posted June 14, 2005 08:18 PM            

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Scorpio is mythologically and stereotypically a seemingly more feared symbol, but does astrology underestimate Cancer? Not a whole lot of good is written out there about either sign. Scorps are intense and obsessive, Crabs are weepy and spineless...

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So, I just wanted to clarify that this isn't their opinion, just an introductory stereotype that has been seen.....

I am a Scorpio, but my Sun ( as well as Mars/Uranus and N NODE are in Cancer's house.. the fourth.

I am extremely protective of my 'cave', and the people who live in it that I love.

posted June 15, 2005 05:55 AM              

You're right on the mark. Thought I might, qlarify. I kinda figured people would get a bit annoyed, but that's the beauty of debate.

As mentioned, when I said Cancers were weak and spineless, I was quoting negative astrological stereotypes. I've met Cancers who were way more evolved and insightful, spiritually, emotionally and every which way than Scorpios. I've met some pretty whiney Scorps myself, and no, their charts didn't include Cancer. I've also met Scorpios of steel, and Cancers made of foam. So I DO REALIZE there is no way of telling.

The question was asked based on astrological stereotypes, which people often do tend to just grow into.

Even Linda was very convinced of certain traits of both signs that I found to be disagreeble, especially in Love Signs.

I also meant stronger as in: character perception. Obviously, if you have a magnetic Scorp and a weepy crab, who do you think is perceived as stronger?

Cancer stereotypes are the worst. What annoys me most is that if you meet a particularly strong Crab, you attribute it to 'other' signs in the chart. It's almost as if that person, if dominatingly Cancerian, could not possibly be anything BUT weak, whiney, clingy and weepy.

Scorps, if true Scorps, absolutely MUST be these vicious, penetrating, intense creatures, and if they're not, well they're just not a Scorp.

posted June 15, 2005 01:55 PM            

: VERY TRUE .

posted June 15, 2005 04:33 PM            

As other people here has said, there are many more things to look at in a chart than the Sun position… We are trying to analyse the characteristics of one sign or another, not the characteristics of the people whose Sun Sign is a sign or another… It’s all about a greater concept, a more abstract one…

I read somewhere that the Zodiac is only a classification of attributes, a group of twelve families of abstract characteristics… It’s in a way like a basic colour pallete… Instead of having 123 pixels of red, 76 pixels of blue and 4 pixels of green as a colour shade on your computer screen, a piece of the Universe has a percentage of twelve “colours”, the Zodiac Signs…

The Sun Sign is one of the most determinants because it defines the basic personality, what you are in opposition with what you look like (ascendant), the way you think and communicate (Mercury), or the way you love (Venus)… The Sun is WHAT YOU ARE, the basic colour of the tapestry of your soul… Then you have the shades, the highlights,the brushstreaks…

Something (a personality, an event, a rock, a flower, a colour…) that is basically Cancer is:

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Dreamy, imaginative, changing, moody, fluctuating, constant it its inconstancy, funny, gentle, unassuming, damp, melancholic, pessimist, fearful, vulnerable, sensitive, reproachful, crabby, expressive, absorbing, patriotic, past-loving, secret, compassionate, intuitive, non-judgemental, clingy, soft-hearted with hard outer shell, kind, self-preserving, generous, calculating, home-loving, materially insecure, emotional, maternal, protective… (by Linda)

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And Scorpio:

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Self-defensive, destructive, awe-inspiring, controlled, mysterious, piercing, hypnotic, steady, merciless, penetrating, confident, powerful, electric, vital, poised, genuine, relentless, intense, brutally true, sincere, unvarnished, fierce, passionate, glorious, revengeful, courageous, bitter, awesome inner strength, brave, loyal, fearless, resentful, spiritual, strong… (by Linda)

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I don’t know what you see, but I see a fresh breezy night with a full silver moon, a soft sweet and shy maiden with an armour, pale pink roses in the first description…

And a dormant volcano about to explode in the second one, a dagger that will hit right on the target, a dark calm sunset where the thick clouds are announcing a powerful thunderstorm, steel and blood, fireworks, a mirror, a martyr…

I clearly go for Scorpionic qualities when thinking of “strong”… Sorry, but I have no doubt… I’m not trying to offend anyone… You can be a Cancer and be strong, but it could be due to other shades colouring your self, not necessarily the Cancerian attributes… That’s what I believe…

posted June 15, 2005 04:56 PM              

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We are trying to analyse the characteristics of one sign or another, not the characteristics of the people whose Sun Sign is a sign or another… It’s all about a greater concept, a more abstract one…

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I completely agree with that. It's only when people get confused and stop making the - signs(which can be found anywhere in a chart)/person - distinction that discussions go haywire and other people get offended.

posted June 16, 2005 03:53 PM            

And I look for the teriyaki sauce.
*oh, that's so mean!

posted June 16, 2005 03:56 PM              

lol oops not on another salmon btw

posted January 24, 2016 02:07 AM            

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Originally posted by histrionix:
I'm expecting an onslaught of strange and interesting replies. I ask this question because I am constantly fascinated with both Crabs and Scorps (or people whose charts are strongly influenced by these signs)

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Then you should love this strange comparison/contrast between a....

