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chrissymgreen
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posted March 24, 2005 05:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ive been wondering about SN conjunctions...i have one with someone, he has SN in pisces 26° and my sun is pisces 28°. i hear all this bad stuff about the SN, i was wondering if anyone else has experienced this as negative. it doesnt seem to be negative with my friend, but then again, im the sun one and he's the SN, so i dont know for sure, i cant really speak for him. he doesnt seem to be drained by me in particular, i dont think.

maybe one thing that helps is my NN is in the 5th house and my SN in the 11th. with him, it's opposite. his NN is in the 11th and his SN in the 5th. so his NN falls in my 12th (where my pluto is, his NN is actually conjunct it) and his SN in my 6th (conjunct my sun). and my NN falls in his 4th house (conjunct the IC cusp) and my SN falls in his 10th house (conjunct the MC cusp, natch).

so you guys think this might help?

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Bluemoon
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posted March 24, 2005 06:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do tell more about these nodes.. I have been with my Taurus for 20 years. I have become more and more dissaticfied with him and even left one time. I don't hate him, just lost that feeling. Gave up trying to change him. He is very unaffectionate. NO hugs and kisses. I really want out, but I not working right now, health problems and I wonder if he would like me move his daughter out of our home...............

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raaz999
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posted March 25, 2005 07:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I guess SN and NN connections can really pull you into a reltionship. I have SN almost conjuct (i dont know the degrees) his sun, venus and IC in my 5th house.

Also my NN widely conjucts his Pluto. My conjuct moon/pluto widely conjucts his pluto and IC.

I have tried so many times to break off this relationship for reasons that I hardly can put my finger at (i have uranus in 12th in scorpio) but have always been unsuccessful. I feel he is obssessed about me in some (good) ways. I always do things to break the relationship but he always comes back.

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sue g
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posted March 25, 2005 08:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know what his south node in pisces (1st house)opp my Pluto in Virgo (7th) would mean? it is prob. something horrible (ha ha) thanks x

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Kay Libra
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posted March 25, 2005 08:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi. This may not be along the same lines but it does have to do with that binding SN tie. Here's my situation my guy's SN conjuncts my Saturn. So which one of us is draining the other? Also my NN conjuncts his SUN. Is North Node suppose to be better than South Node?

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raaz999
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posted March 25, 2005 08:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
North North conjunct sun implies a relationship planted firmly in the future. There is a high chance that this is a relationship that could last your whole lifetime. Nevertheless it will leave a deep impact on you.

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Kay Libra
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posted March 25, 2005 09:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Razz. I was wrong about my SN conjuncting his Saturn. Actually it was my SN conjunct his Chiron.

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Duality
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posted March 25, 2005 09:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kay, I heard that SN conjunct Sat is an unbreakable bond (for better or worse) and that Sat on NN means the Sat person tries to manipulate you (I've found it to be true in my case) and that in the latter, relashionships rarely succeed.

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raaz999
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posted March 25, 2005 10:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also found this stuff on the net at the link you referred Kay. Thank you!!!

South node conjunct Chiron between charts: The past (south node) meets the wounds (Chiron) . Shades of karmic liaisons and soul mate tales can infuse this dramatic union but it is usually about replaying literal events in the immediate past as they surface to be understood, healed and released through the present union. Can also indicate a combined life journey using learned talents and skills.

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Kay Libra
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posted March 25, 2005 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raaz - yes I read that also. I don't know but somethings happen between us that makes it feel like a soulmate connection or either past life connection. IE spontaneous crying episodes and both of us scared to death of one another. But it's also thrilling.

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raaz999
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posted March 25, 2005 11:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
May be you could also check other aspects in synastry if you more insight astrologically. For example neptune conjuctions, venus-pluto aspects along with other aspects. Also ponits at your MC/IC and ASC/DSC.

If its a deep connection, also see if there are other subconscious psychological aspects involved that bring out that particular aspect of your personality. We are more vulnerable with certain people than others. With some we have pshychic connection ESP more than with others. Just sit back and relax and be open for lessons to be learned because there are big chances of that happening. Cherish the moments and keep your eyes open.!!

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Sweet Blue Moon
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posted March 25, 2005 12:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I take it that his south node conjuncting my sun is bad then?


His north node - scorpio (yuck)
His south node - taurus


My north node - cancer
My south node - capricorn


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26taurus
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posted March 25, 2005 02:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Azalaksh! Thanks for the link! I'm going to look into that.

