posted February 14, 2005 10:25 PM              

That's the way I feel with Pisces, I really feel it especially when a man has this on the ascendant or venus in pisces, it's like instant love, or attraction, but at the same time I am not ready to give up my identity so I hold back, and when there is confusion there is anger and fear.

Venus in Pisces is attracted to Scorpio types, and those will feel neglected if someone isn't paying attention physically, Pisces does not want to show fear, even acts cocky!

Of course that doesn't work, it's best to be straightforward and define and communicate your needs at all times, rather than be attractive.

You must be very attractive already, the only thing you need to work on is your self awareness, your own needs so you can define them, rather than absorbing the needs of others..

With neptune in my chart, I tend to do this too, I have to work very hard on finding my needs, clarifying them and expressing them, in fact it's my life work, as a visual artist I spend a lot of time with people doing nothing but absorbing and expressing, and then recharging my batteries. I have yet to find a man to live with that everyday, but I am still looking for one who wants the ordinary woman underneath, I am 35 so you can imagine, I have been committed a few times!

Jealousy was always a problem at the start, after the first year it goes away, but then boredom sets in, because men go to bed with a glamorous woman and wake up with me, the Piscean men I meet get really bored with the everyday and stir things up to cause trouble, then leave because things and finances are too emotional and topsy turvy, so now I am focusing on being self aware,

My first boyfriend was a Pisces, and my last had a Pisces rising, and the one before, Venus in Pisces

Pisceans seem to think Sag influenced women want relationships with everyone:> We do, but not romantically, that kind of thinking will make you moody and moodiness scares me
I have that Virgo/Pisces, and Taurus/Scorpio conflict in my chart.

I wanted to add, with Uranus now in Pisces, it's been a crazy year, everyone wants to merge, since Uranus rules sexuality.

posted February 15, 2005 03:20 AM              

Love the reply Natasha - very informative and remarkably accurate.

I have to say being attracted to Scorpio types is quite true for me - there's something about that deep reserve they display, something mysterious perhaps. My GF has Scorp Moon, so I guess that bit is true.

Don't know about being attractive already?? I sort of was in my younger days - but think that has worn away with time now - In-fact I wouldn't even class myself as half attractive now. But thanks for the suggestive compliment! ha ha

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* because men go to bed with a glamorous woman and wake up with me, the Piscean men I meet get really bored with the everyday and stir things up to cause trouble, then leave

I'm fascinated by your statement here. I find this really interesting, partly because it is so different from the way I see things - as a Piscean, I mean. It's the complete opposite, for me. I tend to want to find someone, to still be waking up with in a years time - all the fancy frilly bits aside - a real person. And more to the point - don't want to be stirring things up - just want to be able to relax into a stable and secure relationship with another. !! does tha make sense? I always thought that was my Venus urge - but hey, I could be wrong.

You make a great point regards Sag influence - from the Piscean side. Again my GF has Sag rising and yeah, I find her somewhat all over the place with regards affections to others at times.

And yes Uranus - it's just conjunct my mercury in my sign at the moment and is also conjuncting my moon so yeah am feeling very all over the place emotionally at the moment and mentally.

Where is your mars placed by the way??

posted February 15, 2005 09:28 AM              

Any significant planet square or opposite your Mars, or in transits, is going to place stress on your view of yourself sexually.

It's the same with Venus in women, I have the square to my moon in cancer which rules intimacy in the 8th, so I often find other women in my bed! Not with me of course, that could because of suspicion, or lack of attention due to fear of finding out, but jealousy is always an issue when the man has issues about feeling like a real man.

As soon as I start to see that I get worried, and then maybe I stir things up, by asking questions, men who feel bad about themselves today are usually in someone elses bed tomorrow, and even if I forgive I like to know in advance so I am not shocked. There isn't any real way to tell if someone is going to cheat on you in advance though, the only remedy I have is living with that person so he knows what I am about.

If a man doesn't live with me, he doesn't know me at all, and the entire thing falls apart.

Pisces men do want stability but they want the woman to take of that, and they want her to be glamorous at the same time. That's impossible so eventually we bicker over who does what, Sag doesn't want to do anything either, so it takes some real focus and leaning on other relationships to get things done, such as best friend, co-worker, and those friends bug the poor Pisces to death. I end up having nothing but females around me which just aggravates my jealousy, and plus my Venus trine Mars attracts masculine men, and women who are assertive, scaring the Pisces.

I like Pisces with strong pluto such as in the 7th or 8th, my ex b/f had his ruler in the 8th, that is his ascendant was pisces, ruled by neptune, which was in the 8th. My ruler is in Virgo in the 10th which was the issue, I am open and honest about all my friends, and the 10th is social/working all the time. He hated work.
So I am trying to be more flexible next time, to try and be open to more things, and making sure there are no other men in my life. Oh and that last b/f did cheat with me/on me, pretty much would sleep with anything in a skirt that said yes. He would threaten to leave unless I was with him all the time, since he felt there were other prettier girls making passes at him. He was a real insult to my intelligence, I should be enough for any man.