Cancer sun/Scorpio moon (the bear)

and a

Scorpio sun/Cancer moon (the redhead/ginger)

posted January 24, 2016 08:58 AM            

I'll play along and concentrate on Cancer suns and Scorp suns alone. Leaving all other placements/aspects on the back burner for a minute. Or let's say, to be clear - I'm talking about Cancer energy and Scorp energy (wherever in the chart it's manifested).

It's true that Scorpios, appearing later on the wheel, have more depth and more Karmic lessons behind them. They have more raw 'strength' of spirit. They have backbone. Unquestionably.

Only trouble is, they are also self-destructive. Sometimes use their strength against themselves, consciously or not. Cancers, on the other hand - the whiny babies have very strong self-preservation instincts. They may make a huge fuss about their feelings getting hurt, but it's the silent Scorpio who actually *feels* the hurt deeper and more painfully. Cancer energy feels hurt too, but their self-protection instincts kick in before crisis strikes. Scorpio, on the other hand, goes full-fledged into the emotional journey. Stopping at nothing, not even the paralyzing pain.

posted January 24, 2016 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Then you should love this strange comparison/contrast between a....

Cancer sun/Scorpio moon (the bear)

and a

Scorpio sun/Cancer moon (the redhead/ginger)

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posted January 25, 2016 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
My $ 0.02 :

I'll play along and concentrate on Cancer suns and Scorp suns alone. Leaving all other placements/aspects on the back burner for a minute. Or let's say, to be clear - I'm talking about Cancer energy and Scorp energy (wherever in the chart it's manifested).

It's true that Scorpios, appearing later on the wheel, have more depth and more Karmic lessons behind them. They have more raw 'strength' of spirit. They have backbone. Unquestionably.

Only trouble is, they are also self-destructive. Sometimes use their strength against themselves, consciously or not. Cancers, on the other hand - the whiny babies have very strong self-preservation instincts. They may make a huge fuss about their feelings getting hurt, but it's the silent Scorpio who actually *feels* the hurt deeper and more painfully. Cancer energy feels hurt too, but their self-protection instincts kick in before crisis strikes. Scorpio, on the other hand, goes full-fledged into the emotional journey. Stopping at nothing, not even the paralyzing pain.

However, they also have amazing powers of resurrection. They can get themselves out of the abyss that would destroy a lesser soul. Cancers can stop themselves from entering the abyss in the first place. Therein lies the main difference between Cancerian strength and Scorpion strength.

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posted January 25, 2016 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by histrionix:
I'm expecting an onslaught of strange and interesting replies. I ask this question because I am constantly fascinated with both Crabs and Scorps (or people whose charts are strongly influenced by these signs), who continue to baffle and re-difine their traditional astrological notions.

I am aware that the Moon and Pluto are two very different forces and influences, and that "strengths" of each sign would thus be very different. However, I am allergic to these stereotyped strengths. I like to egg things on a bit, so I ask the question anyway in the contest of: pitted against each other, who is stronger?

Scorpio is mythologically and stereotypically a seemingly more feared symbol, but does astrology underestimate Cancer? Not a whole lot of good is written out there about either sign. Scorps are intense and obsessive, Crabs are weepy and spineless...

Looking forward to your experiences.

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stronger at what I say,,

are Oranges stronger that apples.
I never understand the sense of some threads
on this site.
I am a person born when the Sun was in the sign Virgo,

but to then call me A VIRGO is something for persons who know nothing of astrology to do. the word VIRGO does not define 'me' ,
so when we ask if 'of Cancer or Scorpio'
which is stronger, WHAT PRAYTELL ARE WE DOING,
One Cancer sunsign born individual may have 5 planets in Leo or 4 in Scorpio,
one Scorpio sunsign individual \
may have 4 planets in Cancer and 1 in Pisces,
so what measuring stick are we using to measure WHAT.
A PERSON IS NOT A SIGN, how did we give attributes to SIGN X, by what persons, those we have as peers, certainly all Cancer sunsigns born when both JUPITER AND PLUTO were in Cancer are not representative of all persons born with SUN in Cancer, Nor do all Scorpios born with Pluto or Neptune in Scorpio represent
Scorpio energy.
What writer on astrological signs has lived long enough to experience as many diverse persons to differentiate from all the energies that influenced each sign.
NONE.
Each time we say Cancer is like this or that we make as grave an error as when we try to define the word GOD. Not because our definition is wrong but because the mere act
of discernment or defining is FLAWED.
ANYONE seeking to answer the question ask in the OP, has their own Values, THEIR OWN IDEAS of what is STRENGTH, just like they have their own idea OF CANCER OR SCORPIO,
just for starters,,