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Topic: Aries: "I never said that!"
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Jools
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posted December 05, 2005 07:52 PM
 
I think nannyfish is on the money here.Cancermoon/mother? my own mother is scorpio and when I was 15 she decided to relocate our family interstate 15 hour drive from where we had lived all our lives, because she felt I could be better controlled in a small country town. It didn't work and only served to increase my resentment towards her. Adolescence is a developmental stage, difficult for all parents to handle. You have to trust her a bit and give her her independence to explore the external world, it's what adolesence is about. The more you try to keep her close to you, the more you will drive her away. You have to have faith in her to do the right thing. IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
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posted December 05, 2005 09:29 PM
Leyla, I've noticed this, too. My mom is an Aries and my bf has an Aries moon. They both drive me nuts when they pull this stuff!One of your posts reminded me of this story: When my brothers and sisters and I still lived at home, my mom got really angry at us and went into her room slamming the door. She didn't come out for hours! By supper time we were thinking wow-- she's really mad! By bedtime, still no sign of her. The next morning, it was business as usual... Years later I learned the truth about what had happened that night: She slammed the door so hard she trapped herself inside her room! She couldn't bust her way out until after we were in bed because then we would have known!  IP: Logged |
LeylaLeFay
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posted December 05, 2005 11:32 PM
future_uncertain- ROTFLMAO!!!  
I hope she realized the message god was trying to send her with that.
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Lauren
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posted December 05, 2005 11:42 PM
Hi Geminirising quote:
think we get along b/c she has her moon in my sun sign, cap.
hee one of my really good friends is a Cap girl.. and I also have a Cap moon. The way we met was pretty fated I think.. We were both new at the same school, it was our first day. We ended up sitting next to each other and found out we have the SAME name.. then we also found out we were in all of each others classes.. and we've been friends ever since lol Everyone thought it was hilarious we have the same name and even look alike. People had us confused all the time.. even teachers Stargazer, quote:
However, my moon is in the 3rd house and i have an excellent memory... coupled with my virgo sun and cappy rising i miss virtually nothing and can recite lyrics and conversations only hearing it once.
I'm similar. I have Moon sextile Merc. When something affects me emotionally (and a lot of things do) I remember it in great detail.. it could be a conversation that took place years ago, but I'd know it of by heart. CancerianMoon, quote:
Is that why my daughter will say i hate you..then say she loves me the next day?
NEVER EVER believe an Aries person when they say they hate you (mainly if they're angry at the time).. There's no way she hates you or even feels like she "hates you" momentarily..she *knows this*..and she knows it while she's angry also.. I'm sure it's just something she said without any forethought.. her Moon is Gemini and with an Aries sun.. at her age.. she's likely to do this a lot. Don't let it hurt you, be strong and set the rules.. She will listen and apologise eventually. Don’t give in though.. that’s the worst thing people can do with an Aries kid.. let them do whatever they want, out of fear. I’ve seen this with my bf’s bro and gosh he’s turned out very very abrasive.
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Lauren
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posted December 05, 2005 11:42 PM
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CancerianMoon
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posted December 06, 2005 01:04 AM
Thanks Lauren..your right..and hence the struggle..keeping the rules..and trying to remember that she does really love me..my son aqua sun...aries rising..he used to say he hated me alot when he was 2-3..i just used to tell him i love him anyways..eventually after a long period he stopped...still will say it here or there when really frustrated..but he knows deep down i love him..i know its the same for my daughter..i guess its harder to handle when they are a little older..
Jools..we have to move..its not a choice..and i have 6 kids..the issue is finding a house i can afford that will fit us all..she has a lot of freedom..but has to abide by the ground rules..like home by dark..home 2 nights a week..has to help with some jobs in the house..no swearing..etc..sometimes its almost like she pushes me to my extreme limit then things are ok again..till the next time.IP: Logged |
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posted December 06, 2005 01:13 AM
They repeately say things that they come back later and totally deny?
Or they try and brainwash you into believing you just "misunderstood?"
YES.
