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Topic: Why are certain Geminis so cruel?
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sthenri unregistered
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posted March 01, 2005 01:03 PM
Hi Gloria, I'm always intense!Thanks, I have come to the conclusion we all need a wife, a partner, its' true, BUT I do not want to clean up someone's mess left by an ex girlfriend, wife, mother. That's why I say Go Away, go home to your mother, your woman, your wife. Go back to where you belong, and start over, I am someone new, your equal, not therapy. It was John Lennon, a man with another Sun conjunct Descendant like me, who said "Go back to where you once belonged, your mama's waiting for you" When it's all about relationships, your life is everybody else's relationships, previous, present and future, including Mama. i have to stand up and scream just to be counted! I can't allow anyone to stop me, out of competition or jealousy. Nat IP: Logged |
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posted March 05, 2005 10:23 AM
Natasha -You're going through a bit of a solitary struggle, it seems. More like an internal struggle which manifests? Have you sat down and looked for astrological patterns over the years? Who or what is the astrological influence you either need "to beat", or need to learn from, or need to get away from? I've been looking at this myself for myself. ------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness IP: Logged |
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posted March 14, 2005 04:01 PM
astro, thanks for your thoughts. My pluto is in the 8th so that could be it, a struggle for independence possibly. I have a tough time understanding other's motives right now. They are murky and communication is not what it should be, I am either not alert enough or too alert, too imaginative.I feel threatened creatively at the same time I have many more conveniences. But as the convenience and partnership factor grows, I feel my imagination and passion fade. make sense? Natasha
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posted March 14, 2005 05:38 PM
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posted March 14, 2005 05:41 PM
So what are we in love/passion with? IP: Logged |
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posted March 14, 2005 10:56 PM
wow...whats with the gem bashing..........
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posted March 16, 2005 12:51 PM
Natasha -
Just tell remind yourself that you have the freedom to do what you want with your life. Maybe there is little voice in your head keeping you back. Give yourself permission. ------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2005 06:53 PM
Yes I know, I can be a masochist, and full of guilt for other people. There will always be a part of me like that, Neptune/12th, opp Sun/6th. It's all about service, and guilt for me. My ruler Jupiter is in Virgo/10th house.in love with? compassion, and understanding. Natasha
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posted March 17, 2005 04:04 PM
Yes but the ultimate compliment you can give to compassion is to use it towards others proudly because you have mastered it towards yourself... you don't need to chase down respect.------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness IP: Logged |
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posted March 17, 2005 04:44 PM
It's hard to let go of the guilt though..have you ever felt someone else's guilt? have you ever seen someone look at you so full of guilt it hurt? Natasha
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posted March 17, 2005 05:08 PM
... give me an example of "feeling someone else's guilt" ...IP: Logged |
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posted March 17, 2005 05:29 PM
Oh easy, a married man checks me out behind his wife's back, catches my eyes, give me guilty/reproachful look, as if it's "our" fault. Now I have his guilt on my mind, which is really anger. instead it's directed at myself.Ex b/f gives me guilty, wish he could do more, look, such as I wish I could get you to hug me, or flirt with me, or wishing it was different. Too guilty to say anything but stare. Feels like a hot poker being branded into my forehead, I hurt all over, have terrible anger dreams, about ex g/f killing himself. I know it's a defense, but how to stop it? Natasha
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posted March 22, 2005 11:03 AM
OK - I agree with you, it may be a defense. It may be difficult to see yourself "so up close" - that's why we help each other out here, as someone may have a different perspective. It seems to me that the thing you are more frustrated with above all things is your inability to control the perimeter of your world.The part you said about the guy taking a peek, acting like WE are the one who thinks THEY are desirable, just in time for their girl to turn around and give us the look of satan. This was a HUGE issue with me, AND STILL IS if I do not consciously take an active role in ignoring it. Sort of like, you can take the girl out of New York, but you can't take New York out of the girl ... Giving in to the things around you UP TO A CERTAIN POINT is OK. IP: Logged |