SweetBlueMoon, that shows that you two would be very comfortable and youve most likely been in a partnership before (past life). But with SN connections the relationship can tend to 'hold you back' instead of 'pull you forward' like a NN connection would. It's not necessarily bad but it can be 'easy', 'comfortable, and you might not learn or benefit from the relationship as much as you would from someone who's Sun conjuncted your NN.

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astro junkie
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posted March 26, 2005 10:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
raaz999 -

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North North conjunct sun implies a relationship planted firmly in the future. There is a high chance that this is a relationship that could last your whole lifetime. Nevertheless it will leave a deep impact on you.

What do you think, would a North Node in the other person's 1st House have a similar affect as a NN Conjunct Sun in Synastry? And how about when the North Node and Sun are in the same Sign. I'm thinking, these 3 examples would have similar effects ...

Any feedback from Knowflakes on this would be good ...

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Azalaksh
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posted March 26, 2005 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
26T ~
For past life regressions you might check out this guy too.... http://www.brianweiss.com/

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Sweet Blue Moon
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posted March 26, 2005 05:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have his book that comes with the cd. I have seen so much.

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raaz999
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posted March 27, 2005 06:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this for NN in 1st house in NATAL:

The Ascending Node (Dragon's Head) in the First House is good for the native; it brings him a measure of support which will enable him to succeed in life. It is also a sign of wealth from the intellectual standpoint: a practical imagination, an inventive and fruitful mind. This position is good for the health.

The Descending Node (Dragon's Tail), being in the Seventh House, signifies worries and troubles regarding partners. It often indicates a very material union, so that if the planets are well-placed in the Horoscope this position will be fortunate for money and material things, but where marriage is concerned, not for the emotions.

(Isabel Hickey)

Person must develop his own initiative and his own personal power. Has relied too much on other people in the past, and has been dependent on or dominated by others. Now he must hew and carve out his own destiny. Through his own efforts and his own actions, he will gain the confidence and self-reliance he needs.

(Bernice Grebner)

This person tends to learn to do things for himself, to rely on his own initiative. Life seems to force him constantly into situations where he will have to act under his own volition. He should develop a personality that the public identifies as being individual; and he needs to take a personal stand on things. North Node in the first is forced constantly to project himself, depending upon the sign position. The sign would indicate the reason for the projection of self. He will need to accomplish things through the power of his personality, and to develop self-sufficiency.

South Node in the seventh is self-abnegation. There is danger here that the individual will try to indulge in all kinds of relationships. His partnerships can become so involved that he may lose his individuality in other. This gives the probability that the person will marry successfully later in life. There is always a secret fear of losing the marriage partner. It gives innate knowledge and talent of how to be a good partner. Along with this comes dissatisfaction because of the South Node person's overly idealistic image of a partner. Marriage in this ideal sense may be tried many times and many times denied. He is not rational where partnerships are concerned, especially when South Node is in the sign of Libra. South Node in Scorpio in the seventh is troubled with sexual idealism and / or the partner's financial status. The person is capable of counselling others despite his own personal problems, or more probably because of them.

(Mohan Koparkar)

This condition signifies that the personal values are more important than general public or partnership(s). Individuality is self-propelled; and this person may or may not take heavy partnership responsibility. In reality, the partnership activities are often a drag for them in many ways, but they have to learn to cope with that. Strong aggressive tendencies are displayed, and the personality can be action-oriented. Other people or partnerships become a medium of learning experiences with or without choice. In their recent past life, they have been too much marriage-oriented or in deeper public involvement.

(Martin Schulman)

This individual is here to go through experiences which challenge the self. In former incarnations, he fell into the trap of depending upon undependable people.

Spending too much time trying to help others understand themselves, he never stopped to reflect on how their same situations and circumstances played an important role in his own identity. As a result of putting the accent outside the self, it now becomes difficult for him to see who he relaly is. This is particularly strong if Neptune is found near the Ascendant.

These Nodes indicate past incarnations in which the individual submerged his identity in the affairs of others. Marriage and partnerships are so deeply rooted in his way of doing things that his quest of self is constantly viewed through other people's eyes. He therefore allows their thoughts and opinions of him to influence his own sense of identity.

Ultimately he must come out of the bondage of trying to be all things to all people, and, in the light of his own singular vibration, establish who he really is. He must escape from living in the shadow of other people's lives.

His soul memories of co-operation and teamwork are so strong that every time he falls back on them, he actually extinguishes himself in the causes of others.