I too have a fatherly ex, who I looked up to, but I stopped doing that, as I realized I was the one keeping the ideal alive, he was never fatherly.
I am careful to remember intimacy comes withpain and closeness and I don't need a father figure.

Good Luck,
My Sun is also trine Uranus so that is a challenge

Here is my chart
Sun Taurus/6th Opp Neptune and Ascendant
Mars in Sag/1st house opp Mercury in Gemini/7th
Jupiter/Uranus/Pluto conjunct/10th house
All trine The Sun and Midheaven in Virgo
North Node Pisces/4th house Trine Venus
Venus Square Moon
Venus aspects Mercury

Minor aspects are
Saturn and Uranus to Ascendant
Pluto and and Mars to the Moon
Making me a bit touchy somedays!

Men are usually Scorpio rising, or ruler is in the 8th or Scorpio, and Pluto is trine or conjunct Moon or Venus, Mars or Pluto or Uranus or all three are on the 7th, Taurus or Libra on the 8th are attractive BUT this also leads to a playboy.

posted February 15, 2005 09:39 AM              

the best idea if she's got lots of Sag is to praise her for her intelligence, or work, not noticing how she feels or looks, because sometimes she wants to hide that away. Until she needs help from you.

In the end it's about expectations, if you define them and communicate them, everything works.

posted February 15, 2005 09:57 AM              

Really fascinating replies - thankyou

I am really intrigued by your last comments about not complimenting the looks continually - that's really interesting.

From what you've said I tend to get the image that you have had several BF's cheat on you and as you say, you have forgiven them. That is quite interesting because my GF has talked occasionaly about her ex's and they all seemed - from what she has said - to have cheated on her. One or two she knew were doing it but was still staying with them?? Do you think this may have something to do with Sag rising???

Personnaly, I cannot handle stuff like that. It totally knocks me and I find it difficult to understand. If I'm with someone - it is for the purpose of being with them, not going with others too.

posted February 15, 2005 11:02 AM              

Plus these men are good liars, something I am not good at, so yes I leave eventually which is better than cheating myself and hurting someone else.

You can't control what others do, only yourself right? But I assume too much that a man is going to go to a woman for looks if all he does is compliment me on my looks and never even asks me what I do for living!

a man can have sex twice a day in ten minutes and it doesn't mean anything, the women never say anything because they are hoping for a relationship, if a woman does that the man is beating down her door! So it's so easier for a man to keep his secrets, I just prefer to open the box, most women say nothing.

99% of men cheat, most women say nothing, so your g/f is just saying what most women don't have guts to say. I know plenty of women who wait until the bitter end and say what should I do? I leave as soon as I hear...well she looked clean..I didn't know....it's not really sex...what difference does it make to you, you're never around, I was abandoned..whine.
Once the whining starts I leave, I am interested in a Leo right now, we'll see.

Men whine a lot my friend, and women put up with it because they want a baby, or think he is their baby, but men do not put up with that from any woman I know. Still it's not my problem if a man is unhappy with his position in life or if he's alone one night, I can't embrace his heartbreak, it hurts too much sometimes to give.

I am opening up more now, but it doesn't mean a man won't lie to me again, women want to believe, while a man lies to their face. I always make sure to ask hard questions in person, that's probably why Pisces men usually swim away!

Natasha

posted February 15, 2005 02:57 PM              

Pisces girls acting like damsels in distress - why whatever do you mean

LOLOLOL!!! OK OK, believe it or not the whole "save me" thing is not an act - it just comes naturally. Like Linda said " She's a girl. All girl. One hundred per cent." Other signs fake it, but not us and the truth is Piscean females ( unless their charts suggest otherwise ) lack confidence. In our minds we're never good enough and our self-esteem suffers a lot, there's nothing good or lucky about being a "helpless female". No matter how fiery I'm around my friends the second a boy comes along I turn into a mouse ( and I'm almost 22! ) - I don't want to be like that, it's not fun being this shy and I couldn't possibly understand why anyone would want to be this way.

It's even stranger to read some guys actually like that I used to always fake acting like an Aries cause I thought it would make me seem more confident ( something I'll never be ). I failed miserably despite my Aries rising - but then I thought why should I change? I should be happy with what I am - maybe one day I'll start believing it.

posted February 15, 2005 03:06 PM              

there is still something erotically captivating by being a fully grown girl

posted February 15, 2005 04:59 PM              

It happens to us males too you know! or is it just me??? ha ha

I always end up feeling I am the one giving yet getting nothing back, except heartahe.

I too usually attract the sympathy seeking ones who seem all nervous and in need of saving only for them to suddenly find their confidence once more and walk all over me!!

Totally mad. If only eh?

posted February 15, 2005 05:24 PM              

J/K - I knew what you meant

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It happens to us males too you know!

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posted February 15, 2005 05:43 PM            

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