posted September 29, 2005 04:22 PM            

Hey thanks, and great quote re: "The Other Woman" (been there, done that).....

Loopy ~

Can anyone see anything from the synastry.... perhaps it would be better not to investigate synastry with someone who cannot give you what you want (unless all you want is clandestine physical encounters).....

One more thing to think about:
If your wandering Scorp should ever divorce/leave his wife, and come to be "yours", how can you ever trust that he will not wander away from YOU?

posted September 30, 2005 11:59 AM              

****How do you delete a thread on here, would like to do that with this one.****
... thread deletion be the regime of the lindaland authorities
.. however .. humble knowflakes are granted permission to delete their own 'initiall post/reply' text via the 'edit' button ..

*** Its a situation that i turned to astrology for clarification with ***

.. i will try and write down some notes re the charts .. it's a case of available time on my part and a duty to finish L.L. 'kf' projects that are still on the 'backburner' ..

just looking at your chart now .. can see that (1) Nept. is currently retrograde at 15deg .. (2)so is effecting your natal Chiron in Taurus by a transiting square aspect .. so given that .. it is probably going to be a protracted Nep to Chiron transit .. then there is transiting Urns and Chiron to check out re your placements ( as they are retro .. need to take a 'look see' ) ..
.. and of course .. need to see what transiting Pluto is up to .. .. methinks of the transiting planets .. it be Pluto at the bottom of the 'attraction pull' .. .. outer planet transits .. Pluto in particular .. can have the effect of giving the feeling that 'fate' is at work in ones life .. as if one feels not entirely in control ..

.. if it's any help .. .. 'have been there .. seen the cartoon .. kept a t-shirt or two'

.. Pluto transits to any 'one' natal placement are basicly 'once in a lifetime' transits .. if it goes retro then Pluto can hang around an zodiac orb of degrees for years in some cases .. .. they can often involve power struggles between folk .. Pluto is also a heavy weight in the sexual attraction stakes ..

posted September 30, 2005 12:00 PM              

with your natal Saturn in Libra .. you could expect relationships to be your biggest challenge in life .. yet also your greatest source of knowledge .. ..

Nep/Urns/Chiron are currently ( 30/9/05 ) retro ..

.. i have a tendency to look at a chart .. make some mental note .. go away and think about it .. .. often 'observations' will come in the middle of another activity .. whilst watching the tube or whatever .. .. it's a matter of remembering said observations .. .. .. then comes the cliff climbing avalanche avoiding activity of ( groan shudder ) .. Typing ..

.. i could offer astro related thoughts re yer transits as in current situation context .. via phone .. .. lot easier than typing .. if u think that may be an idea .. can put number ( or 'e' adrs) in hd profile .. on request ..

.. be all for now ..
.. shall endevour to return with some .. hopefuly 'clarification' info ..

in the meantime .. you may find that researching the 'effect' of the 'outer planetary transits' will add greatly to the clarification .. .. there are a number of books .. .. my favourite author be liz.greene .. can't remember the exact title .. was something like 'the transformational effects of the outer planets' .. something along those lines .. .. but i did find the book in the bradford public library ..

iv'e not tried it .. but research has shown that listening to Mozart be a great stress releiver .. .. i think boffins are still trying to figure out why .. something to do with the harmonies he used ..

posted September 30, 2005 12:54 PM            

I just wanted to further say that I am no expert in Astrology. I felt your discord so much and had to reply when you asked for "textbook/expierience".

With my Aries moon, coupled with my own Neptune/ Pluto stuff, I came to realize that i was prone to this type of behaviour. Never could figure out why i was compelled to act this way or that- feel this way or that. Astrology helped me be more aware of myself. I don't think you made a mistake in looking to Astrology for answers. In fact, you can gain some great claification/insight - making it possible to make better choices down the road. I know that it has helped me to avoid the same pickle twice...a classic Aries thing.

posted September 30, 2005 01:08 PM              

**** In fact, I would look forward to reading a post one day that has you beaming over someone who has swept you off your feet and who wants to be yours in every way...... ****

.. I'll raise a glass to that thought ..

posted September 30, 2005 01:38 PM              

**** Don't know why i seem to attract these impossible situations but i do. ****
.. i shall try and answer that one .. as there are astro configurations etc that may give one that impression ..