They either try to brainwash you, or get ur point of view in the issue, and then deny it completely.IP: Logged |
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posted December 06, 2005 02:51 AM
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OHHHHHHH my aries daughter is like that..we often disagree for that very reason..and my memory is very fine tuned..she has a gemini moon too..and she often says that she has said things or even that ive said things that just didnt happen!! i think its more what was happening in her head..not the actual that she remembers..I love her dearly but we hare having hard times at the moment..she is rebeling against everything..absolutely everything!! Please gimme strength..
that sounds very weird, well my bf is an aries/gem, and altho he doesnt get along with his mom really he loves her to death and wud never say something like that. then again his merc is in pisces and mars in libra, he thinks about things a lot, to say or not to say is usually the dilemma for him (xcept even if they dont tell, if u know an aries well enough u can READ them like an open book really!! so he doesnt need to tell me anything). and when he does communicate it is usually somewhat better than most ppl with merc in aries be they aries suns or not. altho he is very difficult *bangs head against wall* he is still at least SOMEWHAT tactful. anyway i get the feeling he is on good terms with his mom and respects and loves her a LOT , mostly coz of our religion and the focus it places on moms respect, but he doesnt connect or bond with her, neither does he have really a 'good relationship.' However, with men u never know....they all seem to have some sort of oedipal complex anyway so whatever. Love
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Jools
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posted December 06, 2005 04:03 AM
Oh sorry Cancermoon, I couldn't tell you had no choice but to move. Sounds like a typical teen testing the limits of her independence. On the one hand she is trying to tell you that she is older, ready to accept more responsibility for herself and that she can take care of herself (whether she can or she can't is another matter entirely, but she is going to test it out to see if she can, which is completely natural for this developmental stage in the life-span), naturally you and her are going to butt heads and pincers about this as you try to protect her. Aries are so naturally independent anyway, born to explore, assert their own way etc, and you are both cardinal signs wanting to be the leader, so I can imagine it must get very emotionally fraught. Teens need you to give them space, but at the same time, be there for them when their experiences with being independent end up being less than successful. Yes, she should pull her weight, stick to curfew etc, but the more you try to get her to do something, the more she will do the opposite. If your solutions aren't working, perhaps throw them out and do the opposite, even if it seems ill-advised and insane. Though, as you are moving to a new area, it might not be a good idea to tell her she has no curfew...it's a puzzle alright. I wish you the best and remember, adolesence doesn't last forever!11!Treat her like an adult and see if she responds by acting more responsible 
Don't get upset when she breaks the rules, act like you didn't even notice (ie, ignore her) and see how quickly she runs to get your attention. Aries hate being ignored, just don't be mean about it. I'm sure you wouldn't. IP: Logged |
CancerianMoon
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posted December 06, 2005 04:45 AM
LOL..Thanks Jools 
actually once i tryed that..she kept pushing about curfew and so i said she could come home anytime..and did this for about a week and she hated it!!!she then told me i need to know what you want from me..so we went back to a curfew..she is a good girl and i trust her and love her..thanks for letting me vent and hearing me...much appreciated 
Oh and when you say about 2 cardinal signs..lol..i also have a teen son..a cappy(that makes 3 cardinals and a few headaches...lol)..some days are soooo much fun!!! adolecence will last me...lets see..about another 15 years, youngest is 3..i think i worked it out that at one stage i will have 4 of my boys all teens at the same time!!...wow!!
All in all though my kids are wonderful and have taught me multitudes!!
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posted December 06, 2005 05:06 AM
And I thought I was the only Aries who momentarily hated people!! We are quite moody. But on our nice days, we're quite adorable. And PP, as for redefining things...we're just clarifying communication...and as for pretending we don't hear...we just choose to ignore AT IP: Logged |
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posted December 06, 2005 07:27 AM
And we're also mightily arrogant, so go ahead and shoot us. Nah. You wouldn't want to do that - would you? As a general rule, we do get mad over small things, yet we deal quite well with major issues. Speaking for myself, I will say that I don't deny what I've said, and neither do any of my Aries friends, but they are mostly female. Perhaps it is different for the Aries male. I remember now I have had more than a few run-ins with my Aries father, where he has conveniently forgotten things he's said/done and I have had to rub his nose in it (and will continue to do so, for the hell of it, because I don't figure he should be allowed to get away with it and people patting him on the head and saying, there, there, all the time).
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posted December 06, 2005 07:48 AM
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Years later I learned the truth about what had happened that night: She slammed the door so hard she trapped herself inside her room! She couldn't bust her way out until after we were in bed because then we would have known!
That made laugh out loud. My sister is a Cappy/Pisces/Aries (trine Mars in Sadge) ~ I remember my mother having to get a hammer to knock door frames back into place, after all of my sister's door-slamming. Just once I'd love to slam a door as hard and loudly as she can.
I'm not much of a door-slammer, but Leyla's comment makes me wonder why Cappies should get all the fun. quote:
They repeately say things that they come back later and totally deny?
Or they try and brainwash you into believing you just "misunderstood?"
I own up to things that I've said. I just had a conversation like this with my mother on Sunday, and she really is remembering incorrectly (really! ).
