posted February 25, 2005 06:35 PM              

He was drinking when he wrote it,
why do Geminis have to be so cruel?
I don't like being talked to as if I'm T&A, I am so angry, how do you stop being angry over something like that? Words can't bring me down I tell myself, but that only goes so far.

posted February 25, 2005 07:08 PM            

In dumba$$ speak- what he was trying to say is "I miss you and how well we merged together. I screwed up, but I can't admit it. SO, instead I will blame you and say you manipulated me so that I can justify why I cheated on you and lost you in the end".

Sometimes these men need a big kick in the butt... Mr. Taurus says stupid things sometimes too..he has Mercury in Gemini and does not always think before he speaks. LOL...

Don't take it to heart Natasha..you ARE more than your body..so much more. He is just being a louse- the best way to get him or to make him know you are angry- do nothing. Just ignore him, let him stew in it. When he does approach you tell him "You are an ignorant fool that is nothing more than a waste of my time when you write me such stupid things. IF you desire to be in my life at all, then you will NEVER address me like that again - or you will be forever ignored".

posted February 25, 2005 07:09 PM              

You’re a Taurus! OK…maybe you should only work on the forgiveness thing

What you’re feeling right now is only temporary - it’ll go away. Being hurt by an ex like that is terrible, but it will pass. Take this opportunity to grow and move on, you can always make something good out of a bad situation. It’s always there - you just have to know how to look

As for Gemini...I had a fight with my best friend a couple of weeks ago ( a Gem ), she was very cruel - after that I hated all Gemini!!! of course it didn’t last. I adore them too much. To be honest I was being cruel too.

Anyway, back to topic. I hope you start feeling better soon, I know how painful words can be.

posted February 25, 2005 10:24 PM              

Then he wouldn't want me back because my Taurus rage is very obvious, and he is a coward and afraid of me. He is trying to scare me into staying away from his friends, and he doesn't want me around his new girlfriend because things are shaky as usual.

Sorry but that's the best he has to offer,
so as an intellectual companion he has a lot, but he can't help throwing women around in my face, and ex's can't do that and remain civil.

Anyway I edited this post as it's boring me silly!

Natasha
Taurus

posted February 25, 2005 10:50 PM              

More editing!

posted February 26, 2005 01:37 AM            

Sag men....well, I can say that I usually stay away from my Archer brothers. As much as I love them to death and have been pursued by them, they just don't do it for me. Funny though, the Sag men that have pursued me are still friends, even if they still want me to be with them.

I find that "men" like to test. Maybe it is primal, maybe since they really cannot get away with bonking us on the head and dragging us to their caves they have to use the fact that they have had lovers and can still get lovers.

With Mr. Taurus, he won't admit it, but he does not like that 1) The relationships I have had have been meaningful to me, whereas his were experiences 2) I remain friends with exes- like this loyalty, but I don't throw it in his face 3) He sees how other men, even strangers respond to me. It makes him a proud that he has me, yet insecure that others still want me and will even make a play for me in his presence.

It is good in that (like what we discussed on the testing thread) he knows that I CHOSE him, but when he is in his insecure phase, he tries to put me in my place by challenging me. Most of his challenges are verbal (I sometimes flub my words, or use words in a context he is not used to, so then he has to challenge me). Personally, I think he feels somewhat..ummm.what is the word, maybe insecure with the fact that my ex hubby not only was wealthy, but came from a proper family and is a genius. He has stated more than too many times "I think you would still be with Mr. Virgo if you could have worked out his inability to have sex". He is wrong.For as much as I loved Mr. Virgo, we were more like teacher and student, not lovers- but best friends that could never advance.

I have been fortunate, if you can call it that, not to have ever been in the position where I was with someone that I could not contact. Maybe it is how independent I am, but I sometimes end up with men that try to challenge me intellectually, not in a debating way, but in a way that it is obvious they want to put me in my place. For Mr. Taurus, I do give him a pass because he is in the Army. It is a different life, one of structure and leadership. There are times when I just bite my tongue and go with it, mainly because I know most of it is posturing on his part. He has had so many of his friends and fellow soldiers say to him "Damn, what is she doing with you, she is so smart and beautiful". He takes it in stride, but deep down I think it hurts him.

It has to be hard being with a Sag or Gemini..especially for the more grounded types. But, I think that of all the signs that Taurus isn't always what you see is what you get. There is more passion underneath it all. There is this....spark, which may be why so many Taurus people are attracted to fire signs and vice versa. See, deep down, most of us fire signs are not that fiery enigma we come across as being. We want security, to know that we are loved. Isn't that what fire and passion really is? Love... who better to understand Love and give Love than a Venusian person?

