posted March 28, 2005 02:59 AM              

No problem! I'll try to help you out as much as I can. This is an interesting subject that I dont know as much as I probably should about.

I do know what you mean about finding that certain descriptions sometimes dont fit you. It's odd because at one time I found Koch to be accurate with me (it moved a few planets into other houses) and then as I researched my chart more, I went back to Placidus. I then found that that system fit me more. Honestly I am no expert on the house systems but part of me felt I wanted to go back to Placidus because I DID find that the planetary set-up it gave me did actually fit me moreso after some study and also it seems to be the one most commonly used. So, I figured that the experts had agreed that Placidus was the way to go. However I know there is alot of debate, or opinions on this subject among astrologers but I finally decided to stick with Placidus.

Let me do a little bit more research on those two different moon placements and compile my findings. So that hopefully, you can get a good picture of each one and decide which one fits you most.

Also, if I understand correctly, by using one particular house system (Placidus I think) you would have Pisces intercepted (the whole sign in one house, not touching any cusps) in the first house. Is that right? Interecptions are very interesting to me. I have Aquarius intercepted in the 1st and it has always intruiged me. Someone here recently gave a great explination of how interceptions operate in a chart and I will try to find it.

Also, Aselzion gave an explanation of why he does not use Equal houses that really resonated with me. I'll see if I can find that too. (You may have read that already though...)

I agree, sometimes an outsiders perspective is good for objectivity. So, I'll see what I can come up with and get back to you in a bit!

posted March 28, 2005 05:01 AM            

I believe I have read Aselzion's reasons why he doesn't use the Equal House system. I remember it gave me a lot to think about. I guess I'm terribly stubborn and want to try things out for myself before I make a decision about them. It's odd though because sometimes when I've interpreted others charts, there are things that won't fit in with the Placidius that make since with the Equal and vice versa. Perhaps there's another system out there that's more accurate? I know the three most popular ones are these two plus the Koch system but that one just confuses the bujeezus out of me.
So much to learn! Astrology just fascinates me.

With the Placidius system, my Saturn and Jupiter and I think my PoF if I remember correctly are also moved into other houses. I haven't looked up the PoF in this other house, but I really don't see that Saturn and Jupiter in my 7th house describe me at all (in the Equal they're in my 8th) and they were one of the main reasons I went back to the Equal system. Yet, in the Equal system, Moon in the second doesn't seem like me ... yet it seems a little more like me than Moon in the first. Perhaps I've just come across some really poopie interpretations of Moon in the different houses? Or perhaps I'm not taking into account enough the effects of the house's ruling planet's placement? LOL. I'm a mental mess sometimes. Thanks in advance.

posted March 28, 2005 06:06 AM              

You know, I dont really pay alot of attention to the ruling signs planet placement.......Maybe I should be looking into that a little more. I know it's important with the Sun, Moon and Asc at least but I have a hard time putting the connections together. I find Saturn to be a very important planet in my life. It is the ruler of my chart (Cap Asc) and placed in the 7th. But I dont really pay too much attention to my Venus in my chart, which is my Sun's ruler. I think I feel Saturn in my life more than Venus.

Well, I've been looking into the Aries Moon and it's placement in the 1st house and the 2nd house. Now, I know I dont really know you Eleanore, but from just the little bit I've gathered from you here on LL I was at first going intuitivly with a Moon in the first house for you. Then I started thinking it might be in the second. Now I could see them both fitting. Which started making me think that if in the Placidus system your Moon is in the 1st, it is probably also close to the second house, which could make you a first house moon with some second house attributes. I know with myself, I have Venus in the 5th but on the 6th house cusp and I DO see both interpretations in myself but consider myself a 5th house Venus natally. Though I do sometimes see the 6th house traits as well. The cusps of all of the houses are actually 'hot-spots', energy centers in the chart and planets placed near them are even more energied than when in the middle of a house. You get a little bit of both house. The cusps are sensitive points just like the axises (ASC, IC, DC, MC) but a little less important than those particular 4 points.

Another thing to take a look at to help you determine which house your moon is in is by taking a look at your mother, her role in your life and how you percieved her.

Okay I'm going to give you some sentences and excerpts to see which ones resonate with you more. (I wouldnt be suprised if you said both do). Think yes, or no when you read them.

(Hopefully you havent read most of these before. I do think it might be able to help you lean towards one house or another though. You might even want to ask hubby which ones he thinks sound more like you.)

