posted January 15, 2006 07:06 AM              

Pid, high fives, I like the way you express things. Sometimes, a thought will be clear in my mind and come out all distorted when I express it. Mercury in the 12th maybe

Yes I have had ex bfs want to get back together with me. I have no idea why that is. When it is over it over for me, I don't like to look back. Your Taurus ex-fiance soudns a lot like my Cancer fiance. He is a homebody and not very social. I enjoy relaxing at home, but sometimes it gets dull and oppressive. Most of our current tension is about my wanting to be more of my Archer self and he retreating into his shell. The more fiery I get the more insecure he feels. Hopefully we will be able to ride this one out.

I am tired of all the social double standards. Sometimes I will be clowing around liek the tomboy I am and face intense dispproval from my peers. I have observed males act out a lot more than I do, but when I do it is taken as a no no. I have two Sag girl friends, so you can imagine how crazy we get at times. I like being playful, wish it wouldn't annoy others as much as it does.

posted January 15, 2006 08:31 AM              

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted January 15, 2006 11:48 AM              

Thanks Pidua and PS, for the insight. Thats one thing I noticed, she is quiet independent.

I understand Men/Woman have to interact at office. Thats the reason I am in turmoil as I am bluring the line She must be of formal NORMAL type, just that I got some vibes which has put me into wrong line of thinking. Its not the Chauvinistic thought process, just the misconstruing of her actions by me. Hey I too support the Men/Women equality. Infact I really respect her for her professional attitude to work. She has been more professional than some of the male colleagues that I have got. She hardly brings her family life/issues (can't think if a Sagi would ever have personal issues in life ) at workplace. (I guess I mentioned some jealousy factor in me, however I was trying to relate it with current emotions of mine). Still it was good to know what you females think
Dunno when the work standards/treatment are equal for all, however I think it is improving at most places (better than some decades ago)

PS,
Good to know you are putting distance with ur co-worker and just being/treating him as a friend (I am also trying to do the same). Hope your current tension with ur Cancer fiancee gets over soon. Its just 15-20 days when Venus ends it Retro cycle. So things would be better.

Thanks again for reading and responding.

posted January 15, 2006 01:35 PM            

You are very insightful and wise to look at your relationship instead of allowing an outsider distract you. All to often people do that and when they do, they hurt the person they are with and the person they used as a distraction. All relationships have their rough patches, maybe you and Mr. Cancer can start some kind of new routine (they like that) where you have a date night once a week (or more if you can) and one week YOU pick the venue and the next week he picks it?

V- where do you live? For some reason, your words conjure up living in a different country (meaning not here in the states). I like the way you write.

A secret about most Saggie's... we hold ALOT in. I was having problems with my husband and separated from him while working at a very competitive biotech company out East. NO ONE (with the exception of one co-worker) knew I had moved out until 4 months down the road when they needed my new address information. People had no idea of my problems because I do not take them to work. Saggies can breeze by and smile even when they are shatttered inside from the pain of a failed relationship / sick family members..etc....

I know it is hard for you to have these feelings for your co-worker and not have an outlet. I had a co-worker in your situation at that same biotech company. He was thrilled when I was "on the market" again. I did not have any feelings for him at all (Virgo Sun / Cancer Moon / Virgo rising). He was too intense, but he was still a friend. He tried to push things and the situation got extremely ugly. That is why I try not to fish off the company dock.... LOL....

posted January 16, 2006 12:35 PM              

Pidua,
Yep, I am from East and not from states (where females still might not be treated at par, as compared to States). Its improving, with globalization
Very true, it would be hard to know the inner feelings of a Sagi as their smile can't fade from their faces. Thats another thing of someone like me getting attracted to a Sagi. Thanks for your comments on my writing.
Yeah, fishing at office can always turn into so called scandal. We shouldnˇ¦t forget someone important like Monica L (hope I got the right name and also you got what I meant).