His first house North Node now brings to him the awareness that somehow he has lost his identity. Submerged in the desire to please, he has made himself a reflection of an ideal peculiarly opposite to his own basic nature. This causes him much current-life pain as he desires to come out of himself while at the same time not inflict hurt upon those near him.

He must ultimately learn how to assume gracefully the role of leadership. This is extremely difficult, because he has had so much prior-life experience in being submissive. He has sacrificed himself so that others could achieve their goals.

All of his important experiences revolved around docile acquiescence. Now the highest growth potential is to establish a sense of self withotu shutting off completely the benefits of marriage and partnerships. Too often when he becomes aware of all he has sacrificed through his South Node, he becomes an extremist, feeling that one state of existence inhibits the other. He starts focusing every part of the life energy around the desire to lead rather than to be led. Through an instinctive knowledge that his Achilles heel or weak spot is in the ways that he can allow himself to be put into the position of being taken advantage of in marriage, he develops the tendency to become too over-assertive. He tries too hard to make up for what he feels he has lost.

To achieve happiness in the current life, he must learn how to balance equally his own needs with those around him. He must deliberately try not to rush his own growth and independence, with the understanding that the most beautiful flower takes time to blossom, while only the weed grows quickly!

The sign which contains the South Node indicates the ways in which the individual during former incarnations submerged himself in others. The sign which contains the North Node shows the ways in which he can now establish his own sense of identity.

(Donna van Toen)

Conflicts: Good self-projection in terms of being true to self vs. good projection in terms of appealing to others. Excessive worry about partner's well-being vs. attention to your own well-being. Self-generated vitality vs. dependency on others for stimulating vitality.

Possible results of sacrificing North Node: You become dependent on the co-operation of others. You lose awareness of your own feelings about things. You lose your identity. You sacrifice yourself so that others can achieve their goals.

Possible ways to integrate North Node: Learn to accept leadership roles occasionally. Remain sensitive to your environment, but try to avoid being overly influenced by it. Travel - preferably on your own. Seek direct, honest contact with others. Seek out new experiences.

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In the first house, there's a hang-up about leadership. This person is inherently strong and probably highly motivated, but often lacks moderation in his or her attempts to fulfill a leadership role. There's a fluctuation between playing the dictator - which invariably proves unsuccessful - and a strong lack of confidence in your abilities. You feel if you can't be the ultimate leader you may as well just put your life in other people's hands. Either extreme produces clashes with others, since neither the dictator nor the pawn proves to be a totally comfortable role.

A less common tendency is to not care about how you look. This person, rightly or wrongly, wants to be accepted on the basis of his or her inner qualities. However, again rightly or wrongly, in our society relationships are often initiated on the basis of an attractive appearance. For this reason, those who neglect to develop this facet of their personality quite often don't get to first base when it comes to forming relationships.

It's interesting to note that in the process of balancing the first / seventh nodal axis, the person may for a time develop an almost narcissistic preoccupation with grooming and appearance.

North Node in the first house wants to be thought of as ambitious, energetic, and lucky. In contrast, ambitions may have been thwarted by an early marriage or an unfortunate marriage that was based more on transitory romantic feelings than real love. Feelings about relationships and life in general are changeable, and often make a drain on energy, so that when opportunities arise, motivation to act on them is lacking. Sometimes there are problems from laziness or passivity.

(Haydn Paul)

Your focus for personal development will concern identity and relationship issues. You may become dependent on others and, in so doing, submerge your identity in the process, perhaps by displaying a passivity to their will, desires, and needs. You may lack self-esteem, as your self-image often reflects others' perceptions and evaluations of you. This can be misleading, perhaps creating a distorted self-perception, particularly since you allow others' views and opinions to influence your actions and behavior. Yet relationships will be important, and you can devote much time trying to satisfy these partnership needs.

You need freedom from dependency on others. Learn how to be more independent and forge a unique identity, instead of relying on others to define it for you. Through self-understanding, you can live by your own light. But, until this is achieved, you probably will remain too influenced by another's persuasion. What may occur is that, through your desire to please others, you deny and repress your own identity, needs and desires; and through misplaced self-sacrifice, lose contact with your deeper being.

While you recognize the value of relationship co-operation and harmony, being too passive and submissive to more assertive personalities becomes damaging. There are alternate ways of relating, however, which can benefit all concerned. Discovering this alternate path is your challenge. You may have to assert your needs and desires in a way which does not create conflict. Perhaps due to previously relying on others to decide actions, when you become more assertive, you encounter friction with those who have almost taken you for granted. They may find it difficult to deal with the emerging 'new you'. Such difficulties must be faced, and relationships must be rebalanced and adjusted; reverting to a submissive or passive attitude will be detrimental to inner growth.