Also, I found an awesome article on interceptions by Rev. Alice that I'll post after. I was stunned at how much I could relate to it.

Okay, I'm all over the place here. I'm a mental mess as well, as you can see. Hopefully this helps or we can figure some things out when this is over. This is becoming a good lesson in astrology for me.

I'll continue in the next post....

posted March 28, 2005 06:06 AM              

Similar to Cancer rising in that the emotions are right on the surface, visible to everyone the person meets. Also visible is the wish to nurture others.

The mother had a powerful impact, sometimes because she was a very special person, but in other cases because she was a smotherer.

An individual with the Moon in the 1st House has a memory of taking initiatives and being assertive. The mother encourages the individual toward self -development, but is also always on the go in pursuit of her own interests.

I make my needs known and look to others to assist me in realizing my goal. I am energized by activity and new beginnings and need others to show their respect and support. I trust women and choose female role models.

they exhibit a radar-like ability to pick up and read signals emanating from those around them. However, the interpretation of these signals is often distorted by a high degree of subjectivity.

the Moon in the 1st bestows an almost animal-like intelligence - instinctively knowing what to do in certain situations. They can 'sniff out' opportunity, 'feel' danger or 'hear' trouble.

This individual is instinctively active, energetic, spontaneous, confident, assertive, brave and demanding; reacting in an abrupt, angry, forceful, impulsive and inconsiderate manner when insecure or stressed. The mother would be energetic and active and encourage the individual to try new things, but at times may be volatile and demanding.

People with the Moon in House I are frequently born to parents who are acutely cons­cious of the impression they make on others and the child himself is likely to be very self-conscious at an early age.

MOON in ARIES (also Moon in first house)
Moon in Aries has fiery responses. He reacts quickly and decisively in emotional situations. He nurtures others with his fearlessness, bravery and a willingness to fight to protect his loved ones. Moon in Aries will not stand for mistreatment of any kind. Independence and self-reliance are important to him. He needs for others to show they care for him by allowing him the freedom to go his own way.

Your self-perception and responses to people and the environment will be strongly influenced by feelings, emotions, and instincts. Life will be experienced and interpreted in terms of emotional reactions, where these biases of affinity and disaffinity will shape your life-style and decision-making. When choices need to be made, they will be referred to your instinctive feelings.

You have a sensitive and receptive lunar personality, which may create a phase-type quality to your temperament, through 'internal waxing and waning' creating changeable moods which can at times disconcer both yourself and others, especially where issues of emotional relationship or commitment to aims are involved.

Your lunar qualities form a sense of emotional connectedness with people; and at times this sensitivity can be close to a psychic or mediumistic talent which allows you to receive 'messages' from people or the environment. You may feel emotional empathy for some, and will have considerable sympathy for those suffering emotional pain; but you may have to guard against too deep an involvement with others through your empathic 'fusing' of feelings and emotions. Your presence can be supportive, although a dispassionate and objective type of counselling is not your natural style, due to your inability to distance yourself from feelings. This can distort your perception of others' needs.

They are pretty much incapable of objectivity. Even sympathy is hard for them as they do not see others clearly although they can become them, or feel them - that is, identify with them through empathy. This can make them appear cold when they turn away from persons or situations that are painful, because they have no buffers to protect them from the intensity of their own responses. They are generally not thinkers, because their intuition is capable of giving them all they require to grasp concepts and figure things out. They can come up with answers without any notion of how they arrived at them.

Extremely self-conscious in youth

Here we have a paradox: when the Moon is in the 1st house, the natural and active projection of self is inverted, so self-expression becomes 're-active' or, more properly, responsive. Your natural personality radiance is emotional, sensitive, maternal, and subject to the ebb and flow of moodiness. Needs are immediately projected from the surface, visible for others to see. When your needs are not met, there may be explosive tantrums, defensive shutdown, or collapse into hysteria, all major pitfalls. In general, however, this placement correlates with a 'softness' of personality. You are protective toward those you love or feel drawn to, with urgent sensitivity to those individuals' needs; and you're subtly defensive toward strangers, who may seem alien or threatening. The challenge is to make sure you're safe, then open up.

Your mood depends on your feelings at the moment. When you are emotionally high you are outgoing; but you are shaken by any unsettling experience. Because of your emotional nature, you tend to lose your composure under stress. You become aggressive only when you have to protect yourself from abuse.

You willingly help people who need your tender loving care, but you should understand when to conserve your energy in order to avoid exhaustion. You are too eager to be available when someone says he / she needs you, perhaps because you want human companionship at any cost.