*edited. AppleLove's post fits me the most, I think (except for the fact that up until the last year or two, I had a very good memory). I have interrupted people because something has popped into my head, but I can tell them where they left off with an, "Okay, please carry on." That's one thing I'm trying to stop doing, because I know it's rude, but I find myself only half listening otherwise, whilst trying to hold onto my own thoughts. IP: Logged |
nove731
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posted December 06, 2005 09:27 PM
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As a general rule, we do get mad over small things, yet we deal quite well with major issues.
Haha, yes, I don't think many other people understand that. People frequently tell me that I'm petty, and it's just like.....Dude, shut up. You have no idea. IP: Logged |
Jools
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posted December 07, 2005 04:17 AM
OMG Cancermoon, you live in Penrith!!! I live 25 minutes away from you in Richmond!!! How bizarre.
Glad you liked the advice, where are you moving too?IP: Logged |
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posted December 07, 2005 07:26 PM
GEMINI NYMPH hit it right on the nose ... I have known and loved way too many an Aries ... They are so impulsive they blurt out whatever and later down the road are totally like, "I never said that or I don't remember saying that." ... AND it burns me upAND, as a VIRGO I remember every word, especially in an argument or something that strikes as personal ... AND like most VIRGOS know we are almost always rightwhen it comes to this and can recite conversations verse by verse, word by word I have ripped many an Aries for doing this and they have returned the favor by exposing my crabby criticisms ... but it's a friendly pairing and both signs know they need each other ... My Aries friends, no matter how heated the argument or how much I rip them, will come back weeks or months later and apologize (When a Virgo feels they are in the right THEY WILL ALWAYS NEVER CALL YOU BACK FOR APOLOGY) and seek advice cause they are always jumping into something and not thinking of consequences and VIRGOS are always so damn cautious and guarded ...
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posted December 07, 2005 11:29 PM
guilty
know what it is?when I said that, I was not refering to this
or...
I said that, but not about that IP: Logged |
LeylaLeFay
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posted December 08, 2005 10:31 PM
Seriously, I think they say or do something horrible/ awful/ wrong, and only later realize how bad it was.They have two stages, I notice. 1) "Yes, that happened, but it wasn't that bad" OR "you're just blowing it all out of proportion." After they've had a look themselves and reality, and realize their actions make them a bad person, they switch into: 2) "I didn't say that" OR "that never happened" mode. The same thing they admitted to last week that "Wasn't that bad" suddenly never even occurred. IP: Logged |
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posted December 08, 2005 10:48 PM
Leyla, if you're with someone and the good doesn't outweigh the bad, why stay with them? quote:
After they've had a look themselves and reality, and realize their actions make them a bad person, they switch
hmm naw, in my opinion your typical Aries guy would not think enough about the situation to reach that conclusion or care whether or not it makes them a bad person.. The only thing that *makes* Aries anything is their own opinion of themselves.. They couldn't care less about anyone else's opinion.. I'm talking about the sign in itself.. because the thread is about *the sign*..obviously there will be variables depending on the person's chart and a million other things.
:edit: oh and if their opinion of themselves changes.. this would happen if they realised they hurt the other person.. they apologise
Unless you get an apology, you know they just don't care.. and they don't think they are in the wrong at all.. and they most definitely won't lie to cover up being "in the wrong", when they're convinced they were right.. and have done nothing wrong.. So basically there's two options.. 1. The Aries person actually thinks they are right, and what they did wasn't bad so they will argue it till the ends of time 2. The Aries person realises what they did was bad (ie.. only IF it hurt someone) and they apologise.. there's no 3. Aries person realises it was bad but is trying to hide it.. na I guarantee you if that little light would've gone of in his head at any stage and he would’ve realised that what he did actually hurt you, and he was WRONG... he would apologise. If he's arguing the issue, saying "i didn't say that"/"that's not what I meant"/"you misunderstood" etc.. then it never *clicked*.. He thinks he's right and did nothing bad at all.. He genuinely thinks YOU misunderstood or that he said things differently. It's as simple as that – based on sun sign only
(if there are other aspects to suggest otherwise, like Neptune squares or something along those lines..or if you think he has a *sneaky* personality for one reason or another..then it's very possible for him to lie, deceive etc etc.. but the typical Aries sun thinking process is as described above) IP: Logged |
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posted December 09, 2005 02:54 AM
LMAO!1) The Aries is always right.