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posted March 22, 2005 11:19 AM
Yes it's up to the certain point that is the problem, I know that perimeter is difficult to watch too. I do the best I can and let my friends handle quite a bit, but sometimes that can add fuel to the fire. Staying centered and focused helps, but then again, my defenses say do, don't dwell. These days many things are out of my control, I give off an air of wanting to be taken care of-at least according to a Leo friend. I feel strong, even energetic, contrary to how I appear. Part of the issue is that I have all these things up in the air, I must sell my house to leave the area where the Gemini is, I don't want to talk about it, and then there is sex, money, surgery, all these things that I have to deal with. I can't complain because if I do things will devolve. It seems things work better for me when they are a secret until they come to frutition, but the Gemini always told me I don't talk about what' s in my head and heart enough, honesty is better. I agree with that, but then when I do that, with one person, my entire life revolves around that person. If that person is insecure already, then it's overwhelming, so most of my emotional life has to be kept secret. Sometimes people have an ability to see what's going on and it makes me feel vulnerable-especially Geminis. I try to be honest and open, and it's my new resolution everyday, but I still it's kind to be private, open criticism is appreciated but it can hurt too. I can be as hurtful as any Gemini, only it's remembered. I have to watch what I do and say these days, and that's just not like me usually. I want a relationship, at the same time I am fighting being sucked into someone's world. I need to make a world of my own-I sense underneath, I am changing and I don't want anyone to touch that. I am not in love for the first time in a long time, and it feels free-for now. It's sad to fall in love, and sad to fall out of love, and I can't understand why I have so much trouble with the middle ground. Just when things go well with me and a man, I get my feelings hurt, and blow it. Natasha Very Cancer Moon Today
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posted March 22, 2005 01:58 PM
... Well ... I think you are ready for change, don't resist it ... again, it could be your confusion over control. You just said, just when the relationship is going fine, it gets messed up ... be wrong for once!IP: Logged |
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posted March 22, 2005 07:01 PM
Natasha darling - You sound like a Scorpio, maybe even a Lunar Scorpion at the moment. You seem to be developing an edge, but at the same time melding too easily with trouble around you.At the moment, ride it out, learn what you can and when the fire dies down a little inside reflect on what changed. I think it will prove to be both more subtle and more powerful than you think, and 99% of what bothers you now will be seen in a light that is different fromm before, and you should be able to both relax and navigate through life more comfortably than right now. You almost seem like a warrior in battle, very intense, which I actually like because I know that kind of energy very intimately. I know this is all very vague, but trust this Pisces, I think you will look back on this period of transformation very fondly in the near future. Love, Swerve IP: Logged |
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posted March 22, 2005 07:13 PM
Thanks Swerve, that's sweet of you to say. Sometimes I think I am turning into a Scorpio, but my Taurus sun wants some stability.Hopefully by May, by birthday I will be settled in a new house and routine, then things will more or less stable, it's just waiting that's the hardest part. Now I have lost the number to my mover, and of course he's stopped advertising. It's little things like that, I am glad you understand, there are days when I really feel like giving up, but I just can't. On top of that this is the year my hair has gone completely white, so I have to keep dyeing it to look normal, problem is I don't want to go back to the way I was before, if that' makes sense. Maybe i will just go white. Natasha
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posted March 22, 2005 07:22 PM
You know, this may be an alien concept to you as a Bull, but any Pisces should recognise what I am about to tell you.Release your grip on life a little, loosen your mental fingers and allow things to flow as they will. Too much focus on too much detail can strangle life. Have faith in the little things, let the details take care of themselves. There is magic in life that comes to fill little voids, but it is easily disturbed by an unreceptive nature, which, only temporarily, youu have adopted. Try a little meditation, a long hot soaking bath, anything that will just let you open up and flow properly. Things might just start to feel a little better in the way they work. Give it a shot and I'll send a little of my own brand of white light your way. I owe you that at least as far as I am concerned anyway. Swerve x