Don't underestimate the value of your creative imagination, which can help you solve your own and other people's problems. You have a calming effect on people in their time of need; they feel protected in your presence. Since you are insecure, however, you must be firm and refuse to allow others to dominate you. (though with an Aries moon that shouldnt be *as* hard)

Moon in the Second house in Aries:

There is a quality of reserve or silence to this position. Still waters run deep. The Moon here absorbs impressions but does not easily find ways to give them outward expression. This is a good placement for artists and writers who will use their craft to translate their impressions into effective ideas and images. Generally well-spoken in any given situation, people with this Moon will usually not be the first to speak, nor will they speak often, or long. They delight in plain, straight-forward speech, direct and to the point.

The mother encourages the individual to develop practical skills

I want to be surrounded by warm, beautiful, and sensual people and things. I like to hold on to things and tend to be possessive of the things or people I love. I feel secure with familiar surroundings and sticking to the status quo.

What will feel essential to satisfy your inner needs is material and financial security associated with a stable life-style. The foundation for this will be establishing a loving family home; and achieving this will be a preoccupation.

Home is seen as a castle protecting you from the storms of life. Sitting there, surrounded by family, material possessions, and comfort, you feel a sense of solidity, emotional security, and well-being.

You may be attracted toward mankind's history and heritage, or to family traditions, a trait which could be used for personal interest or for business purposes. You may have an instinctive talent for understanding the marketplace, using your affinity with material possessions and comfort to sense what consumer products people need or can be persuaded to desire. Such a perception could be exploited effectively through business concerns for your future prosperity.

Sexual fulfillment is extremely important to this position. They are generally powerfully attracted to potential sexual partners. If, for some reason, this attraction does not bring them a fulfilling relationship, it will cause a variety of mental and emotional problems. Both sexes seem to radiate sexual energy. They are very aware of sexuality in others from an early age.

Love is very necessary to these people, although it may or may not be directly connected with sexuality. If others show it, they may make fools of themselves for love. Powerful attractions that are hard to deny and may last for years.

A strong instinct for acquiring money and property.

Money is a primary source of security, an issue of regular daily concern. To feel comfortable, you need to know that you have enough. The pitfall is a feeling of constant 'hunger' no matter how much money is stockpiled. Fortunes tend to fluctuate, and your anxiety level mirrors the monetary ups and downs.

You need sensory pleasure to feel nourished, to maintain regular emotional balance. The pleasures of physical movement, of muscles and skin, trigger interpersonal warmth and sensitivity, producing a maternal consciousness. Conversely, feelings are palpable sensations, linked strongly with the body. Whenever you feel responsive, it's natural to want the pleasures of touch

You are compassionate to the needs of less fortunate people; and although you do not give material gifts, you give of yourself to help those who truly need you, and that is a far greater gift. You realize your social obligations, and you do extend yourself when others won't.

Financial security is extremely important to your sense of well being. You have excellent instincts for making money.

Money was important to the mother. The child might have beenindoctrinated about the importance of making lots of it. Sometimes in the mothers need to make money, she may not have been fully availiable.

There can be a sentimental attachment to objects, especially those inherited from the family or linked with the memory of key people or situations in life. Often there is an interest in heirlooms and antiques - anything from the past.

Like the changing Moon in the heavens, financial circumstances might fluctuate. Money can be earned through professions related to the Moon such as those which serve public needs, careers in catering, pub or hotel work, child-care, housing and real estate, or even work at sea. This position suggests inner resources of adaptability, sensitivity and the ability to instinctively know what others want or need.

posted March 28, 2005 06:13 AM              

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Learning About Interceptions
by Alice Miller

If you are one of life’s misfits, never entirely comfortable in your birth family or with people in your age group, you may have an intercepted chart.

If you can never figure out what should keep and what to throw away–not just things, but sometimes relationships, jobs, etc., you may have an interception.
If you could never make sense of the beliefs of people close to you, if you grew up in an environment where your actions did not bring dependable reactions, or where you could not figure out what you did to cause the things that happened to you, you probably have an interception.

All of the above refer to the interception of a pair of opposite signs. If you have a chart in which two pairs of houses have the same signs on the cusps, and one pair of signs that show up on no cusps, you have an interception. Such chart areas are submerged beneath the surface for a significant part of your lifetime. Only when the time is right–do they emerge as a source of power. Until they do, it is common for us to attract people who sense that power and assume that we will do with it, what they would do with it, if it were theirs. From this can come some very unexpected reactions and responses, including various types of attacks, most often designed to drain our energy and/or our finances.