2) If the Aries is wrong, see rule #1. Either they think they're "right" and argue until the end of time, OR, the incident never happened. Admission of guilt combined with an apology would be a sign of "weakness." Admitting any wrong doing is out of the question. IP: Logged |
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posted December 09, 2005 09:50 AM
My brother in law and two of my best girlfriends are Aries Suns. Two of them have aries venuses; one has an aries mars. In the decade that I have known these 3 people I have never experienced any of them saying "Lily that's not what I said!" But then again I am a good listener and tend to gel with all 3 parties. Much of this has to do with how in sync the parties are from jump street.One of the Aries, my brother in law--is profusely apologetic --note he has a Pisces Mercury--; The women have never had to apologize to me for anything so I am not certain how they are when they lock horns with their significant others. I do know one has a shorter fuse than the other. Once again, look at the aspects and more than one part of a human beings chart. An Aries with Scorpio Mars will come at conflict differently than one with Cancer Moon or Libra Rising. And yes it is possible to see something very differently than another human being. One can say something and what is recalled differently is often the tone or body language that accompanied the message, not neccessarily the words. IP: Logged |
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posted December 09, 2005 10:14 AM
Sometimes, it could just be the difference between what was said and what was heard - and they could be two different things.For example - an argument between two people:
Person 1: I can't go to the party.
Person 2: How come you don't want to go?
Person 1: Didn't say I don't want to go. Said I CAN'T go. There is a difference you know?
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posted December 09, 2005 08:45 PM
Don't know what planet you're finding these apologetic Aries, but it sure isn't earth.Perhaps you need to re-read my original post. 1) I broke up with him because he flatly refused to put me in school.
2) Six months later he swears it was always his intention to put me in school. Am I crazy? No.
Did he "forget?" No.
Did I "misunderstand?" No. He has simply CHANGED his MIND. He cannot admit he's "giving in" or was "wrong."
Therefore: It was his plan all along. It may be at a certain level "closeness" that this behavior comes out- perhaps you have to live under the same roof with the Aries or be their lover. IP: Logged |
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posted December 10, 2005 01:19 AM
I don't know. Personally I think they do apologise.. and I know I do A LOT, if I hurt someone (I also have Pisces Merc).. It'd hurt me to hurt them. I'd hate it..I'd do my best to make it better. There are exceptions. If I think the person is a total a-hole to start with and are quite mean generally.. Basically if I feel they deserved it, hurting them won't be something I feel sorry about at all. If anything I most probably would've hurt them *on purpose* for a reason, and felt it was the right thing to do in a particular situation. For example if the person was being rude to myself or someone else around me.. I could be quite mean to them, with NO remorse. I have Jupiter on MC - also in Pisces (trine Pluto).. If I see people being done wrong in some way, or even if I just hear about it, that's when my rage comes out big time. It happens extremely rarely, because most people I know are quite nice and I try to stir clear of bit*chy or ill willed individuals. You really can't draw conclusions about the entire population of a certain sign.. which is why I said, in my previous post.. this entire thread is about - the sign.. If you want answers for the sign.. The answer is Aries - baby of the zodiac - no forethought - no afterthought - if they hurt and realise it they apologise - as long as they think they're right they won't give in..etc etc.. Those are the general attributes that are given to Aries as a sign.. But again, people are people and I completely agree with Lily.. you can't reach any realistic conclusions, based on someone’s sun sign only. Anyhoo Leyla, you're over him now (I hope you are). Aries or not, regardless of his sign.. what he did was stupid, obviously it hurt you. He doesn't deserve to have you in his life.. and I don't think he is someone you can count on. You said you won't get back together with him. I'm glad you made that decision. Your love life seems a bit like a rollercoaster atm (with the other cross dresser guy as well).. Hope everything works out, with a new guy.. who isn't a prick or gay or a cross dresser or anything else you'd be uncomfortable with. Good luck 
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posted December 10, 2005 03:41 AM
actually altho i posted earlier that my aries bf does this all the time, and he does, i feel like i have to speak up in the defense of aries coz i just lashed out at him and the poor guy had to dodge my many caustic arrows....think Gem sun conj merc in the 9th house ouch. altho aries dont speak carefully they dont generally listen carefully either. they wont hold onto ur words and haunt u till ur death with them. they forgive their own misgivings and forgive other ppls too. no one is perfect. this is what makes me come back to this particular aries time and again. however like Lauren he has a pisces merc which makes him so sensitive and wonderful, other worldly. he has the coolest dreams. i dont dream much but being a scorp mooner am fascinated by dreams. so when he tells me his dreams they become part of my novel also i shud add that too much fire can make anyone self righteous, myself included with that prominent venus in aries i can be a big butthole myself. im glad the aries im talking about has air grand trine it helps cool things off a bit. Love
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