posted January 11, 2006 03:19 AM              

i had another question....unrelated i guess. he doesn't seem to know what he wants to do with his life which doesn't bother me in itself, but when i ask him what he would like to do he gets irritated. he's got to get his ged first before college, and he just says he wants to take it one step at a time and not think about it. maybe he feels uncomfortable or afraid when it comes to this sort of thing. he has saturn in 3rd like me, which could mean difficulty learning or in education. i struggled in school a bit and i rememeber how frustrated i got at times. how could i encourage him or should i leave it alone?

posted January 11, 2006 11:47 AM              

I am talking to a Scorp/Sag moon, Venus & Neptune and its been 2 weeks and already we like each other a lot. I know we both want to take it slow but already I am itching for a committment (security) and he's dying to have sex with me. We are both cautious yet impatient. I gotta pace myself cause I get attached quickly (Cancer moon).

posted January 11, 2006 01:14 PM              

"are sags really so quick to fall in love? especially sag sun with sag venus. how the heck does that work?"

i have sag sun, sag venus, sag neptune

posted January 11, 2006 02:24 PM              

good question.

Im currently wih a Sun, Merc and Venus Sag. Now Ive read and digested all about the stereotypical Sag man.I just moved in with him too. Very risky of me, but then I do have a Sag ascendant and an impetuous personality.

He has told me he loves me and he knows he loves me more than I love him. Not true...but thats the extent of his passion for me. Yay me!

posted January 11, 2006 07:33 PM            

Sag Sun
Moon in Aries
Venus in Sag
Mars in Pisces
Virgo rising.

No, I do not fall in love quickly.. I do develop a quick interest though because I can zone in on the qualities I like. I am not as rash as my Archer brothers, but I can see myself or not see myself with someone in the future.

I also do not tell someone I love them right off the bat or within a month unless I am absolutely consummed by them. Even then, they usually make that move and I find myself caught up in the whirlwind (at times).

With my ex Taurus fiance it took him about 4 hours on our first date to tell me he was in love with me. I held out.. for 4 days LMAO....

Still... love is different that in love. I love many things and many people. Sometimes a Sag is so overwhelmed with the happiness of being with that person.. that it feels like love.

There is no mistake in the analysis of a Sag that states " Our friendship is often mistaken for love and our love is often mistaken as friendship... then again we often mistake friendship for love and love for friendship... "

I am always leery of a Sag that falls head over heels and runs with it, but every so often our arrow hits the mark.

What you can do to test it is be honest, up front and even ask for a break. Let both parties sit down and think about the feelings before making that step and getting caught up in the "love".

Then again.. the first time I ever fell in love (not a crush) but that real wonderful love, was with my ex-hubby the Virgo.

posted January 14, 2006 02:56 AM              

And just a day before I was telling my Sagi friend how direct he is in his love approaches. He too had lots of crushes. And few times, when he tried to make the crush more than a crush, it was a direct confronting encounter. I mean he doesn't know the gal, however he just starts the matter directly with love (even marriage in one case)... no intermediate friendship step for him

Maybe that’s why your Sage told you, he loves you within first few weeks. His liking for you might be love for him (However I guess it might be same situation for all, love comes out from liking, over a period of time .. more and more liking converting to love)

Also surprisingly the above Sage friend was afraid of coming down a water slide in a water park (I thought they loved exciting sports) . He went up and came down the steps after sitting at the top long long time

4 other friends (not very close) - 3 are still not involved in love (atleast not known to me). 4th one was not so interested in gals in college time, at his workplace got involved with a gal and soon got married.

Dorkus, I guess Sagi's love independence, so better leave the matter (where he wants to be in life) passively (i.e. don't force or directly confront the question on him).

posted January 14, 2006 02:58 AM              

Pidaua,
**There is no mistake in the analysis of a Sag that states " Our friendship is often mistaken for love and our love is often mistaken as friendship... then again we often mistake friendship for love and love for friendship... " **
It is very similar to my current situation with a Sagi colleague (married), don't know why I am mistaking myself and getting attracted to her (not love - scary thought for me, as don't want to have such a relation with her). I can clearly see that her interaction is same with all male colleagues (nothing less/nor more0) and still I get wrong notions (Am fighting hard myself to just release me out of this situation).
The relation is kind of 'like-hate' one, from my end. I try avoiding interacting with her (with intention of not wanting to have any kind of relation as being a Piscean I easily get swept off), at the same time felt bad when she interacts (normal interaction) with other fellas. I want to be ignored, so that relation doesn't go anywhere, at the same time feel bad that I am ignored … ? human emotions
Also with her I even sometimes get jealousy feelings that she is doing well (on career front). Don't know where this jealousy factor in me, is coming from (Have never been troubled by it). (I know I have posted something similar on the Sagi colleague in other posts and am doing it again out here out of context of the topic )
The Sagi nature of showing that they love the whole world is causing my mind world to be in turmoil. Hope everything settles down for good.
Also this Sagi female doesn’t like sad songs, whenever I play some good sad meaningful songs she comments to play something better - Sagi nature

posted January 14, 2006 04:45 AM              

Pidaua,
He's a Virgo rising too, like myself, plus a Cappy Moon. I think it's interesting what you said about Sags for mistaking love for friendship. In just the short time I've known him, we've sort have been consumed with each other.

