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Lauren
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posted November 03, 2005 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lauren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have a majority of your planets in Personal, Social or Transpersonal signs and/or houses?

The Personal signs and the corresponding houses are Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, and houses one through four.

The Social signs and houses are Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, and houses five through eight.

The Universal or Transpersonal signs and houses are Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, and houses nine through twelve


The Personal signs and houses tend to be psychologically primitive and instinctual. They are me oriented. And they are ruled by the pleasure-pain mechanism. They are inclined to be somewhat simple and naïve. In certain ways they can be childlike or childish. They may have blind spots, lacking the ability to have insight into their own or other’s motivations. They tend to believe automatically that everyone is like they are, or, if not, they should be. They are pre-moral in the sense that they lack awareness of others as separate and different egos, or selves. In extreme cases, this is the sociopath who can do correct behavior because he has learned what is expected and acceptable through observation. But there is no conscience, no inner motivation to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing (as a Universal sign would), or because of the awareness a Social sign would have: that to do otherwise might hurt someone, even himself.

The Social signs and houses are aware of others and concerned with how to get along. They are very I-Thou motivated. Relationships in time and space are the focus of their attention. They are not so concerned with taking care of themselves as with interaction. They want to be liked. They need to feel that they belong and are a part of society. Social signs are moral. They desire to participate with others. Werner Erhard, with most of his planets in Social signs, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio (see chart), used to say that an event was not meaningful to a person unless he shared it with another. Those with strongly Personal or Universal orientations had difficulty even understanding what he could mean by that! Social signs want to conform and be validated by a significant other or the social group. They adjust themselves to the pressures placed upon them by society. They have a need to reach out, to accept and be accepted by people. They are the “people who need people.” Leo and Virgo represent the adolescent phase, while Libra and Scorpio stand for the young adults, the ages between 21and 35.

The Universal, or Transpersonal signs and houses are post-moral. Here, the perspective has widened and broadened to include me and you and everybody, everywhere, all the time. While Aries is me, here, now, Pisces might say not me, not here, not now, or me and everyone, everywhere, anytime. The Universal orientation relates to anyone or anything in the past, present or future. It believes in the principals of law, order, justice, and doing what is right because it is right. It is concerned with the highest ethics, not personal or social morality. For example, it is ethical to be conscientious abiding by the terms of a contract. The post-moral, Universal attitude does not care if you practice monogamy (total or serial), polygamy, polyandry, or are celibate. The point is to honor the truth of the contract whatever that may be.

I have 7 in transpersonal signs, 1 in social, 2 in personal.. 6 in transpersonal houses, 4 in social houses, 0 in personal..

So I have mainly transpersonal/social planets. I was thinking most people here might have a majority in social/transpersonal also, since a lot of astrology is about studying other people and relationships..

:edit: from http://astrologyclub.org .. under "An introduction to singleton Planets"

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ariestiger
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posted November 03, 2005 04:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Planets:
4 in personal, 2 in social, 4 in transpersonal.
Houses:
3 in personal, 5 in social, 2 in transpersonal.

Fairly equally divided, I'd say.

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LoDriscoe86
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posted November 03, 2005 07:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Planets:
11 planets in Transpersonal signs
1 planet in a Social sign
Houses:
5 Personal houses
1 Social house
4 Transpersonal houses


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cancerrg
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posted November 03, 2005 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cancerrg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
four personal, five social and one transpersonal
four persoanl houses and all other in social , again not a single one in transepersonal

your post made me worried , lauren

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cappyme
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posted November 03, 2005 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappyme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Planets:-
7 planets in interpersonal signs
2 planets in social signs
1 planet in personal signs

Houses:-
6 planets in personal houses
2 planets in interpersonal houses
2 planets in social houses

Total
I have about 9 planets in interpersonal signs/houses
7 planets in personal signs/houses
and 4 planets in social signs/houses

So I've mainly interpersonal/personal planets. That suits me.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 03, 2005 09:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a splay so they're all over, house wise:

4 in personal houses (Pluto, Uranus, Jupiter, Neptune)
3 in social houses (Mars, moon, Chiron)
4 in universal houses (Saturn, Venus, Mercury, Sun)

Signwise:

5 in personal signs (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Chiron)
3 in social signs (Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto)
3 in universal signs (moon, Mars, Neptune)

My ASC is in a social sign ruling a personal house.

