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alanabelle86
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posted January 15, 2006 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who has more faith when it comes to the relationship? And I mean faith in the relationship ITSELF..not so much in each other or in the personality (like being a faithful person)?

I ask because I have Venus in Scorpio in my 1st house...and my boyfriend has his Venus in Sagittarius in the 3rd house. And I started out with 200% faith in us, even though we started out much rockier than we are now. And now, that we're pretty much.. perfect, I feel myself losing faith and I find myself confused about what I've always known, and that's been that I love him. And I DO love him with all my heart, and I never want to leave him. But it's like..I'm pushing him away, and being so nasty to him and I have no idea why.

I know i've got abandonment issues, however, it's like I literally PUSH him away and want him to leave. and its so cruel and I've gotten better but I mean it's insane. It's happening with everyone I know

It's like this overwhelming desire to be close but NOT too close to anyone or anything at the moment. And he's so clingy.

I've always thought Venus in Sag in the 3rd wasn't clingy and that I would be, but we're so opposite. I pray for days that he wont call, or that he doesn't ask me to visit cuz I want alone time...yet he constantly needs to be no more than 2 inches away from me.


It's odd...i didn't know if it was a Venus (1st house) thing withthe whole independence thing..or what. I was also thinking because he's got his natal Moon conj. Jupiter in the 5th house.. that it makes him exceptionally needy esp when it comes to love etc.


Here's our Composite info...
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Ascendant 13 Libra
Sun 27 Scorpio 2nd house
Moon 7 Scorpio 1st house
Mercury 29 Scorpio 2nd house
Venus 1 Sagittarius 2nd house
Mars 20 Sagittarius 3rd house
Jupiter 29 Aquarius 5th house
Saturn 5 Sagittarius 2nd house
Uranus 19 Sagittarius 3rd house
Neptune 3 Capricorn 3rd house
Pluto 6 Scorpio 1st house
NN 29 Aries 7th house
Chiron 16 Gemini 9th house

any ideas or Comments...I'd prefer some Scorpio/Sag Venuses esp. ...I'm very confused

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Libra Rising, Scorpio Sun, Leo Moon

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whiterabbit
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posted January 15, 2006 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects do you have to your Venus, natally? That may give us a clue to why you are feeling this way.

Also, on a non-astrological note, it is fairly normal to go through a period like this, no matter what your Venus sign. Most of us go through a phase where we need to detach from everybody for a while, have some time alone.

ALSO- the Venus retrograde seems to be doing funny things to everybody- would you say these feelings began around Christmas?
If so, wait until the beginning of February and see if you feel any better/different (Venus goes direct on the 3rd, I believe)

And finally,
I have noticed that Scorpio placements (Sun,Moon,Venus especially) often bring a strange paradox into an individual-
incredible intensity of feeling but also a need to detach when the other person is equally as, or more "involved" than you.
Also, you metioned "having faith" when things were difficult but now that they have settled down and become comfortable you are not so sure any more..
I've noticed Scorpios often feel that the only things which are valuable to have are those that they need to struggle for- it seems like it's the only way they can trust the value of anything..even a relationship.

Could it be any of those thing?


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pixelpixie
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posted January 15, 2006 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whiterabbit, I agree with that statement... The idea that when someone feels more than I do, I balk and want to push them away.. and I feel to struggle is more challenging I suppose...
Hard to put into words, exactly, more a feeling and experiences I have been having of late.

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GemStar
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posted January 15, 2006 03:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also...check to see if Saturn in Leo is squaring your natal Venus in Scorpio at the moment. This transit would also lend towards the feelings you are experiencing at this time.

GemStar

PS-And with both Venus and Saturn retrograde, you may be feeling a double whammy of energy at the moment if Saturn is squaring your n. Venus.

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posted January 15, 2006 04:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
alanabelle86 -

I think a Venus in Sag in the 3rd WOULD be have a little more of a detached style when it comes to romance, than a Venus in Scorpio in the 1st. But look at your Composite! Sun, Moon, Mercury & Pluto in Scorpio, some in the 1st House!

It may not be HIM you are acting weird towards, but the dynamics of the relationship itself. I think those with strong Scorpio influences tend to react to the dynamics of a relationship more than with the actual person, once they decide they want to get involved. This is because Scorpio Rules sex, plus it needs to have a certain feeling of being in control.

Perhaps you feel the relationship itself is taking over!

And if HE is feeling more needy than he has normally felt in the past, again, it may be the Composite pulling him in with all that Scorpio.

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sthenri
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posted January 15, 2006 04:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dated an Aqua with Venus in the 1st and he would need a lot of alone time, so I kind of left him alone for good.

Maybe you have other things to think about besides the relationship and so when you are with him too much it makes you feel you are losing your identity? If you can express that to him in a sensitive way, it will help. Mention metaphors, how you need to feel you are driving that train, or king of your own castle, or alone to be lazy.

Encourage him to make plans in his life too, look to his career and be supportive. Are some of his plans for both of you too much for you to handle?

An easy way to fix this is to use the we word more often, in that YOU use it first before he has a chance to talk. We could go to a movie on Thursday so I can be alone to study/work on Wednesday.

Does that work? (you may be doing this already)

When a man feels too close to me it's usually a 3rd house influence. It's because he will talk about things that you feel uncomfortable about.

Does he bring up certain subjects that you would rather not touch? some communication is necessary about the way you two talk to each other. sounds like verbal clinging rather than physical, is this right?

Natasha

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alanabelle86
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posted January 15, 2006 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natally, I have Venus conj. Pluto and Mercury, trine Jupiter, square Moon and Mars.

I was thinking maybe I'm feeling it a little bit more strongly than he is. I have 4 natal planets in Scorpio, with natal Pluto and Sun in my first house too. My progressed ASC is Scorpio as well...


that could be it. A lot of times I feel like if I'm not working hard for it, or not struggling for it, then something doesn't fit.


My natal Moon is in Leo, so it could very well be Saturn's conjunction to my moon, square to my Venus, and opposition to my Mars.

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also he DOES tend to bring up EVERYTHING i'd rather not talk about. he loves to pry and you know how plutonians feel about thair personal business...and he will never stop until he gets an answer..all he asks is why why WHY WHY WHY!!!

he's got 5 natal planets in the 3rd house.. drives me nuts sometimes...


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alanabelle86
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posted January 15, 2006 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here are his placements if anyone is wondering

Sun Sagittarius 2311'09 03 direct
Moon Aquarius 0636'14 05 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 0201'00 03 direct
Venus Sagittarius 1442'02 03 direct
Mars Scorpio 0016'12 02 direct
Jupiter Aquarius 1451'40 05 direct
Saturn Sagittarius 0318'58 03 direct
Uranus Sagittarius 1829'49 03 direct
Neptune Capricorn 0257'12 04 direct
Pluto Scorpio 0627'55 02 direct
True Node Taurus 0813'06 08 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Libra 0201'46


thats my sadge

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Lousianagrl
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posted January 15, 2006 09:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh alanabelle~ He's a keeper

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shop22much
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posted January 15, 2006 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shop22much     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 15, 2006 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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good luck,
Stephen
Retrograde Venus in Scorpio (9th house)

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"My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. When Christ said that man does not live by bread alone, he spoke of a hunger. This hunger was not the hunger of the body. It was not the hunger for bread. He spoke of a hunger that begins deep down in the very depths of our being. He spoke of a need as vital as breath. He spoke of our hunger for love.
Love is something you and i must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it. We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens. Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.
With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others."
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