Ideally, this developing self-expression will be balanced with an opennes to experience the richness and complexity offered by relationships. Initially, this may cause relationship challenges; and your assertiveness may be inappropriate at times. Careful moderation may be necessary, especially if you suddenly at as a 'new you' overnight, or try to dominate others. You need awareness of how you are treating others as you move from a passive to an active role in your relationships. Care is required as you unfold your personality, and when harmonizing your needs with those of partners. For some, the transition could involve dissolving older relationships and later forming new ones more suitable to the old phase. Growth rarely happens overnight; it will come slowly and with considerable effort. But retain faith that your struggles will create great personal benefit and freedom.

I was able to find this about the NN and SN in signs in NATAL:

this is not some sort of mystical force directing your life. The North Node simply shows the general area that you have to develop. This is analogous to the “forces” that make organisms develop in certain directions and not in others.

The opposite point, the South Node, shows the place where you feel comfortable. Too comfortable. If you stay there, you get into a rut. And worse. Your life can stagnate. That effect is heightened if there are planets making a conjunction to the South Node.

Picture the South Node as your roots and the North Node as your leaves and branches. You have to grow in the direction of the leaves. If you spend too much time on your South Node roots, you get root rot.

Important Point: When you finally learn to express your North Node, the positive traits of your South Node sign shine through. We tend to cling to our South Node sign, but if we do, we are seldom happy with the result. Ironically, it is only when we concentrate on our North Node sign that we get what we want from our South Node placement. Usually, only the North Node is included in the horoscope. There really isn’t any need to show the South Node because we always know where it is, exactly opposite the North Node. The Sign position of your nodes shows the main battle you have to deal with. The House position shows which area of your life that struggle will take place.

North Node in Aries: You can be too reliant on partners because an Aries North Node puts your South Node in Libra, the partnership sign. At critical points, partners won’t be there for you. Something seems to come up making them unavailable. You can start things with others, but you usually have to finish it by yourself. The need here is to develop self-reliance. Take a stand. Stir things up. Be active and assertive. But take a lesson from your South Node in Libra and try to do this in a charming way.

Charles Addams, the cartoonist, had the North Node in Aries. He also had it in his 12th house, which rules psychological problems. He managed to use this constructively by transferring all the hang-ups to his cartoon characters.

Reverend Jim Jones, had an Aries North Node in his 3rd house (communications). This put his Libra South Node in the 9th house which rules religion, a field he should have avoided like the plague. At the end, when it looked like he couldn’t be a guru any more, he had his followers drink poisoned Kool Aid.

Richard Dean Anderson has his Aries North Node in the 11th house. He had a seven year run as “McGyver” on TV. Well, he did play an active, assertive character. But before he became an actor, he was an athlete and an adventurer, taking risk after risk. He has the injuries to prove it.

North Node in Taurus: This is a tendency to depend too much on both the resources and values of others. There is also a subconscious need to attract instability and upheavals. A Taurus North Node means that the South Node is in Scorpio, a sign that is attracted to the hidden, the underside, the underworld. Scorpio likes to “die”, to go way down, before it regenerates. Your need here is to concentrate on the regeneration and not the downswing, to build your own resources, and even more important, to develop your own value system.

Hey, isn’t this one of those “Barnum statements” that can apply to anyone? No, not really.

There was a man once who complained to his priest, minister, or rabbi (depending whom you’re telling the joke to). He said “You have to help me; my son can’t play cards.”

The priest, minister, or rabbi responded “What are you complaining about? I wish none of our young people could play cards!”

The man answered “I wish so too. But this one does!”

Yes, everybody has to develop their own resources and values. But people with the North Node in Taurus or the 2nd house really need to do so.

John Belushi had his North Node in Taurus in the 4th house. He should have concentrated on building a stable home life, but the attraction to the underside of life proved too strong. He died from a drug overdose.

Clint Eastwood also has a Taurus North Node. It’s in his 6th house (work). Here is someone who could have slipped into the underworld of that South Node in Scorpio in his 12th house and been wiped out. Instead, he lets the characters he plays do that. He stuck to his North Node and built his own values and resources (Taurus) by working (6th house). And he did it by playing mostly Scorpio characters.