It is why we click and also why we sometimes why we misread the other's signs..their language so to speak.

There are times when my speech hurts. When I say something that I know causes hurt... but I quickly recognize the persons expressions and have learned to address them right away. Maybe that comes from having a double cancer mom who I hurt with words so many times and have been hurt by her own words. Cancers will strike out, hit you where it hurts when they are feeling hurt. Mom mom confided in me that she said so many mean things to my father, just because she knew it would get to him.

The testing game is horrible- it does nothing to improve the relationship. There was a time when Mr. Taurus dared me to talk to some bald guy (I always make the joke about drawing on bald mens heads because of a memory of seeing it on Sesame Street). I approached the guy and talked to him for a few minutes. Then Mr. T was ANGRY...how could I do that? How I had embarrassed him in front of his soldier / MP friends. Well hell, he should have told me to go up there in the first place..Lesson learned...he will test me..don't do it..don't be the Sag that has to follow the dare LOL...

I don't talk about my past experiences. I may mention an ex when asked, but I try not to go down that road. I KNOW it would hurt him more than his talking about his experiences hurts me. If he only knew the men I dated, the gifts they gave, my romantic experiences. I don't talk about pleasures I have had in my relationships or how certain men made my stomach flip everytime we touched. That would hurt him.

One of the closest peeks I had into his pysche was when we watched Stepford wives. It was the part when the husbands were lamenting that they were married to women that were beautiful, great in bed and also brilliant, that they felt they needed to quash that- he said "Amen to that". Meaning..he sometimes does feel inadequate to me on certain levels. He doesn't need to..not at all..I don't judge him by those standards. I do not see how one could ask what I am doing with him- they just don't see what i see and I don't care.

I can't say to much about Gemini men. I AVOID them like the plague. Almost every experience I have had with them has been horrible and ugly. From one trying to beat me up to another being my boss and getting convicted of stalking and attempted murder (the latter ended up taking his own life in the courtroom with cyanide when the verdict was read).

Cosmically, I think what we are all seeing is this Saturn in Cancer and Pluto in Sagittarius energy floating about. I think it will get harsher now that the Sun is in Pisces and it is forming that annual conjunction with Uranus.

I meant what I said Natasha, you are worth so much more than T&A and it is better that you have broken things off with Mr. Gemini. As far as having to see him periodically, you are stoic, you can do it. I know that you have that strength..I remember once being in my college cafeteria with 3 of the guys that I had dated and dumped (I wasn't intimate with them) my friend said- "How do you do it? They are here and you are just going about your business, even smiling at them and saying hi".

I said "I'm not sure...it is just easier this way". But my heart was still pounding...I felt like I was under a microscope- but what can ya do?

Mr. Gemini sounds like a real d1ckhead. (Sorry for the term) but he is. He is lashing out for what he did to you..and you are worth much more. I don't think Gemini / Taurus relationships work out well, not like Sag / Taurus relationships. Mr. Taurus was with a Gemini woman- she was mental- on medication, drank alot..etc... she would do some pretty crazy things- she crossed the line when she showed up at his barracks to find out why he had not returned one of her 100 pages..(He was in the field on a mission with the k9 division). That was pretty much the end.

With me, I think it does bother him that I am not very dependent. When he says he will be out in the field (like he is now) I don't call or try to contact him. I respect his work. I also don't call often even when he is just at his training. I feel that he needs his space to concentrate on his work..nose to the grindstone..having to get through what he doesn't like... It took one fight to understand that..because we had never been in this type of situation before. But, once we both explained how we felt - then we learned to have empathy for the other.

LOL..Heck he even called me on Valentines and had gifts waiting. He hates Valentines as he married his ex wife on that day...this is the first he has celebrated it since 1995.

It just takes that understanding...and arguments...and working it out. I can't speak for Gemini's, but I know that Archers have a hard time really getting the point until we UNDERSTAND the other point of view. Also, we have this thing about us..most of us anyway, where we think in images. When you talk about another sexual encounter, an experience..we wonder "Did he / she love that person and touch that person the way we do?"

It is selfish to think that way, because we all have a pattern of touching (does that make sense). But- Taurus looks at the physical different that we do. Natasha, you once said that Archer's can't separate the physical from the emotional when it comes to sex....Damn..how well you know us..we can't. We don't understand that sensual side of Taurus that can do that without giving out a piece of their heart, but you can (and I am not saying that is wrong at all). When we do that..I would venture to say, that most Archers feel the guilt..hence the moving on..travel (RUNNING AWAY) sometimes it may be through work other times it may be through chemical use.