posted January 16, 2006 12:39 PM              

I guess here we can't treat men/women equality, as there would be very few females (probably Sagis) who would mind/not bothered of such close proximity. I think male would always have greater sexual urges/drives as compared to females and I am not sure if this also should be treated in male/female equality domain. Male/female are bound to be unequal in such aspects when we consider such things like sexual urge. God has made them unequal physically and also emotionally. Like there are differences in Eastern and Western countries, there are natural differences between male/females. Like most females have compassion in their heart, that can’t be treated equally with a male compassion (vice-versa).
Again I am not saying females shouldn't interact like a male does, but there is ofcourse a boundary (though there are times the boundary might be crossed unknowingly - I guess this is where we might get a wrong signal). Don't take me wrongly, just trying to have a healthy discussion on natural differences. Also my case could be a stray case which can't be generalized

Also, would a sagi female openly say that she is wearing a new dress or she would like someone to acknowledge in some other way? The thing is today the Sagi female commented, in a group, that I was wearing a new shirt (which I definitely was not). My response was passive, however later I realized that she herself might have wore some new dress that someone should have acknowledged it. (though I am not 100% sure of her new dress as can't recollect if she had wore that one before, hence querying you )
The thing is, I feel the interactions with the Sagi colleague were (at 1 point and maybe now also) like a habit. I mean she has to ask me something or the other (like a habit... that if we don't talk for few hours, we feel something is missing), though she could get the answer for the question herself or maybe thru someone else (I could be wrong as I am the only one who is nearest to her in terms of seating arrangements). Besides a Sagi being so independent (as compared to other signs) should be able to get things done on their own. Once I had overheard from her that she makes a habit to ask her husband everything - something like giving importance and making him feel important. Probably this could be the case, however wanted to confirm from other Sagi females, whether they too ask for help oftenly, here and there. (I guess another reason for asking help is having interactions like if a child is made to sit quietly without doing anything, (s)he can't sit quietly for long time)

Definitely I light up with such interactions, however how about Sagi's. Would they get into a habit of interaction with particular person that they feel something amiss if they don't interact with that person (friend or someone for whom there might be a soft corner)?

I know lots of question, hope it also helps you two in understanding one's self. Definitely I am getting insight and would appreciate your help regarding understanding myself and the situation.

Thanks Bullhead for additional insight. Very true, my Sagi ascendant has also made me quiet independent in lot of things, though the family childhood life might also be another reason for making me an independent person and liking for freedom.

Hey Dorkus, sorry for taking this thread on some tangential line

posted February 05, 2006 03:30 AM              

I sat down yesterday to think-n-think & analysis the relating problem with Sagi female. This is what I figured. The like-Hate (I don’t want to make it love-Hate) relating problem was due to 2 factors.

Hate (not exactly hate, probably jealous/inferiority complex) was due to peer competition at workplace. I think it is not woman equality thing, as I had sometimes felt similar thoughts cropping up for a fellow mate. Though nothing serious of getting these once in a while feelings, I am making sure that I take it positively with thoughts that my peers are growing and its my responsibility to encourage and appreciate them.

Liking, the outcome/reason is still unknown. Whether me taking it wrongly or just a Piscean getting to know certain things just by being over there (I won’t say Piscean intuition as this is something which I haven’t had luck with - at least haven’t come across instances which I can differentiate with normal logical thinking outcome or intuition outcome). I will be seeing her as a normal friend and not think too much into her interactions with me. I am making myself think that any softness from her is just due to my good nature at work and nothing more to take from it. Hope this along with Venus returning back to direct motion, turns my thoughts back to normal.

posted February 06, 2006 01:54 PM            

I think you are finally looking at it in the right context. The Sag woman may just be responding to you as a person. I will bet that you may be a bit shy, but you smile. You work hard, yet you are not someone that brags about what you do.