North Node in Gemini: The tendency given by this one is to be wild, untamed, and unsocialized. The negative side of that Sagittarius South Node is a total indifference to the opinions of others. They are not listened too at all. Even when it seems like someone living on their Sagittarius South Node is listening, they hear nothing. The need hear is to develop better social skills. Learn to see things from all sides before shooting that mouth off. Learn to communicate in specifics instead of generalities.

Bill Clinton has the North Node in Gemini in his 9th house. This is a complication that one frequently gets in horoscopes where the sign of Libra is rising. In this case, the North Node is in Gemini (stick to specifics) but it is in the 9th house (aim for generalities). Clinton solved this by adopting a philosophy (9th house) of pragmatism. Like the Vicar of Bray, who in 16th century England was twice a Catholic and twice a Protestant, Bill Clinton has remained true to his main principle: to stay in power (that comes from his Leo Sun-sign). Everything else shifts. Clinton learned to listen when he failed to be re-elected governor of Arkansas after his first term. He never lost another election. After the Democrats lost Congress in 1994, Clinton became more Republican than the Republicans. He is a master politician and campaigner. Just listen to his speeches. He seems to be talking in specifics while saying nothing but generalities. And that South Node in Sagittarius (the wild horse) did contribute mightily to his troubles. He thought he would never even get caught. Now, it turns out that the most famous statement he ever made (3rd house) turned out to be “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.”

George W. Bush also has the North Node in Gemini, but in his 11th house. It remains to be seen what wild oats he has yet to sow.

Donald Trump has a Gemini North Node in his 11th house. He gets help here because he has planets in Gemini. That makes it easier to move towards his North Node. The title of his first book is “The Art of the Deal.” Making deals is a Gemini activity.

North Node in Cancer: This puts the South Node in Capricorn, giving a tendency to be cool, calculating, cautious, reserved, withdrawn, and too concerned with bottom line material concerns at the expense of emotional needs. The Cancer North Node means that the feelings and instincts have to be developed as well as that Cancer nurturing ability.

Whitney Houston has her North Node in Cancer in the 5th house. She has to develop the feeling side of her nature, and her own creativity and self-expression (5th house) are the areas where this must be done. That fits in nicely with her profession, but Whitney should make certain that feelings come out in her personal life as well. That Capricorn South Node in the 11th house shows a rigid streak that has to be dropped. There are potential problems indicated here in the friendship area. Either she will calculate the value of friendships in a material way (“This one can do this for me, that one can do that for me”) or she will attract friends who will do that and try to take her for all she is worth. However, as long as she develops her talent and concentrates on self-expression, this will be less of a problem.

Adolph Hitler had his Cancer North Node in the 9th house. The problem here is that his Moon (the ruler of Cancer) was in the opposite sign, Capricorn, and was sitting right on top of his South Node in the 3rd house (communications). Jupiter, planet of expansion, mad a conjunction aspect with both. The Moon and Jupiter both have some problems in Capricorn to begin with. Hitler was notorious for suppressing his own emotions (in an interview, he said that he only cried once, when his mother died). Those emotions came out when he gave speeches (3rd house) and drove crowds into an emotional frenzy. And talk about being overly concerned with material things! He tried to conquer the world and control (Capricorn) everything. One other ironic twist. Capricorn is the sign most strongly identified with the Jewish people.

North Node in Leo: Bring on that spotlight! Well, sort of. Remember, your North Node shows a good place for you to go to, but you are still attracted to the opposite area, your South Node, where you feel most comfortable. A Leo North Node gives you a South Node in Aquarius. Friends seem to be in short supply. This is because you tend to rely on them too much. What you have to do is push your own creativity and self-expression. If the rest of your chart shows any executive ability, develop that too. Leo is, after all, the sign of royalty, and Kings and Queens are on top giving orders. But remember that Leo motto: “Nothing but the best.” With a Leo North Node, always concentrate on the high end, the top of the line.

Conrad Hilton did that. He built a chain of luxury hotels that still bear his name. Now that’s Leo. He wouldn’t have done anywhere as well with a discount chain. Hilton’s North Node was in his 8th house. Few people get rich using their own money. You have to borrow from others. An 8th house placement for his North Node gave him strength in this area. And the 8th house is also what you can give to others. Hilton gave them luxury (Leo).

Lewis Carroll also had a Leo North Node in the 8th house. Leo is also the sign of children. He became famous for writing the classic children’s books “Alice in Wonderland” and “Through the Looking Glass.”

Why did Hilton go into real estate and Carroll into writing? That has to do with other factors in their horoscopes that are discussed elsewhere in this text. The Nodes, however, did give direction. For Carroll, it was children and entertainment. For Hilton, it was the “nothing but the best” desire of Leo that caused him to aim for the luxury market.

