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Peri
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posted September 01, 2005 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...If I solarize a planet in your chart, then I press it to emerge energetically, vividly, and actively in your life.

If I lunarize a planet in your chart, then I nourish and support it, and render it moodier and more aware of its needs.

If I mercurialize a planet in your chart, then I press it to speak, to stretch, to gather more information, to think about itself, and to articulate its nature.

If I venusify a planet in your chart, then I warm it, seduce it, and induce in it a desire to connect with me and exchange energy with me. I may also "civilize" it, and encourage it to beautify itself.

If I martialize a planet in your chart, then I press it toward courage and assertiveness, also bringing out whatever anger or frustration it may contain.

If I jovialize a planet in your chart, then I encourage and support it, cheerleading it on toward wider horizons, a willingness to take risks, and more faith in itself.

If I saturnize a planet in your chart, then I invite it to mature and to face reality squarely. I ask it to discipline itself, to make hard choices decisively, and to bring its intentions into concrete manifestation.

If I uranize a planet in your chart, then I press it toward individuation, toward rebellion against "tribal" mythology, and toward free-spirited experimentation.

If I neptunify a planet in your chart, then I enchant and mesmerize it, softening it and filling it with inspiration, spiritual renewal, and imaginative imagery.

If I plutonify a planet in your chart, then I trigger the emergence of unconscious or wounded material connected with it, challenging it to grow and to implement the soul's healing intentions.

This language also helps codify our understanding of House Transpositions as well. If, for example, my Neptune falls in your Tenth House, I'll have a neptunifying impact upon your career. That may be a big deal, or a very minor part of the picture, depending on two factors: a) the strength of my natal Neptune, and b) the importance of career to you, as reflected in your birthchart. The interaction would also be strengthened enormously if my Neptune made some serious aspects to your natal planets, especially a conjunction with a Tenth House planet of yours, or a vigorous aspect to the ruler of your Midheaven.

Some people get touchy about the term "minor aspects." I can see why; those aspects can be powerful, especially the quincunx. I concentrate more on the major Ptolemaic aspects in my actual work, though. They carry so much energy. My time with a couple is limited so I want to focus on the most important issues, which are generally indicated not only more by major than by minor aspects, by also by only the closest major aspects. I won't even have time to speak of all the squares and sextiles, so I tend not to bother much in practice with the semi-squares, bi-noviles, and sesquiquadrates. That doesn't mean they're not interesting and useful; they just don't fit very well into the context of a one-shot, two-hour session, which is how I work most of the time. If you are drawn to work with the minors, generally I'd say treat them as "hard" aspects and these guidelines should translate effectively.

Classically, the Seventh House is the "House of Marriage." A very common correlate of relationship is to see one person's planets, especially the Sun, Moon, or Ascendent, falling in the other person's Seventh House. It's important not to be overly caught up in the dying notions of "malefic" or "benefic" planets in this regard-my Saturn falling in your Seventh House doesn't necessarily mean I'll be cold or distant, or that I will abandon you. It might mean I'll offer you a serious, mature, growth-oriented commitment. It really depends upon how consciously I am responding to my own Saturn issues, and you can't ever see that in a birthchart. Similarly, while my Venus falling in your Seventh House can certainly suggest a wonderfully tender and romantic connection, it can also mean that I'll manipulate and seduce you.

Even though the Seventh House is still reflexively associated with relationship by most astrologers, all the other Houses are relevant-we're talking about a connection between two human wholenesses, after all. Still, I'd encourage you to pay particular attention to the Eighth House, especially between people who are moving into the newer styles of intimacy where the richness and spiritual relevance of the connection means more than blind endurance. The Seventh House really refers to partnerships in general and the grease it takes to keep them afloat. The Eighth brings in the Plutonian themes of deep, shared inner work and psychological intensity. It's also more connected with the bonding dimensions of sexuality than any other House-if you have a planet there in your own natal chart it will very reliably describe the kinds of people with whom you are likely to have the deepest and most
compellingly instinctual sense that you are "supposed to be together." It's about those elusive sexual terms-chemistry and electricity-which no one can satisfactorily define but which everyone recognizes, usually from across a crowded room.