While some intercepted areas are empty, most have one or more planets caught within them. Occasionally we see the nodal axis intercepted, and rarely, the Part of Fortune. These further complicate the chart. Not only do they behave differently from the norm, they also affect the signs which they rule, making them seem partially or wholly intercepted as well.

Perhaps the most important single attribute of interceptions is that they mark individuals born outside the general consciousness. Something about natives is an unknown in the early environment. What they were born to be is often something unknown or unaccepted in that environment. That makes it hard to discover, simply because it is an unknown possibility. In our first book, we often referred to such natives as Starseed, in deference to a term coming into acceptance at the time. In reality, each such individual is intended to join the ranks of the group that is birthing, midwifeing, bringing in the next age. Each has some contribution to make to the raising of human consciousness. Most have the appearance of one who incarnates from the future, or from some different planet, system, or dimension. All are somewhat Aquarian in nature.

At the beginning of my astrologcial studies in 1976, I was confronted with an interception in my own natal chart. That interception also contained my Sun and Mercury. It soon because clear that my Aries Sun did not entirely fit the descriptions of the sign, and my Mercury sounded more Sagittarian than Aries. So began my quest to discover what it meant to have part of your natal chart intercepted.
When I began my professional practice twenty years ago, the universe cooperated with my studies by brining me a clientele that had a far higher incidence of interceptions than ever occurs in the general population. Eventually this brought out my first interception book, Heralds of a New Age in 2000. I knew then that it would be the start of a series, and the second volume, Possibilities for a New Age, is now ready for distribution.

E mail queries and requests to: alice@lifeprints-for-living.com.
Price is $20.00 with postage paid in the USA.

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Intercpetions mark the charts of individuals born "outside the general consciousness." That means that your evolutionary level is one that was unknown and/or unrecognised in the envrionment of your birth. It is as tho you stepped back in time....to aide in bringing in the next age.

Interceptions have psychological issues attached. They also have spirtual gifts given, which reveal themselves "in their own time" or when the world is ready for them. They come with an internal "timing device" or somehing like a post-hypnotic suggeston. Consequently, it sometimes takes a long time to figure out "what you want to be when you grow up."

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That was so right on and explains alot for me personally.

posted March 29, 2005 02:40 AM            

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I think I may have stumbled upon an obvious problem for me with this. Moon in Aries is much like Moon in the 1st. Duh. The description for Moon in Aries (in the middle of your post) was pretty accurate for me, which makes sense, even though a couple of things seemed a little off mark. Moon in the 2nd in Aries was right on ... yes to all. Moon in the 1st in Aries was about half and half. So perhaps this whole time I've been confused because of the similarity between the sign and possible house placement. Forest or trees? I can't tell.

I'm strongly leaning to Moon in Aries in the 2nd house now. I'm assuming that Moon in Aries in the 1st house would be like a double Aries whammy for my Moon and that just wouldn't fit me. I have nothing else occupying my 2nd house and I can't see where that 2nd house influence would then be coming from if it isn't coming from my Moon, you know? And, since my Saturn and Jupiter don't seem to me to be concerned with 7th house issues, the opposition between them and my Moon would really seem to fit if it was taking place between the 2nd and 8th houses for me.

I want to hug you!

As for the interceptions article, it did seem hauntingly familiar but I'm going to have to read over it a few more times and try to see where I can place all that.

And I think you're absolutely right about transits and progressions providing a big clue to my houses. You're a work of art.

Thanks for giving me so much to think about!

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*Edit*
Hubby just called. I had asked him to look through these interpretations as you recommended. He just finished going through them and decided that Moon in Aries in the 2nd house describes me way way better than Moon in Aries in the 1st ... he also said yes to all the 2nd house ones and said no to half of the 1st house ones.
So, I want to give you an extra-special-thank-you-hug of appreciation for giving me another little happy-deep-inside affirmation that hubby really does know me deep down inside ... or, at least he knows me about as well as I know myself. Thanks again!

posted March 29, 2005 11:25 PM              

Eleanore! (((hugs))) Yay, I'm glad it helped you out.

Yes, it ran across my mind that having a 1st house moon would make your Aries moon even stronger, I forgot to mention it though. Well good, I'm glad youve come to a conclusion. And it's nice that you got some confirmation from hubby. Second house moon it is!

And LOL "a work of art", most people say "piece of work". Thanks.