North Node in Virgo: If you have this one, you have to develop an ability to handle details. And you have to work. Your South Node is in Pisces and that gives one of two tendencies. You can fall for any sob story and be taken advantage of by any and all con artists, or you can be one of those people yourself. On the negative side, Pisces is self-undoing. Virgo serves, but not blindly. Your direction is to learn to discriminate between the con artists and those who really need help, to distinguish fact from fiction, and of course to be busy and productive.

Salvadore Dali had a Virgo North Node in his 3rd house. With a Pisces South Node, imagination was second nature to him. But he worked, he produced actual physical objects (his paintings) to give his fantasies a tangible form.

Luther Burbank: the horticulturist, had a Virgo North Node. If the time of his birth is correct, it was making a conjunction with his Mid-Heaven (career). This fits perfectly in this case since Virgo is the sign of gardening.

Jack Anderson: the investigative reporter, has his Virgo North Node in the 3rd house. Like Dali, he has to communicate in detail. But instead of expressing dreams (the positive side of Pisces) he rips away illusions and deceptions.

North Node in Libra: Partnership is one of the keys for you. Your South Node is in Aries, so your tendency is to do things on your own. You may start that way, but you will usually need the help of someone else to finish things off. And that Aries temper! You have to learn to handle conflicts in a peaceful manner (Libra). Blowing up (Aries) will most likely blow your chances for succeeding. So will that Aries tendency to charge ahead first and look later.

Raquel Welch: has her North Node in Libra in the 10th house (career and public image). No problem here. She is pushed to get out of the house and concentrate on a profession. Libra being the sign of beauty helped her in her chosen line of being a sex symbol. She probably has to watch out for the explosive temper that South Node in Aries tends to give.

Reverend Jim Bakker: has his North Node in Libra in the 8th house. He was very successful taking other people’s money (8th house) while he had a partner (his wife, Tammy Faye). He lost it by going out on his own with a hooker. Mars, the ruler of Bakker’s South Node, is in the last degree of Pisces. On the negative side, Pisces rules self-undoing. On top of that, the last degree is home to the fixed star Scheat (pronounced She-at). The effect of Scheat is---well, it’s just like it sounds. The nature of this star is similar to Saturn, meaning it can cause falls from power if one strays from the straight and narrow.

North Node in Scorpio: means you need upheavals. They are good for you. That South Node in Taurus is too grasping and rigid. You have to learn how to throw things away. That includes habitual routines and some of your personal values as well as material objects. Of all positions of the Node, this is the one that is best off undertaking some form of rehabilitation, therapy, or religious discipline requiring a transformation. Also favored are careers dealing with something ruled by Scorpio.

Bryn Hartman: had her North Node in Scorpio in the 2nd house. This placed her South Node in Taurus in her 8th house She put too much emphasis on the material goods and possessions (Taurus) supplied by her partner. When faced with loosing this through divorce, she snapped. The 8th house also rules death, which was the path she took rather than face the upheaval and readjustments of a material loss.

Lon Chaney: the “Man of a Thousand Faces”, had a Scorpio North Node. If the time of his birth is correct, it was in his 6th house (work). That Scorpio placement had to be a help to him when he was transforming himself into other characters, including monsters (also ruled by Scorpio).

Charles Darwin: had a Scorpio North Node. The time of his birth is uncertain so we cannot be sure of the house position. However, his North Node was less than 3 1/2 degrees away from Uranus, planet of genius, shocks, and sudden changes. Darwin certainly fulfilled that one by undermining the social value structure that had endured for over a thousand years and shocking many people in the process. Incidentally, Scorpio also rules the biological sciences.

Once more, I would like to point out that thousands of other people also had that same conjunction of the planet Uranus with the North Node and they didn’t propose a theory of evolution. But since they were not famous, we don’t know exactly how this worked out in their lives. Perhaps they did small things that, in their own way, were also startling and original. And one must always consider all other factors, the entire horoscope. The placement of the Nodes is, after all, only one indicator out of many. Nevertheless, in one way or another, it manages to shine through.