The Fifth House is often trivialized as the "House of Love Affairs." Planets there in your natal chart actually correlate with people in your life with whom there is a feeling of "business that needs to be finished." It's easiest for me to make sense of that perception in evolutionary, reincarnational terms. If you have Neptune in your natal Fifth House, you may really need to claim something back from a person who is an unreliable visionary romantic (Neptune). You may need to release him or just let her go, and that of course is sometimes easier said than done. It's unfinished business from the karmic past, in my view. With Mercury there in your birthchart, the person with whom you've got the unfinished business may be a very good talker. With Mars, someone whose anger is unresolved. You probably get the idea-just think of the darker, more seductive possibilities connected with each planet, and you'll be on the right track.

Those kinds of transpersonal, karmic themes emerge very clearly in interaspectual contacts involving the Nodes of the Moon as well. Reincarnation and the larger metaphysical, evolutionary background against which the astrological story unfolds is a vast subject, really
too big to fit into the framework of this article. The best books I can recommend to get you going in that domain are Jeffrey Wolf Green's classic, Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul Through Relationships, and the new book he and I wrote together, Measuring the Night: Evolutionary Astrology and the Keys to the Soul, Volume One. By the way, Volume Two of that work will be available in a few months. It takes the material even further. While I'm plugging books, I was very impressed with the groundedness, style, and wisdom of Terry Lamb's recent synastry book, Born to be Together, which is published by Hay House.

The Fourth House is one of the most basic-and most neglected-parts of the synastry puzzle. Most of us learn in our first astrology class that it's the "House of the Home." We then use it to speak of our physical dwelling places, our families of origin, and our interior psychological worlds. All that is valid, but let's not leave out the notion that the pot of gold at the end of love's rainbow is a stable, happy bond-a sense of "home," created, proven, maintained, and trusted, with a beloved partner. That's a Fourth House reality. Planets there in your own chart indicate your needs and possibly your baggage in that department. If, for example, you have Venus in the Fourth House, then the kind of home that will work for you is one permeated by a peaceful, aesthetic Venusian spirit. That puts some constraints on how satisfied you'll be living with someone who's got Sun conjunct Uranus in Gemini, square Mars, and five planets jumping for thermonuclear joy in Sagittarius!

If someone transposes a lot of their own planets into your Fourth House, he or she is likely to fill you with deep, comfortable feelings of "family." There's just an inexplicable "familiarity" there. Mutual Fourth House transpositions are common between people who go the distance with each other, and that bedrock astrological fact seems to have disappeared from the more generic synastry textbooks. Probably it's a casualty of our pan-cultural loss of those precious psychological crown jewels-our Fourth House sense of community, kinship, and absolute commitment to each other.

One more comment: of all the relationship Houses, I'd say the Fourth is probably the most "adult." I say that because it relates to the stage of relationship where it would be appropriate to consider bringing new life into the world. In a society where "adult" has come to mean "visible genitals," we've got some collective healing to do in that department. I like to think of astrologers as leading rather than following in that great enterprise.

One final comment: a critical link in the synastry chain is the composite chart. There are a variety of ways of calculating them. The one that works best for me is based on the midpoints of the planets: halfway between my Sun and your Sun is our composite Sun, and so on. I like to use the latitude of the place where the relationship started, rather than the current residence of the couple. I'm also very open to the idea of just taking the midpoints of all the House cusps, which is another popular technique...
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GemStar
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posted September 01, 2005 10:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Peri....the thread title was very deceiving....
thought it was another 'If only he would love me more' thread!! LOL!!

Awesome list here-a great piece of information to keep when trying to piece together synastry between two charts. I have to verbally remind myself Who does What to each person...and what does 'Martianize' mean etc........keeping in mind that the energies of synastry contacts flow BOTH WAYS.

Keep those contact points fairly tight everyone! Less than 3 degrees in most cases (exception-Moon...I stretch it out a tad more, some people go up to 10 degrees!!)

Excellent work Peri!

GemStar

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Gemini Nymph
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posted September 01, 2005 11:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
One more comment: of all the relationship Houses, I'd say the Fourth is probably the most "adult."

Aye, aye, aye...no I would seriously disagree. 4th house contacts do not ensure a more adult or mature relationship, but could potentially mean a more codependant one, and if placements are afflicted, a lot of passive-aggression and manipulation. Not at all "adult."