In fact he says I'm his best friend. What's interesting though, is he's got 5 planets in Sag but is a textbook ISTJ (for those of you who follow Myers Briggs typology.)
Here is a description:
responsible, planner, private, loner tendencies, perfectionist, organized, detail oriented, organized, would rather be friendless than jobless, realistic, observer, clean, focused, does not talk about feelings, finisher, punctual, private, does not appreciate strangeness, not adventurous, not spontaneous, follows the rules, dutiful, avoids mistakes, conventional, likes solitude, insensitive to the hardships of others, prepared, anti-tattoos, things rules are important, cautious, security seeking, prepares for worst case scenarios, logical, analytical, does not accept apologies easily, hard working
Sounds very Cappy to me?

On the other hand I'm an INFP which is exactly the opposite (creative, smart, idealist, loner, attracted to sad things, disorganized, avoidant, can be overwhelmed by unpleasant feelings, prone to quitting, prone to feelings of loneliness, ambivalent of the rules, solitary, daydreams about people to maintain a sense of closeness, focus on fantasies, acts without planning, low self confidence, emotionally moody, can feel defective, prone to lateness, likes esoteric things, wounded at the core, feels shame, frequently losing things, prone to sadness, prone to dreaming about a rescuer, disorderly, observer, easily distracted, does not like crowds, can act without thinking, private, can feel uncomfortable around others, familiar with the darkside, hermit, more likely to support marijuana legalization, can sabotage self, likes the rain, sometimes can't control fearful thoughts, prone to crying, prone to regret, attracted to the counter culture, can be submissive, prone to feeling discouraged, frequently second guesses self, not punctual, not always prepared, can feel victimized, prone to confusion, prone to irresponsibility, can be pessimistic)

posted January 14, 2006 12:30 PM              

Me being a Piscean and getting the attention from her, has caused lots of unwanted thoughts and inner turmoil. I sometimes feel she being married with a kid, should be more responsible, but then if she doesn't have anything in her mind, with similar behaviour for all the guys then how can I expect someone to change their nature (which means I need to do all the hardwork of fighting with myself to get away from such a relation or removing such unwanted thoughts).
My mind is full of all kinds of thoughts, like - what to make out of relation, how to avoid it, what she might be thinking, would behaving with her in un-natural way lead to added attraction n all - All of these has affected my work. Once she is in office, I can't make myself fully concentrate. I just keep hoping that our sitting places change or she goes on long long leave or I take on some work which doesn't involve her interaction with me or I go away on a long business trip (never to return ).
Infact yesterday we (office colleagues) had gone on a day picnic. I was literally avoiding her and am still not sure if it would have looked odd for her. And also its embarassing for me to think that she knows that I am attracted to her and acting oddly with her. So again I decide to act normally, like you said acting nice to him and then totally igonre him. Its like pull-push situation (2 edged knife).
And if both of us know the situation from their end but not sure of what other person thinks/feels, it becomes difficult to handle the situation as both can't talk freely and come out it to end such an attraction. I sometimes feel the next time it goes beyond normal friendly interaction (like she being physically close on some pretext - genuine or non-genuine), I should take this up by having a proper 1-1 conversation. However I fear that if I find during this conversation she doesn't have any attractions then the situation becomes hard on me. Also, I think, openly confronting it, again might lead us both to be more close, as now our minds are more opened up with heart-heart discussion. Sigh ...

You know there is another colleague who knew her way before I knew her, also had soft corner and was attracted to her. Luckily her interactions with him are not beyond normal ones.

I understand, it would be a terrible feeling especially when you are already having a relation. These human emotions come without reasons, like some unseen force is trying to cause them.
Dunno where you Saggi gals are taking us guys on ride kidding ...however do take care of what signals others get from your interactions with them, especially when one is already engaged/married.
So what do you think of your colleague, I mean is he attracted to you or did you get some signals of the same from his end? Is it just that you don't want to be emotional with the guy, because you are already engaged OR is it due to the reason that he is from your workplace?
Also do Sagi females fall (not literal sense) for some guy who is not so interested in them like others, and take it as a challenge to open that guy up and get that guys attention on to oneself or it is something else?

Hope your situation turns better for good.

posted January 14, 2006 01:32 PM            

Hey..don't give up on us Archer ladies LOL... Pisces are just as much a conundrum for us ...