North Node in Sagittarius: There is a strong need to get the big picture and not get bogged down in everyday trivia. The negative side of that Gemini South Node is that it can talk incessantly about nothing. If you have this one, there is a danger that you will always be chasing after the next fad, the next “in thing” and loose your own identity in the process. The tendency is to care too much about being “accepted.” That Sagittarius North Node pushes you to take a stand on what you really believe in and not be so concerned with what is “in” or “out.” Take more long trips instead of just hanging around the neighborhood. Put a little adventure in your life. Instead of just finding out the latest facts, aim for the big picture and try to see what they mean. If you have these Nodes and you find there is no meaning in your life, then you are spending too much time on your Gemini South Node. Find a cause that turns you on and charge off to the crusade.

Drew Barrimore: has her North Node in Sagittarius in the 6th house (work). That puts her Gemini South Node in her 12th house (self-undoing). Her Sun is in Pisces (negatively, the sign of self-undoing) and her Moon in Cancer (negatively, “poor little me”). She was in rehab by the time she was fourteen. Drew will be ok as long as she finds meaningful work (Sagittarius North Node in her 6th house) or something where she can help others.

Bill Cosby: also has a Sagittarius North Node. When he was a stand-up comic, he didn’t just tell jokes. His style was to tell stories (Sagittarius). Of course, they were frequently long-winded and had no point (Gemini South Node) but at least he tried to go in the right direction.

North Node in Capricorn: Your job is to be more practical, efficient, organized, and ambitious. With your South Node in Cancer, there is too much of a tendency to be emotional. More than that, a Cancer South Node can be downright immature, like a cranky child. Don’t expect Mommy (or a substitute) to serve your needs forever. Do it yourself. On the positive side, when you do grow towards your Capricorn North Node, those Cancer traits can keep you from become too cold and aloof. Efficiency with feeling.

Judd Hirsch: has the North Node in Capricorn. It is also in the 10th house. This is a double influence and emphasizes career quite strongly. Notice the roles that made him famous. There was Alex on “Taxi”, a neurotic character who is obviously capable of much more but who works as a cab driver. Then, there was the title role on “Dear John.” The entire show was based on John’s experience in a therapy group. In the film “Ordinary People” (for which he got an Oscar nomination) he did a turn as a Capricorn type, playing a therapist. But even here, he kept telling his patient to express feelings.

Woody Allen managed to make a profession (Capricorn) of his South Node in Cancer. The character he plays is a highly emotional hypochondriac who won’t grow up and is constantly complaining. Woody turned this into a successful career! Capricorn can make a profitable business from almost anything. Woody’s Capricorn North Node is in his 5th house (creativity) which led him into the arts. Thank goodness. The 5th house also rules gambling and speculation, and that neurotic persona he created wouldn’t go over as well if he were a stockbroker.

Corbin Bernsen has his Capricorn North Node in the 10th house, like Judd Hirsch. His breakthrough role was as Arnie, a self-centered, womanizing attorney on “L.A. Law.” His character was always complaining and made constant demands on his secretary (who acted more like his mommy than an employee).

North Node in Aquarius: If you have this one, your job is to cut down on your own self expression and do something to help other people with theirs. That Leo South Node makes you want to act like the king or queen of the hill. What you really have to do is act like a wise and gentle monarch who spends all their time taking care of their subjects. Aquarius, like all Air signs, is concerned with relationships. In this case, it’s friendship. More than most people, you will find yourself in situations where you need a friend. A big necessity for you is to build friendships. Even more, you have to concentrate on being a friend.

Aquarius is also the sign of genius, showing the need to be original no matter how much controversy gets stirred up.

Clara Barton had the North Node in Aquarius. If the time of her birth is correct, the Node was also in her 12th house, which, among other things, rules hospitals. She treated wounded soldiers during the Civil War and later founded the Red Cross. When she lived, women were supposed to stay in the kitchen. Her North Node helped her break new ground in pursuit of a humanitarian cause (Aquarius). Of course, it didn’t hurt to have a pile of planets in her 10th house (career).

Louis Pasteur also had the North Node placed in Aquarius, sign of genius. He took on the entire French medical establishment and won. The real winners were the many people who didn’t die from rabies and the countless others who didn’t get typhoid fever from contaminated milk. Pasteur’s style, however, was pure Leo. He knew how to be on center stage and attract attention. But he did it in pursuit of an Aquarian goal.

North Node in Pisces: means that you have to develop your imagination, intuition, and sympathy. Your South Node is in Virgo, showing a tendency to put too much emphasis on little details, so much so that you get bogged down. Virgo is the sign of lists. Put some free time on your schedule. Do nothing a few times a week. Just hang out and let your imagination drift. It’s good for your health. If you insist on “keeping busy”, do some volunteer work at a hospital, nursing home, orphanage, even a prison. Some place connected with restriction (Pisces rules places of restriction). Don’t forget animal shelters. Or do something creative. Perhaps a workshop in art or dance. Study Yoga, Tai Chi, or take up meditation. And don’t be so insistent on details when it comes to sex.