Sorry this is so long..I had been thinking about my reply to you on the testing thread and just kind of merged it all here...

Don't become a lesbian because of the Gemini..you love men...don't give up on them LOL...(unless you really want a chick).

posted February 26, 2005 02:09 PM              

Geminis tend to either use their great gift for words in a very positive way or in a completely thoughtless manner. He unfortunately sounds like one of the latter.

*hugs* sthenri don't let him get you down, hon.

posted February 26, 2005 03:03 PM              

Pidua, you are so right Taurus does feel inferior sometimes because we connect physically
(I'm not a wh....re!" Is our battle cry. Libras have the same issue,
Your relationship with Mr. T is very physical and he can't compete with your past intellectually. Taureans never think they are that smart, but I bet if you told him how quick he was sometimes he would really appreciate it, we like to connect to and know you are really listening.
Yes, I believe it's important to talk about relationships that are in your head today, but not in the past, if something is dead I'm not going to talk about it with anyone.

Venusian types often feel we are into escape, because we are into therapy and helping. Sometimes I want to do that, and then I want to scream I don't want a partner, not where I have to be the wife and serve all the time. It's the constant battle of who is more inferior today,

Relationships revolve around dependency, and that causes couples to argue. If you kill off your relationship, there is no symbiotic, caring type of friendship, but at other times, the depending on someone else forever is humiliating.

Remember Stephen King's the Shining?
Jack Nicholson, also a Taurus plays the lead, in it, he's typing and his wife, asks him what he's doing. He says "Well, when you hear the sound of typing, I"M TYPING", in other words it's humilating to have to explain yourself to your wife who you need to make a living, while she checks to make sure you are actually functioning and potent. I could feel his rage, he really wanted to kill her. Anything that threatens Taurus potency, or power makes that Taurus really angry at everybody. Channeling that is really significant for me.

I will not "kick the dog" I tell myself everyday, some people are sensitive and I try not to do or say anything that says I'm inferior, whether I know it or not, expecting sympathy. I dont give sympathy to my partner so why am I asking for it? Tell Mr. T to suck it up! and not put himself down, that' the only thing that really works for me, hearing that.

posted February 26, 2005 05:33 PM              

while being a gem gal i have to admit that gem gals can be poisonous with those tongues. thankfully i have tons of water in my chart (moon, saturn, pluto) and fire too...so im a very atypical gem. but my ex-sister in law is a gem with aries moon and boy did she try her best to spread nasty rumors about me when i was getting a divorce (stuff like im committing adultery which is totally not based on reality). she spread so much false poison about me in the common friends etc. that i lost a lot of ppl i loved talking to. too bad i had a new yrs resolution to stop retaliation/calling ppl names/judging them. so despite all that pain i sat on it and had to bear it out. but i do believe that what comes around goes around...

and im sorry to hear about all those negative gem experiences...the one thing i dislike about all mutable men in general (gem, pisces, sag, virgo), is that they arent willing to admit that they're mutable (as in we're not good decision makers and we lack a major component that fixed and cardinal ppl have), so these mutable men have to assert themselves and try to be all macho, whereas they are simply LACKING the character trait to even be leaders.

posted February 27, 2005 12:33 AM              

Was just listening to Gloria Gaynor's song..'I will survive' and thought the words were so appropriate.. a good mantra at challenging times like this. Go on girl.. show em you'll do more than just survive.. you're gonna go out there and have a great time!!.. in true taurean style!!

posted February 27, 2005 09:59 AM              

And herein lies the problem. They appeal to our inner child because they are an outer child. But the balance of nature means that on the INSIDE they know this is how they manipulate you. Mean little people who play games with those around them.

The solution is to ignore them. Gemini's are more vulnerable to the "enough rope" method than anyone else. Or just don't let them play with the other chldren and prove your obvious superiority (which is far more relevant in your case than even most others Natasha).

Don't forgive them and don't let them off. Call them on their BS and then watch for the real Gemini to come to the fore. Whatever their reaction at that time, it will be most revealing (plenty of Gem's would show their kinder side, just not most unfortunately.

Its so self-satisfying to let them off the hook "thats just the way they are" - yeah beacuuse you not only allow this, you actually ENCOURAGE it by being so unduly magnanimous! If your are an idiot and selfish and hurtful, you WILL pay a price. Otherwise, who becomes the idiot?

But I have to object to some comments here about men too, far too generalised, and aren't women ALWAYS playing games, testing, over-analysing and criticising.