Yes, we can settle down. I told a Taurus that I was dating that what people don't realize about me (or most of us Archer Ladies) is that we DO believe in the fairy tale. We do believe that we will fall for someone and live happily ever after AND we are NOT afraid of the work that goes into it. In my own relationships, once I got past the fear of the possibility of losing my independance, I put 110% percent into it.

Male Friends? YES YES YES YES... I am surrounded by MEN... straight, gay or bi..whatever.. I just seem to get along well with men. I see them as an equal since most (and other ladies of the Zodiac.. please don't take this wrong) females are not going to have the stamina that I have when I go out. It's funny because I was talking to a Scorp male friend of mine and the other line beeped.. it was an old friend from Texas (male Sag) that I hadn't talked to in a while.. then another male called.. the Scorp says "Can I ask you a question? Are all your friends male or is it my imagination?" LMAO

I am extremely feminine,but also strong and I love having a good time. I grew up with a very strong, Cappy Sun father and Sag bro - my dad is retired law enforcement. We spent tons of time outdoors, playing sports, camping, hiking, visiting new areas. My brother is an extreme sports kind of guy and I am more social / sporty. I love being outdoors and around animals. (my mom is more of the homebody Cancer and although she loves to travel.. Cruise ships are more her thing).

Where I live now, I can walk down to the corner bar and see a bunch of my male friends to watch Monday night football. My best Sag friend in the world is a dude and his partner is a Taurus. We close the bars down (not in a drunk mental kind of way.. but we both end up singing Karaoke and talking to our friends / tourists).

Men offer me a certain type of friendship in that there are no frills. Aries, Leo and Sag women are still ruled under the masculinity of Fire. Sometimes we just can't get into the gossip and cattiness that some women feed into. It is boring. Hell, I would rather strut into Monday night football at St. Elmo's, have a few beers, laugh and hollar - than spend 4 hours in the mall with two of my girl-friends trying on ever damn skirt in the place. UGH!!! Besides... I like the way the boys look at me when I walk into the bar LMAO... (Yes.. most of us Saggie ladies are a touch vain... they don't call us the Tawny Texan's of the Zodiac for nuthin!"

Yes, we do work with the community. I am a member of several organizations dealing with kids / current events.

That being said.... I think I can speak for most female Archers in that.. when we do commit we mean it. We will bring our mate into our world and at the same time we appreciate being with someone that can bring us back into reality.

My ex Taurus Sun / Virgo moon fiance was more even keeled and a homebody. I didn't mind as much since I do have a 4th house sun. But there were times I felt chained to the house, he loved my presence but I would get BORED. Now that he wants to get back together he is willing to make some compromises. Such as understanding that should I get back together and move to Texas I will still be active in the organization that I belong to here (but in TX of course).

One thing I have found.. and Planet and other Saggie ladies maybe you can help me with this one...

posted January 14, 2006 02:54 PM            

You asked about colleagues... well that is a slippery slop. I have dated colleagues before - most often the males to NOT take my openness as me hitting on them. My background is Science / Business... etc.. and in our world Men and Women HAVE to interact and it is highly inappropriate for one to blur that line.

Also, some men (and even women) will take certain interactions the wrong way. If your Sag comes up to men, makes eye contact and tells a few jokes.. hey, that is NORMAL.. she is saying "hey, we are all equals here".

If she singles you out and asks to have lunch and looks deep into your eyes.. well, hell, she is giving you the signal that she wants you.. I think that she is more of the former personality type.

Also.. judging her interactions (her assertiveness) and applying it to the type of wife / mother she is, is ABSOLUTE Bullcrap!!!... You are feeding into the Chauvenistic thought process that women have been fighting all along (if indeed you are miscontruing her actions).

Why it is a man can interact with men colleagues, slap them on the back and tell a racy joke and all is well. A woman does that and she is "loose"?

The worst job I ever had (co-worker wise) was when I worked with a ton of women. It was a damn estrogen fest and my female boss was a megalomaniac consummed with herself and her looks. She hated younger women that were assertive and good looking. In fact she said to me "Pidaua, you are extremely attractive and very intelligent / knowledgeable and that will bother many people here". Can you believe that crap?

Her ugly henchwoman started a rumor about me saying I was in a sexual relationship with a State official.. and get this.. BECAUSE I was heard laughing with him on THE PHONE!!! I treat everyone the same, whether they have a penis or not and some people cannot handle that. In this situation I was called immoral, loose and accused of cheating on my then-fiance. It was an absolute lie.. But if that official had been a female or if I had been male.. NO PROBLEM.

So please.... sit back and objectively look at the situation and her actions.

BTW... sad songs bore me too LOL.... I have to be in the mood to listen to them and prefer upbeat happy stuff

Dorkus...