By the way, I would agree with Bob Marks that later-in-life relationships tend to revolve around the 9th, and I personally believe that the 9th lends itself to more "adult" relationships - there is a certain kind of maturity related to the 9th house, that has to do with its universal themes of exploration and discovery, as well as higher learning. Also its Jupiterian feel gve it a kindof joviality and lightiness that foregoes the heavy ego-drama of self-obsessed youth, allowing partners to freely engage one another and do so in a very enjoyable way, much like old friends, or a happily married couple who have been together for many years and have learned not to take themesleves or each other too seriously. The 9th house presetns tasks of personal development that the natives can only take on if they have either dealt with the issues of their personal and social houses first, or are precocious (mature beyond their years). Obviously, if a partnership revolves aroudn this house, it likely to have that more mature feel to it. (Naturally, if the either or both partners are not that the appropriate stage in their personal development to handle the tasks of the 9th house in a mature fashion, the outcome would not be so beneficial.)

You seem to largely neglect to darker side of these houses, like that the 7th house is also the house of open enemies. The 7th house is a social house and it deals with interpersonal microcosmos between two people. It does not promise this will be good or bad. If someone want to be hostile towards you on a one-to-one basis, this is the house that is involved. I have a seventh house moon, and can assure you, when someone whats to be my enemy openly, that's their target - my moon. Becuase I have one of the most vulnerable and easily attacked moons, and in a prominent place (conjunct my DC), people who have wanted to be my enemies have been comfortable being very open with their hostilities towards me, as if they feel assured I will not retaliate (Pisces moon, not good for retaliating). I have a lot experience with this side of that particular house, hence I why I shun the whole misleading "House of Marriage" tag in preference for the more astute "House of Partnerships and Open Enemies".

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posted September 01, 2005 11:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is lots of room for interpretations of all kinds in astrology. It would be difficult to state everything in a simple paragraph for sure!!

Regarding the 9th house...somewhere in my travels, I have read that it can signify the second marriage....thus, perhaps emphasizing the more 'learned adult' relationship.
It makes sense...although other astrologers will state that ALL marriages, no matter how many, are represented by the 7th house. To a degree, I believe it influences ALL of our relations with others, and not just the marriage partner. However, the concept of 9th house marriage sounds about right to me!
(Of course this may depend on whether you have learned your lessons or not...some people don't learn as quickly and continue to make poor choices again and again...).
Liz Taylor for example...

Thanks for the additional information! Every bit is useful!

GemStar

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posted September 01, 2005 12:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 5th house and jupiter are scorpio and the special man in my life has his sun and moon and mars in scorpio. So I take it that this is good?

My 4th house, mars, pluto, and saturn are in libra and so is his venus, mercury, and 3rd house.


P.S - Come on girls....We don't need any gemini debates


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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

"You must live in the infinite blackness that exists when I close my eyes. I see you when I fall asleep, I see you when I dream."

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Peri
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posted September 02, 2005 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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26taurus
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posted September 02, 2005 01:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome info Peri, thank you!

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Bluemoon
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posted September 02, 2005 02:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool, Thanks Peri!!!!

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posted September 02, 2005 02:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for all this great info, Peri. I am intrigued though by what you say about the Fifth house:

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The Fifth House is often trivialized as the "House of Love Affairs." Planets there in your natal chart actually correlate with people in your life with whom there is a feeling of "business that needs to be finished." It's easiest for me to make sense of that perception in evolutionary, reincarnational terms. If you have Neptune in your natal Fifth House, you may really need to claim something back from a person who is an unreliable visionary romantic (Neptune). You may need to release him or just let her go...

I have never heard this before, and I was just wondering, what is the basis is for attributing karmic overtones to the Fifth House? I readily admit I also tend to "trivialize" that house. Especially since I have Saturn in it, which is such a bore. What, btw., does that mean in the context of karma? Unfinished business with.. what, authority figures? I wouldn't be surprised....

Oh, and thanks for mentioning the books!

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posted September 04, 2005 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Peri, Gemini Nymph and GemStar! Very thought-provoking information -- I have a special interest in 9th house matters, especially with my 3rd house stellium.....