Ladies, you make it easy for the jerks and Prince Charming is wishing there were 3 genders sometimes. Mull that over a while.

Natasha - all my love darling. Stay strong as I know you are

Cheers,

Swerve

posted February 27, 2005 10:43 AM              

yes you are right Geminis are ones it's hard to get mad at, that's where they win, I have determined to be angry and hostile at all times, this you realize however, will make him want to get me to be his friend all the more! I am not good at come-backs and snappy remarks.

So all I can do is spew my hate at him, even if he is a little disturbed boy. I had a dream in which he learned I was pregnant, I had a choice to end it or keep it, but I learned it was half a child, one eye, one ear, so I chose to terminate the pregnancy but holding a gun to my stomach. Before I could do it the Gemini walked in and shot me in the head for thinking about making that decision on my own, I couldn't blame him because it was his little boy.

So what you said makes sense, he is angry because he is protecting his inner child/outer child, and I have hurt him by telling him what he is. He thinks I am strong and that is why he wants a woman who is weaker than him, but he can hurt me by making fun of that.

He is an angry little child, who wishes he'd never been born, he is sick and ashamed and always hiding his head in the sand, thinking all his misdeeds will go away, and I dont' want to clean up his filthy, bloody mess.

Sorry to be dramatic!
I was thinking of Lilith the Indian Goddess, the myth is that she was a virgin who did not know her worth so she threw it away tand felt like a ***** , she wept, and cried, and her body became Lilith, while her head stayed the Virgin, the gods punished her by turning her into an abortion machine, eating her own young before they could be found, hiding her head in the dark, in shame, and hiding the evidence of her body's deeds. She was punished because she hid from the truth, and felt shame, not because of anything she did, but because she couldn't face with her head, the things her body had done,

The lesson is to face the truth, death and life are equally good, as long as they are not hidden, nothing is evil. I have a strong appreciation for hate and love, but not indifference to life.

posted February 27, 2005 11:03 AM              

Reading this I got thinking about Gemini guys I know or know of, and if any of them have actually had long lasting relationships.

One of my mum's best friends is a Taurus lady who's been married to a Gemini for at least 20 yrs now. I think they are in their late 40s, early 50s. She is very Taurean and he is very Geminian. They have an Aqua daughter, my age. I'm not really sure what kept them together so long, I don't know their charts or anything.. But I find it funny that the only Gemini that came to mind, IN a long-term relationship, is with a Taurean. I get the feeling she stuck with him through thick and thin (even though personally I think there woulda been some infidelities there)

posted February 27, 2005 01:09 PM              

I can't stand being talked down to by a man, it's a lot harder to live in this world and easier to escape from it when your problem is vodka, I lose all pity right there.

Natasha

posted March 01, 2005 10:30 AM              

Natasha -

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Sometimes I want to do that, and then I want to scream I don't want a partner, not where I have to be the wife and serve all the time. It's the constant battle of who is more inferior today

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posted March 01, 2005 11:37 AM              

Oh, the sheer comedy of life, love, and relationships in the modern world.

All we really want is satisfying, safe sex on a regular basis. Is that so much to ask? Why does it have to be so f-ing complicated? Why can't more men have such simple needs? Why do they have to be so much at the mercy of their egos? And why do women humor them?

Look for the more simple man, not as in "simpleton", but one who's needs are modest and basic, not ego driven. I guess that's what I love about Virgo men.

Anyway, Natasha, if nothing else, you can take it as a compliment that you're the "best little body that he ever &%$#'d" I'm sure he's &%$#'d many bodies. Too bad he couldn't appreciate the rest of who you are as well. That should be the FIRST thing a man appreciates about you - when that's in place, then maybe you can take it to the next level. Demand more for yourself, Natasha. You're not just a fricken spank sponge.

With love, and a little bit of p!ss & vinegar...

posted March 01, 2005 01:00 PM              

It just makes me ill, how he has to have all the attention and gets angry and nasty if he doesn't, after all people do pay more attention to me, because I am more popular, with people. Why? Because I don't ooze charm to get people to do what I want and notice me, I like them first.

So far, he spent the entire evening trying to talk down to me but I kept turning away from him and talking to other people, leaving him to poke me in the side a few times but I moved away and shot him a nasty look. I said Thank YOU! loudly, he seemed happy he was noticed, now he can take his walking diseased self away, but I have NO control over badly I want to be liked either, and so we will always fight for the attention.

I have to be myself and that means he will always lose as when I am happy he acts and looks like a big loser.

Players play to play, win or lose, and in this case he lost. He better remember that, I will.