.. just popped back in here as i get the impression that the situation is causing you to feel bad about yourself .. sorry i did not reread the whole caboodle .. but i get that feelin' .. anyhow one key to overcoming that is to realy understand your own chart .. .. the astrologer who did my first proper reading .. .. left me with this quote to reflect upon ..

.. " There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so. " .. Shakespeare ..

posted September 30, 2005 02:51 PM              

**** I know that certain sections of "Just" bu radiohead has been known to ping my chakras lol... ( the section before the chorus, lovely wee guitar scale.)
Thats why mozart could be relaxing. ***
hey .. that be of interest here .. although my knowledge of chakras 'n such could be scratched on a pinhead ..
.. Enya be at the top of my list for Relax .. i imagine myself at sea .. .. but top of list for Rush goes to Clapton's solo in 'crossroads' .. at Creams final live gig .. makes me shiver .. outt'a control .. up and down the backbone ..
.. yeah i should give 'radiohead' a bit more of an audition .. only heard them on the radidio .. any suggestions as to which album i should check out ?? ... or for that matter any good 'trance' type audio would be of interest

Loopy .. stik on an Enya cd .. relax ..

posted September 30, 2005 07:18 PM              

In other words, I know what you are going through. I have been the other woman a few times. One thing I have learned is that you and I have a problem with being alone once the sex starts. There is no nice way to say this, you are hard to get and so you are a sexy.
Guys like you because you don't put out, it's a challenge. Once you put out it's not so much fun anymore, because they weren't looking for a relationship. If a man isn't married he tells you, that you have different goals.

No big deal. But if he's married it's a BIG negative, because you have to stick it out. If you don't, then you never got the man, if you leave, then you leave him alone to hate you and you win. Your biggest problem is that you want to be equals in this relationship-you will never be, he is the leader, he tells you what to do and you like it. Sexually this works great, in real life it doesn't.

If he did leave his wife for you, and this has happened to me, you would be frazzled as to what the hell to actually do with him. He would stop ordering you around, it's real life now, and it's boring. Plus now he may fool around. It's easier knowing he's married because he will want only you, it's going to enter into your head he may want other affairs soon and so it's hard to relax.

How will you be his wife and lover at the same time knowing his past? You won't, you will worry him instead. That is why he will keep you as a lover and won't marry you, too emotional, he won't have a long term relationship with a woman like you, BECAUSE you would never let him have an affair and keep your feelings to yourself at home.

He likes the good housewife type at home, that's why he married her. The reasons why are still the same, he's never said he disliked living with her right? Only that he lacked passion. Well, he can get passion anywhere so he has given up trying to leave her. The affair with you is a last chance at some sort of pleasure before he settles down with her forever.

He will never take a chance on passion when he gets three square meals a day
You my friend, are unpredicatable, wild and unreasonable. Not to be trusted. A fantasy in his mind and he doesn't want you to change.

Do you really want him that bad? If you do then you have to be Queen ***** , go to the wife, get rid of her, move in immediately and do not think of letting him out of your sight ever. That is the job, and that's what he ultimately wants and will find.

If his wife finds out, he will like it because then maybe she will turn into Queen ***** , it doesn't really matter. He just wants the drama/passion.

If you try to make nice, she and he will step all over you and make you accountable for leading this poor man astray.

It's all your fault in the end anyway.

That's how it is from my very experienced perspective.
Get a watch, some jewelry something and go!

If you need sex, go elsewhere, he won't care.