'Zala

PS: I've been longing for an opportunity to tell someone "I'm gonna plutonify you!!" -- maybe with tPluto squaring my nMars for the next few months, I'll get my chance -- LOL!

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posted September 05, 2005 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very nicely done indeed peri!

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posted September 05, 2005 12:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so dumb I've decided I don't even know where to begin on these issues, but you've all given me food for thought and I thank you for it........

hopefully we'll all find our way to where we need to be.....

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posted September 05, 2005 12:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh crap, the embarresment of a double post, more human than I care to admit to be......

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posted September 07, 2005 03:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great info to reflect upon. Thanks

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Peri
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posted September 20, 2005 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
The Septile carries both spiritual overtones and shadow undertones.

The Quintile is the creative, willing risk taking, playful and joyful dimension of the relationship.

The Quincunx is a very difficult aspect.

The Sesquisquare implies ongoing but unrecognised irritants.

The Semisquare implies discontent.

The Novile implies the search for perfection.


Really looooooooong and great article on synastry aspects!

http://web.infinito.it/utenti/a/astrologica/relat_en.htm

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posted September 23, 2005 08:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pluto is in libra and so are my mars and IC. And saturn also. So I plutonify, martialize, and saturnize his venus and mercury? They are in libra also.

My venus and moon and chiron are in taurus.


His MC is in taurus so I venusify, lunarize, and heal his MC? Im I even right about all this?

My jupiter is in scorpio so that means I jovialize his sun, moon, neptune, and mars? They are in scorpio.

His saturn is in capricorn and so in my descendant. My south node.


So he saturnizes my descendant and south node?

ME
planet sign degree house
Sun Gemini 27°52'09 12
Moon Taurus 29°31'58 11
Mercury Gemini 07°46'37 11
Venus Taurus 22°54'09 11
Mars Libra 08°19'27 03
Jupiter Scorpio 00°32'22 04
Saturn Libra 15°29'54 04
Uranus Sagittarius 01°34'37 05
Neptune Sagittarius 25°36'24 06
Pluto Libra 24°10'45 04
True Node Cancer 13°22'33 12


HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Cancer 27°29'48
2nd House Leo 17°27'11
3rd House Virgo 11°17'51
Imum Coeli Libra 11°33'31
5th House Scorpio 18°15'37
6th House Sagittarius 25°34'35
Descendant Capricorn 27°29'48
8th House Aquarius 17°27'11
9th House Pisces 11°17'51
Medium Coeli Aries 11°33'31
11th House Taurus 18°15'37
12th House Gemini 25°34'35

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HE


PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree house
Sun Scorpio 16°31'00 03
Moon Scorpio 25°39'10 04
Mercury Libra 27°47'38 03
Venus Libra 27°25'08 03
Mars Scorpio 26°36'38 04
Jupiter Aquarius 00°39'26 06/7
Saturn Capricorn 24°41'10 06
Uranus Virgo 00°12'34 01
Neptune Scorpio 11°15'08 03
Pluto Virgo 09°50'23 01
True Node Leo 23°14'14 01


HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 03°15'17
2nd House Virgo 15°57'58
3rd House Libra 23°30'54
Imum Coeli Scorpio 22°03'21
5th House Sagittarius 15°19'25
6th House Capricorn 07°29'32
Descendant Aquarius 03°15'17
8th House Pisces 15°57'58
9th House Aries 23°30'54
Medium Coeli Taurus 22°03'21
11th House Gemini 15°19'25
12th House Cancer 07°29'32

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posted September 23, 2005 09:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What an interesting read...thank you very much...

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Peri
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posted October 28, 2005 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for Lauren

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It all depends on how we look at things, and not how they are in themselves.
Carl G. Jung

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posted October 28, 2005 05:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
heheh If you..If I..If we

Great minds think alike Peri

I think I saw this thread when you posted it, because I remember the whole "if i solarize" etc lol.I find it very interesting. Thx!

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posted October 28, 2005 07:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fab stuff!

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posted October 28, 2005 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very cool Peri!

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posted October 28, 2005 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where IS Peri? She's been missing I think.

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Bump and a Happy New Year!

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posted January 01, 2008 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri...

This is excellent!

Happy New Year!

8th

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B..b..b...bump

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