She notices that, she sees a good person in you and may even want to help bring you out of your shell. I have worked with very shy men that just needed a little reassurance or push to let them know that they were also a valued part of the team.

It may be like that teacher that realizes the quiet child is extremely intelligent, so she encourages him / her to come out of their shell a bit more. Does the child think the teacher has a sexual or romantic interest? No... they just enjoy the attention and the thought that someone cares.

posted February 06, 2006 02:20 PM              

Sagi's can see things like that if they really look. Perhaps he saw that when he met you....

I know though, that if you question the love, you could be in danger of losing him, because Sagis usually (though they will give a person many chances) don't keep wasting time on people who dont believe them.

As far as Sagi's cheaping, I think its more like they become bored with the person they are with, Usually because of what i said above, the disbelief in their visions, and because they are such a inviting sign, usually someone else will SEE the Magic they hold and that sparks their attention or gives them a excuse to cheat or just leave the person they are with.

I think If you just believe him, all will work out fine. You've already been told or its been confirmed that he tells others that he has found the ONE...come on NEO!!! lol

posted February 08, 2006 03:12 PM              

And I am smiling at the teacher-child relation. Difficult for a grown up person, still trying it hard to take it in right context.

Yepp, everything seems to be karmic teaching. Just that its tough going through the learning process.
Hmm strong internally ….oh yeah now I am realizing that is it the Piscean inner strength which makes them look so passive & detached/cool.

posted February 08, 2006 03:58 PM            

LOL... I wasn't trying to say that she is literally the teacher and you are literally the child. It is more of an example.

I have worked with senior staff members that were quiet, yet well versed in what they were doing. Sometimes the bosses don't see that because NO ONE is really rooting for them. The loud ones seems to get the credit. When I see something special in a person, I try to let others know.. so that person is recognized and not passed over.

Remember, more evolved Saggies do look for that cause.. that underdog, so to speak, to help out because we want others to see what we see.

Even in a social setting I like to see people being included in the group and will often leave a noisy crowd in order to speak with the quiet person in the corner.

If she is going out of her way to compliment you in front of people, whether it is your clothes or skills, please take that as a compliment.

If you start to take it the wrong way or never return her compliment with a thank you, you will lose her as a friend.

I have seen many times here when a person posts topic after topic asking the same question again and again "Did the Sag really mean this? Or if he / she says she loves me do they really love me?"

I can guarantee it is EXACTLY how Thorshammer put it... keep doubting us or keep questioning our intentions and we'll no longer be in your corner. We'll go somewhere else where we are appreciated for caring and trying to help.

Now that said, I know we can also be the horses rear end. Sometimes we get ahead of ourselves and at times, the younger more unevolved Saggies will flirt with the idea of love, but not really fall into the deep long lasting love that accepts everything... Know what I mean? We love as much as we can for that time in our lives, but sometimes it is not that enduring love that can last forever.

I had a relationship with a Taurus that had one crisis after another. He sucked all my energy and it kept pushing me away. He kept playing games and wouldn't see my "magic" or give me credit for the support I gave to him.

I walked... gone.. I don't even care to look back. We are like that. I gave him one last chance (and like Thorshammer said.. we do give many chances) then finally I said 'No MORE!!! I am better off without you even in my life as a friend"

posted February 09, 2006 11:35 AM              

I am trying to make myself to take it as objectively as I can and not force myself to behave unnaturally either ways. Thanks for all the insight.

Yeah, I understand your case … sometimes relationships just don’t turn how one wants them to be and requires the nurturing & care from both ends. Hope both of you have overcome the hurt and have peace & love at heart.

Hey Planet_Soul, how is it turning out for you.

posted February 09, 2006 03:13 PM              

Pidaua, that makes all the sense in the world to me. I am always in a relationship where the guy takes advantage of how good I am to them. When I am gone they wish they could have me back. Every ex I have had always tells me the same thing, “They wish they would have treated me better, and had that second chance.” Every one of them (not that many like three ex-s)