherever the twain shall meet, I'm sure the truth is there.

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maya-v
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posted February 03, 2005 09:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, please the 'lovely' sentiments were put forward merely for the favor of your input, and as far as seeing the world as a perfectly beautiful place painted in all shades of black and white - I am a creature of the twilight, I see the world as it truly is, in all its fallacies and glory and still confess to love it - not the fluff, but the reality of it. The grey appeals to me, its silvery light painting all creatures and ideas in a heavenly glow - for who are gods but mere mortals, trying so hard to attain the illusion of eternity?

And the truth is nothing but creation - the constant evolution of the dead into the living, the iniciation of the other world into this one. And yes, it might seem to be self-sustaining, but every sunrise brings with it the choice of being somewhere else, of not waking up and facing the furies. The mere writing of the words, your reaction to mine is nothing but the inception of emotion, of ideas in your soul and then the birth of the need to express them and communicate them. Were it not your choice, you would not draw your next breath. Yes, it is abt choice, abt conscious regeneration and evolution in the face of automated destruction. Look at the odds, if it werent for sheer Free Will, the world and its strange juxtaposition of impossible supposed coincidences would cease to exist!

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pixelpixie
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posted February 03, 2005 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus woman/Scorpio man, discusing the finer points of living?
Gawd!! Get a room!!!
j/k

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maya-v
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posted February 03, 2005 09:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol (psst pix, Im trying to woo a very charming and intriguing visitor, so dont mind the heavy words .... I am and always will be yours!!!)

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posted February 03, 2005 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I fear, maya, that, if I enter into this debate, I will give you the impression that my mind is made up, which it is not.

First off, you used the word "pathetic" in reference to me and my life. I need you to see that this is not just an instance of me being a thin-skinned Scorpio. I feel things. It's what I do. When I read the word "pathetic", I FEEL that word. And a word like that, i feel it in the guts of my soul. That's how i know what it means.

I'm not saying you should censor yourself with me. But, I know that, if you could only feel the palpable self-disgust that I feel, when I come upon such a word directed at myself, i know you would instinctively think to find another word.

But, more important even than the discomfort occassioned by my immediate, emotional response to such a word, are the psychological effects. I dont know about you, but, I've found that negativity does not motivate me. On the contrary, it appeals to my instinct for self-destruction.


some thoughts for your consideration:


The expectation that every neurotic phenomenon can be cured may, I suspect, be derived from the layman's belief that neuroses are something quite unnecessary which have no right whatever to exist. Whereas in fact they are severe, constitutionally fixed illnesses, which rarely restrict themselves to only a few attacks but persist as a rule over long periods throughout life. - Sigmund Freud

Anyone can criticize. It takes a true believer to be compassionate. No greater burden can be borne by an individual than to know no one cares or understands. - Arthur H. Stainback

It is the nature of the artist to mind excessively what is said about him. Literature is strewn with the wreckage of men who have minded beyond reason the opinions of others. - Virginia Woolfe

It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore, and to see ships tossed upon the sea: a pleasure to stand in the window of a castle, and to see a battle and the adventures thereof below. - Francis Bacon

There are people who can do all fine and heroic things but one: keep from telling their happiness to the unhappy. - Mark Twain

Optimism is cruel. - Arthur Schopenhauer

With the joyous and the free,
thou wilt scoff at pain.
Spirit false! that hast forgot
all but those who need thee not.
- Percy Bysshe Shelley


I will repond on the topic of free will elsewhere.

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"I want to love first,
and live incidentally."
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maya-v
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posted February 03, 2005 01:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Steve,

I never used the word 'pathetic' to refer to you, your life or anything held close by you. I would never be soo boorish as to do that. That was just a generalisation of how the world sometimes seems to be - the exterior of you and your dreams can be such a let-down. It does not in any way refer to you, and would NEVER be meant to denigrate anything abt someone as profound and adorable as you ...

Inspite of the impression my sometimes less thought over words might convey, I am actually quite smitten by you and your confused yet passionate musings endear you all the more. But thats besides the point.

True, my Virgo rising sometimes makes me dole out sharp nitpicky barbs that might well be undeserved but I would never do that to someone like you. I am just trying to share a wonderful and sorta abstract idea I have with someone who, after a loooong time, appealed to my intellect and challenged me.

Maya

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posted February 03, 2005 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maya,


It's difficult for me to have faith in the possibility that somebody out there is actually reading my words and is able to get a fairly good bead on me. I tend to think of myself as that blip on your screen - oops, you just missed it.

Maybe, because of your strong earth qualities, you can read these words with more sense than I imagined they could possess, in my watery, only half-imagined imaginings. ((that sounded dumb))

I don't know,... its all Greek to me. I'm afraid I come off all wrong... or maybe i'm afraid I am all wrong.

Your talent for flattery is terrifying.
I beg you to be gentle.

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maya-v
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posted February 03, 2005 03:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Flattery huh? Never been accused of that one before

What is it with you? Why cant you make up yur mind on the blacks and whites in me? For one minute I am the blackest of she-devils, out to injure your rather sensitive heart and the next I am a jester in your court, forced at the risk of my life to sing your praises ...

Im just me, sweety, with a pinch of salt and a lot of spice and not a lot of everything nice

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posted February 03, 2005 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maya -

understand, I recognize how impressionable I am right now in my life.

you speak about people "taking your power",
and you can see the state I am in,
how i have placed my fate in the hands of my sisters, how i am nearly convinced of my powerlessness,... how i cling to consolations.

how i cannot risk believing in them;
how I cannot risk doubting them.

no, i will not make up my mind about you.
on that, you have my word.

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maya-v
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posted February 03, 2005 04:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve - All I can see is the ethereal rainbow your water and air make and how it beautifies the earth everytime your mind takes a turn - you are wonderful, your true power lies in the beauty inside you and the capability to share emotions and love with a deep and soul-rending passion.And no one can take that from you, love.

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posted February 03, 2005 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks,
you know you ain't so bad yourself.

you're very kind and i believe in your sincerity, and it really is like food for my soul. its embarrassing, but im just gratified to think that my words really do have an effect, that someone can relate to them... that they are not as out of outrageously out of context as they seem in this century, in this country....

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maya-v
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posted February 03, 2005 04:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be gratified - I can totally relate to, nderstand and absorb your meaning with all your posts. I dont believe we have met before but I did notice you right away when you told pixie you were still looking for her ...

Would like to wish you good luck with that search and hope she is as much of a Persephone as you deserve

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posted February 03, 2005 04:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww

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