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posted March 22, 2005 07:29 PM
Well, I haven't read these entries...and it isn't fair to stereotype...but....it could be due to speaking without thinking....and not a "feeling" element...just thoughts bounced out there.IP: Logged |
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posted March 22, 2005 09:35 PM
Thanks Swerve, I do feel sort of fake and artificial these days, I would love to get back to nature somehow, somewhere. I don't think a hot bath is going to cure my ills, maybe a bottle of wine or two, but not just a bath.Do send the white light though, I will be looking forward to it, Thanks to for all the great Gemini advice, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't know what to do. I wish I could be childlike someday. Natasha
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posted March 23, 2005 01:57 AM
"wow...whats with the gem bashing.........."Yeah well, that's why I don't come around here much any more and when I do, I try not say very much. IP: Logged |
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posted March 23, 2005 04:10 AM
GemNymph I can see what you are saying sometimes I feel really discouraged too, like I have to pretend to be a sign that I am not just so I can be heard here, because Gems in general aren't heard much, or air signs even I would go so far as to say, And it seems like everything we say is wrong too, no? Even if we shout at the top of our lungs, no one hears us, everyone ignores us, even if we say we are not bad, no one cares, everyone is convinced that we are stupid and bad and misfits anyways, everyone just basks in the gem bashing and appreciates the comments that further that purpose, and ignore the comments that don't join in the unison, this is the wrong forum for us air types maybe, Love SG
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posted March 23, 2005 06:04 AM
Ladies,I'm a Pisces, I'm still here. The so-called "Gemini-bashing" is a fairly new phenomenon, to the degree with which you feel it at the moment at any rate, which cannot be denied. I think in the past Gemini was described as "Can't live with them can't live without them". I have noticed a Gemini tendency to be sensitive for a short while and then carry on regardless. The air seems to be heavy with Watery influence at the moment, and this is why all of a sudden mud is sticking. Ask a Scorpio what its like to have to hide your true self away. You only have a taste and it will pass I'm sure as most Gemini's ARE lovable. But life and people are always more multi-faceted than that and perhaps for once Geminis might actually absorb these lessons rather than treat them as a passing fad. Besides, Gemini Nymph and Secret Garden, both of you are highly intelligent perceptive ladies, who by no coincidence have Water Moons. Most on this forum including the Geminis are what I personally consider to be of a wiser perspective than the masses anyway. I think we are reflecting the average Gemini, and those that aren't as focused on their own character and spirituality as we here all are cannot break the cycle of behaviours that govern them and may well represent their signs more clearly than any of us here. I personally am of the opinion that Gemini's aren't evil by ANY strecth of the imagination, more like indulged children who tease and poke but cry when they are told off for it. But, of course, this is a generalization. Thing is, generalizations are a part of human nature for a reason as they serve the most basic of needs - security. As long as we don't let them rule our judgement, they CAN lay the foundation of understanding needed to reach one and shouldn't be dismissed withour due consideration. Which is why I am comfortable with the "Pisces-bashing" (or "Fish-frying" perhaps?). People that share my Sun-Sign can be absolute idiots, I know a few who are! I'm sure some people think I am! And then if they like astrology will say it's because I'm a Pisces. Well, thats just wrong, wrong, wrong!!! It's probably my Venus in Aquarius.... Swerve
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posted March 23, 2005 08:57 PM
I said CERTAIN Geminis, certain ones, not all, besides I am talking about the feeling of a relationship, each one is different and has a life of it's own. My 7th house is ruled by Gemini conjunct Mercury, and my Sun is trine Uranus in Libra, so I am very, mercury driven myself. I am more Gemini than most Taureans, because I love purely Gemini people, just not the conflicted self loathing ones, because it's such a hang up.My midheaven is ruled by mercury, my rising sign ruler is in Virgo, my Sun is in the 6th, so plenty of Mercury here, plenty of sex appeal here, no reason to be jealous of Geminis either. I am not angry at that Gemini anymore anyway, Take Care, Natasha
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posted March 24, 2005 11:51 AM
... good! ... because it seemed like this Gemini was having just WAY too much fun with you ... think, marionette ...IP: Logged | |