Isadora Duncan had her Pisces North Node in her 12th house. Dance was her life. So was that powerful Uranus in her 5th house which made her both highly original and accident prone.

Elizabeth Taylor has her Pisces North Node in the 6th house (work). Working in the movies is perfect for her.

Fyodor Dostoevsky filed his novels with discussion of spiritual themes and problems. The main character of “Crime and Punishment” concludes that it would be ok to kill a nasty person and use the money for good works. What a perfect example of a negative South Node in Virgo! He winds up killing the old pawnbroker’s saintly sister as well, and later sees an innocent person arrested for his crime. After he confesses, he is sent to prison (Pisces) and begins a long process of rebirth (Dostoevsky was a Scorpio Sun-sign).

Buckminister Fuller was one of the most creative and imaginative thinkers of the 20th century. His Virgo South Node enabled him to be very detailed in his projects and bring them into reality.

These are interpretations for natal chart. If they are any use to any knowflakes to use them for synastry.!!! I wonder....but who knows....


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Based on these interpretations, I would say that having NN in 1st house would NOT have same effect as NN conjunct sun. Also since NN and sun have different expressions even in the same signs, I would say it would not have same effect as NN conjunct sun. It might have some other meaning or significance though.

Please bear in mind that these are just my OPINIONS AND NOT FACTS.

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26taurus ~ Here is the only link I have found so far that explains about the Declinations regarding synastry: http://www.magiastrology.com/lesson5.html

...And about those past life dreams:
Whoa..Neptune WAS transiting my 12th House when I those dreams! And now that Neptune is currently conjunct my Ascendant, my dreams are now more of the astral-travel variety rather than anything dealing with past life rememberances. And Uranus was also transiting my 12th House during the entire period I was having those dreams. So perhaps Uranus transiting the 12th could indicate an 'awakening' of the past. Makes sense to me!

...And getting back on-topic, has anyone tried looking at the Composite Chart for South Node connections? Because it too can reveal a LOT about the Karma between people.

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...grrr that webpage didn't really give a very good explanation of Declinations.

So anywho here's basically how they work:
all planets in the Declinations with a (+) symbol is considered North of the Celestial Equator line. And all planets with a (-) symbol is considered South of the line. Two planets with a (+) symbol which link up within 1.10 degrees of each other are considered parallel, as are two (-) planets. When two planets link up and one has a (+) and the other has a (-), then this aspect is called contra-parallel. And using the magi Society POV of the Declinations, they consider both the parallel & the contra-parallel to be similar to the conjunction in synastry. And thus both are positive synastry aspects to have with someone. The only time that the contra-parallel is considered negative is when Saturn is involved.

Hope that helped!

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Thanks again Azalaksh! He's great, I've read Many Lives, Many Masters. I'll look into that.

Sassy, thanks a bunch. Yes, that does help. I'm going to have to explore that area more. And ah-ha! I had a feeling it was Neptune at work. And Uranus too! Makes perfect sense to me too. And you know.....I usually dont pay enough attention to the composite. I'm more into the synastry aspect of it all but I'll have to check it out some more, youre right. Thanks again.

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You're welcome, 26t!

As far as the South Node in the Composite Chart goes, I have some real doozies with Mr. Aries in both the Longitudes & Declinations: Saturn conjunct South Node, Venus parallel South Node, and Saturn parallel South Node. To complete the Composite Nodal conjunctions, we also have Sun parallel North Node and Mercury parallel North Node.

The Saturn-South Node connection is emphasized twice in the Composite, so that one seems to be especially Karmic. And I wonder if that Composite Venus-South Node aspect indicates that we were once married...or maybe just lovahs?
OR maybe it means that I was his mother.
oh dear...

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I've been meaning to get to this....

Mr. Gemini and I have nifty node stuff. My NN is in Leo, 5th house, his is in Leo 3rd house. My south is Aqua 11th house, his is Aqua 9th house. His NN falls just a few degrees from my moon, and SN a few from my sun. Weird.

That splains a lot...

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raaz999 -

Great research! Thanks. I can see your point about Houses being different from a Conjunction, etc.

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Thx AJ!

It is so nice of you to visit each and every thread and reply! wow!

ABSOLUTELY COMMENDABLE WORK!

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