My Sun is in a personal sign in a universal house.

My moon is in a universal sign in a social house.

I suppose this makes me fairly well balanced.

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Iqhunk
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posted November 03, 2005 10:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
6 planets in Personal Signs and Houses
4 in Social Signs and Houses
1 planet in Transpersonal but no transpersonal house.

That makes me a bit primitive. Og want food, sex, sleep and a course in social behaviour.

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oddball
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posted November 03, 2005 11:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun: Transpersonal
Moon: Transpersonal
Mercury: Social
Venus: Transpersonal
Mars: Social
Jupiter: Personal
Saturn: Transpersonal
Uranus: Transpersonal
Neptune: Transpersonal
Pluto: Social

I have a majority of transpersonal planets. To be honest I have a hard time understanding and empathising with personal signs (the 'selfish' signs), because I see their behaviour as very self-centered, petty, and unethical. Most of the people who I don't like because of their lack of ethics tend to be in these four signs. Just my opinion.

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oddball
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posted November 03, 2005 11:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and another thing. I read somewhere that the signs with the strongest psychic tendencies are Libra, Aqua, Leo, Sag, and Pisces. Note that these are mostly masculine signs, none of these are earth signs ('psychic' doesn't really apply to an earth sign), and none of these are personal signs- two are social and three transpersonal.

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Stargazer
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posted November 03, 2005 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! i guess i'm needy

2-personal signs and houses
8-social signs 6-social houses
0-transpersonal signs-2-tra/pers houses

with the bulk of the social in virgo... i guess makes me needy to be needed
I'd do better wanting to be wanted!

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AcousticGod
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posted November 03, 2005 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1 Planet in Personal (plus 1 ascendant)
4 Planets in Social
5 Planets in Transpersonal (plus True Node)

1 Planet in a Personal House
9 Planets in Social Houses

Crazy!

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 03, 2005 12:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[quote]Oh and another thing. I read somewhere that the signs with the strongest psychic tendencies are Libra, Aqua, Leo, Sag, and Pisces. [quote]

Where in the world did you come across this? Cancer is far more psychic than either Leo or Sag, and Scorpio is virtually synonomous with psychic abilities.

I've know many fire type that has thought themselves or claimed to be highly intuitive or psychic, but these either tend to be people who are really full of themselves or con artistss - in my experience.

Geminis and Virgos can also have psychic qualities about them, as being Mercurial makes them sort of walking "antenneas."

I've known several Libra and Pisces psychic, however. This doesn't surprise me. I'm very psychic myself, and I'm a Gem-Pis-Vir.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 03, 2005 12:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I have a majority of transpersonal planets. To be honest I have a hard time understanding and empathising with personal signs (the 'selfish' signs), because I see their behaviour as very self-centered, petty, and unethical. Most of the people who I don't like because of their lack of ethics tend to be in these four signs. Just my opinion.

Yet, this sounds very self-centered and pious on your part. Historically there have been a number of highly unethical people with persoanl planets in universal signs - bear in mind Lauren first post: universal doesn't mean ethical or moral. It kind of transcends that. So it is actually not uncommon for people with heavy universal infleunce to think themselves "above" morality and can pass judge on others, which is no better than selfishness or pettiness.

Afterall, Ted Bundy was a Sag and Richard Ramirez, aka the "Nightstalker," was a Pisces: both of these serial killers had an active belief in their own mind that they were above common morality and that they were completely justified in what they did. Bundy utterly dismissed conventional morality as a game of sorts, while Ramirez insisted he answered only to a"higher" authority (Satan). And this kind of "I'm above all of you" attitude is the downside of heavy universal sign/house influence and directly fueled both fo these killers' ability to kill in such cruel ways. Stalin, a Sag and Hitler, a Cap moon, also behaved like individual abusing universal influence: both put themselves about judgement, yet readily passed judgement on others, tot he point of unspeakable cruelty and often death. Yet tneither of these men seems effected by their hypocrisy: again, if they can in their own minds transcend common morality, then such hypocrisy bears no wiegh on their own consciences.