In one of my cases, the guy left but I had a hell of a time trying to track him down, since he had a love of porn and fantasy to begin with.
Right now he is your ideal but you have to commit, without even dating. The minute the wife leaves, he will be on your doorstep with a suitcase, are you taking him in?

And I have to tell you, this last time, I went to therapy and my therapist was into astrology as he was an Aquarius. Anyway, he had a Cancer Moon too, Libra Ascendant, Cancer Mars, and Venus in Pisces-and you guessed it, he was having an affair with a married woman in his office! A Scorpio/Libra moon who never did leave her husband. No passion but she did have other affairs, many others. Eventually she got help and went back to her hubby to work on their life.

He confided in me, that the sex was fantastic and he couldn't understand why she wouldn't come home to him. He didn't get it, to her it was just sex, and only sex and that' s what made it good sex! He didn't have feelings for her, he was just another one of her affairs. Poor Cancer Moons always fall for this kind of thing, because we get our emotions tangled in with your bodies. In his case, he ended up depressed and not working for a few months getting it back together.

Typical Cancer Moon that I am, I cheered him up, kept him from suicidal thoughts, and made him valentine's day cards. Shows my taste in men.

We both managed to rid ourselves of our addiction to attached partners at the same time. Like kicking a bad habit.

I really have found Cancer and Virgo men are the best for Cancer Moons, and other water moon people. We really have to stick together because we are so soft hearted.

posted October 01, 2005 06:22 AM              

Wax me
Mould me
Heat the pins and stab them in
You have turned me into this
Just wish that it was bullet proof

So pay the money and take a shot
Leadfill the hole in me
I could burst a million bubbles
All surrogate and bullet proof

And bullet proof
And bullet proof
And bullet proof”.

posted October 01, 2005 08:30 AM              

Sooooooooooo true. don't we all just fictionalise our worlds and tell ourselves anything x

posted October 05, 2005 09:20 AM              

Hi .. and .. for now ..
.. here's a synastry grid .. will get back here when i've time ..

but .. note aspects to your moon .. his Saturn for one .. .. and the aspect between
your Saturn placement and his Mars placement ..
Pluto transits aside .. i rekon he's going thru a Saturn lesson phase .. tSaturn wiill
back up almost to re-conjunct his natal Saturn .. and he already be a Sat/Sun chart ..
could be Saturn lesson via oportunity .. it happens .. .. he may not have learned 'owt
from his Saturn return .. anyhow will write more down the line a bit ..

ps.. Asc's/Mc's not in grid as his time is not known for sure .. which leave me
wondering where Pluto realy sits in his chart ..

hope you be well
h.d.

posted October 05, 2005 01:10 PM              

.. .. .. Yeah i was hooked up briefly to an Aries lass .. she had a flower tattoo on her shoulder blade (yumm) .. but .. on return from our honeymoon .. she spent the night with the leo lad she had left for moi .. .. leo lad ended up face down on the pavement .. .. well he was blind drunk so i guess he may have just tripped and fallen over .. oh dear .. could only think at the time that it was a pity my little talk with him didn't take place closer to the river ( i was in new jersey u.s. at the time .. and 24 come to think of it ) .. .. the leo 'n i actualy were best of mates .. prior to me seducing his girlfriend that is .. it wazn't me .. honest .. she seduced me .. i think

now i be starting to think of a certain lass with a neat tattoo that runs down her back .. exactly how far i've yet to find out

posted October 05, 2005 01:14 PM              

.. just one thing before i go .. his Uranus placement also be in aspect to your natal Moon .. that can be a real 'facination' pull .. once i felt myself falling pretty strong for a Taurus lass .. i mean i was ready to elbow her Aries b/f out of the way .. well not realy .. but i could not get my mind of her .. .. didn't quite help that she was teaching me at tech class (d.t.p.) .. i used to hang around after class 'n help her out with th computer setup .. .. .. thats all that happened .. but the Urns/Moon sure is a zap out of the blue for the Moon individual ( she had the Urns placement )