So just because you have alot of universal in your chart doesn't mean you're more moral or ethical, nor does it endow someone with the power to judge others, even though it has often been used that way by unethical people.

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LILYGIRL
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posted November 03, 2005 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GN,

I was going to mention much of what you said because the notion of transcending and being above it all can get bastardized and wildly tainted quite easily. A certain detachment can be conferred that makes the person struggle to connect on any ordinary emotional perhaps not sexy but nonethless essential way to other human beings. The idea is to rise above the petty and selfish for the good of others not because I am above and therefore more evolved than others.

I have to check my own chart. I think it is 4/3/3 or 5/2/3

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Azalaksh
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posted November 03, 2005 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personal Houses..........6
Social Houses............1
Transpersonal Houses.....3

Personal Signs...........2
Social Signs.............7
Transpersonal Signs......1

Hmmmmm, never thought of myself as a pre-moral, primitive conformist before!!
I was thinking most people here might have a majority in social/transpersonal also, since a lot of astrology is about studying other people and relationships..
Alas, I'm one of the exceptions to your theory, Lauren.....
Me Like Og!

'Zala

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Iqhunk
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posted November 03, 2005 12:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grunt! Og happy being primitive. Og not kill except for food.

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Lemingtyne
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posted November 03, 2005 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Houses
Personal - 1 planet
Social - 1 planet
Uni/Trans - 8 planets

Signs
Personal - 1 planet
Social - 7 planets
Uni/Trans - 2 planets

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AcousticGod
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posted November 03, 2005 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think that psychic ability can be limited in the way oddball's stated.

quote:
'psychic' doesn't really apply to an earth sign

I've seen hints of psychic ability in my chart, but even Arnicka's recent, "Your Sun & Jupiter Combo," has this to say about my earth/earth combo:

quote:
You can succeed at almost anything you choose, from writing to the military, acting to philosophy to comedy, boxing ring to psychic exploration.

My Capricorn Sun & Jupiter are in the 8th (Scorpio's) house as well.

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proxieme
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posted November 03, 2005 02:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm.

Personal Signs: 1

Social Signs: 6 (if you count the NN); 7 (if you count the NN and Asc...I guess tack some more on there if you'd like to count the DC, MC, etc)

Universal Signs: 5

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Personal House Placements: 4

Social House Placements: 3

Universal House Placement: 5 (if you count the NN)

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Gem Nymph has some very good points about the "transpersonal" signs.
"Sorry, but my ideas/ideals matter much more than you do."

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CrabbyKitty
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posted November 03, 2005 02:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun - Personal in universal house
Moon - Social in personal house
Mercury - Social in universal house
Venus - Social in personal house
Mars - Social in personal house
Jupiter - Social in personal house
Saturn - Universal in social house
Uranus - Social in universal house
Neptune - Social in personal house
Pluto - Social in personal house

(Does this mean I'm shallow??)

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wilsontc
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posted November 03, 2005 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lauren,

Book credit! For those of you who are interested in reading about this, it is in "The Magic Thread" by Richard Idemon. It is out of print and pricey to get...but a good book for the advanced astrologer to read!

Giving credit where credit is due,

Tim

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Betelgeuse
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posted November 03, 2005 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betelgeuse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun - Personal
Moon - Personal
Mercury - Personal
Venus - Personal
Mars - Personal
Jupiter - Personal

Hmm I better not go on...except to say...you all exist only in my imagination

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Lauren
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posted November 03, 2005 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lauren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I edited my source in..it isn't from a book - http://astrologyclub.org

will be bk with more comments..v busy atm

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nove731
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posted November 03, 2005 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Signs

Personal:
3

Social:
1

Transpersonal:
6

Houses

Personal:
5

Social:
4

Transpersonal:
1

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oddball
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posted November 03, 2005 09:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
{quote}
[quote]Oh and another thing. I read somewhere that the signs with the strongest psychic tendencies are Libra, Aqua, Leo, Sag, and Pisces. [quote]
Where in the world did you come across this?
{quote}

I came across this in Sylvia Browne's book on sun signs. Highly recommended btw, but it only covers the surface; great for someone who is new to astrology. This is what got me into astrology. My dad (aries) started reading our descriptions and laughed several times while reading because it was so dead on accurate.

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