.. for yourself .. research and have a think about the Sun/Venus/Mars conjuction in your chart .. in opposition aspect to your natal Pluto .. ..

posted October 06, 2005 11:29 AM              

"Kurt's Venus Opposite Pluto ( Love challenges regeneration, truthfulness) Natives can become involved with intense emotional and sexual relationships which can be demoralizing. The emotions distort regenerative powers. This aspect can cause problems in marriage because of dictatorial attitudes from one partner of the other. They may try to reform their partner rather then reform themselves. There may be problems with taxes, insurance, joint finances or inheritance. Karmic forces can affect their lives, often through sex magic or possession by an outside enmity. there is a possibility of suicide attempts due mainly to disappointment in love." The bit about the possibility of suicide due to disappointment in love..............
Venus opposite pluto such a heavy aspect, can see its traces in every relationship/fling i've ever had and to be honest i'm quite depressed by the thought of a future with it. I know it says that when you have mastered the energies you can attract the things to you that you want but when's that. From what i've read of this aspect it seems like it gives you all a scorps bad traits but none of the good, manipulation, control, jealousy, and it all will blow up in your face and half destroy you anyway......Hmmmn.

posted October 08, 2005 09:08 AM              

**** there is a possibility of suicide attempts due mainly to disappointment in love." The bit about the possibility of suicide due to disappointment in love ..
Venus opposite pluto such a heavy aspect, can see its traces in every relationship/fling i've ever had and to be honest i'm quite depressed by the thought of a future with it.****

no .. no .. no .. no .. no .. ( if youv'e seen the churchill insurance ad on the tele .. the nodding bulldog .. ) .. .. .. Hey I'll swap your Venus/Pluto for my Venus /Saturn .. will also throw in my Venus/Pluto and Moon/Pluto aspects for good measure .. trine and sextile aspects .. .. .. .. you do have a Sat opp Merc aspect in your chart .. i.e. .. don't let the odd gloomy thought get you down ..

regarding research .. read as many authors as you can .. you will find there are two sides to the aspects (both soft and harsh aspects) and the signs .. and the planetary placements .. etc ..

check out a public library .. book stores .. this mag often has good info http://www.horoscope.co.uk/magazine.htm
i'm leafing thru old copies to find relevant articles for some LL threads .. there is stuff on the Venus/Pluto .. be whether i can find it .. .. if you want to find an astrologer in the u.k. .. this school provides a list of their graduates .. http://www.astrology.org.uk

t.Merc is squaring your natal Moon at present .. 'twill be gone on the morrow .. and youv'e got a bunch of Venus transits on from the 10th .. nice ones .. ..
.. check out this lot ( a band) .. with your Pluto aspects .. you may get a kick out of listening to them http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/005302.html
i shall endeavor to get back .. ( haven't realy woken up yet .. need my cup of PG)

posted October 10, 2005 03:29 AM              

And her husband adores her, they are passionate and happy although bicker a bit. She does control him sometimes and they spend too much money but they are in love. She has only been in love three times in her life.

So I think it's a wonderful aspect from my viewpoint.
Just had a blowout with first house Aqua Sun who thought I was too hard, and a bit over emotional as usual. (cancer moon).
I didn't say I was hard, I said he was mean and started to cry. Some tough cookie!

I am sure I could have said I aint' easy. So I did in an email. Still, he won't get it, there is a part of me that is much like my sister only I can't show it, I just get stuck showing the love!

I understand neptune conjunct ascendant too, I am a lovesick puppy, cancer 8th house moon, with neptune, and add venus in aries 5th house, gemini mercury 7th house, taurus sun trine pluto, and progressed sun in cancer, progressed moon in scorpio.

I'm all water underneath! All it wants to do is show love and it sucks.

So cheer up, at least when you fall in love it will be long lasting and magnetic, and children will probably be involved. It's a wonderfully emotionally fulfilling life you have ahead of you.
Unlike us poor Uranus afflicted souls. SOB.