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Azalaksh
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posted January 23, 2006 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ran across a book on the Nodes tonite -- the chapters are 40 pages long for each sign the North Node resides in!!
From “Astrology for the Soul” by Jan Spiller

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North Node in Libra and the 7th house

Attributes to develop – work in these areas can help uncover hidden gifts and talents:
Cooperation
Diplomacy and tact
Increasing awareness of others’ needs
Selflessness: giving support without expecting reciprocity
Creating win/win situations
Sharing
Seeing things through another’s eyes
Communicating self-identity

Tendencies to leave behind – working to reduce the influence of these tendencies can help make life easier and more enjoyable:
Impulsiveness
Thoughtless self-assertion
Lack of awareness of others’ needs for support
Self-centeredness
Selfishness
Lack of good judgment regarding money
Expecting others to be like oneself
Indifference to how one is seen by others
Resistance to compromise
Outbursts of anger
Overconcern with survival

The Achilles’ heel Libra North Node people need to be aware of is selfishness (“My survival depends on looking out for myself first, and others should make sure my needs are met regardless of anyone else’s concerns”). But it’s a bottomless pit: if they feel that others have to constantly fill their needs for them to feel safe and connected, they will find that they always need more attention and energy just to feel okay. They need to find partners whom they can give to, who will feel so energized that they naturally fill Libra North Node’s cup in appreciation. Satisfaction lies in connecting with people who see them for who they are, appreciate them, and want to give back to them.

The trap they need to avoid is an unending search for independence (“If I can just be self-sufficient enough, I’ll have the confidence to relate successfully with others and I won’t feel so lonely”). Life has shown Libra North Node people that accomplishments and independence do not make them feel complete. The bottom line is that they’ll never feel a strong enough sense of self to become part of a team. At some point they need to take the risk of losing themselves in supporting another person. The irony is that once they start unselfishly suppoting someone else, they begin to feel the joy and glory of their true self shining through.


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posted January 23, 2006 02:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love you Zala! I wanted to buy that book but you just saved us all the trouble!

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Azalaksh
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posted January 23, 2006 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwww, Og
The chapters are about 40 pages long -- any specific areas you interested in?? There's sections for the Overview (what's posted above) -- What These People Really Want/Talents-Profession, Personality -- Warrior Attributes/Narcissism/Making Judgments/The Rules/Projection, Needs -- Approval/Confidence in Relationships/Acceptance/Harmony, Relationships -- Lack of Experience/Fears/Giving From the Heart vs Keeping Score/Karmic Patterns/Interdependence, Goals -- Experiencing Expanded Identity/Teamwork, and even a Healing Theme Song

Let me know if you're interested in any of those subsections above, and I'll copy it in

'Z

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posted January 23, 2006 04:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Zala, If you have the time would you kindly post the Relationships subsection? The Libra nodes are crying for relationships but SN Aries keeps pulling us away! lol

Merci Madame Z!

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posted January 23, 2006 04:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its ok Zala, I got the essence from the basic outline, plus there is a lot of other info on the web. I thought Jan Spiller may have written something absolutely different and new.

My question to Jan and any expert on Nodes would be, what happens when one fulfills the North Node conditions and eliminates the South Node characteristics?

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posted January 23, 2006 09:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala, I'm interested in a few subtopics if it isn't asking too much. I'd like Experience/Fears/Giving From the Heart vs Keeping Score/Karmic Patterns/Interdependence when you get a chance. Thanks

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posted January 23, 2006 11:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure North Node in Libra in 10 House fairs in relationships and Career?

(Does the House also matters or above thing is true for only 7 house)

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posted January 23, 2006 11:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Akalaksh - thank you for posting that.

whenever you have the moment - if you don't mind - i'm interested in

What These People Really Want/Talents-Profession, Personality –

Warrior Attributes/Narcissism/Making Judgments/The Rules/Projection, Needs

and

Experiencing Expanded Identity/Teamwork, and even a Healing Theme Song

"(“My survival depends on looking out for myself first, and others should make sure my needs are met regardless of anyone else’s concerns”

I agree on the "my survival depends on looking out for myself first" part even though that never really happens.......it always seems like everybody else comes first before i could even think about what looking out for myself first truly means to me.........aka, what i want. the rest i don't agree with/i've not said, the "others should make sure of my needs" part because of:

"(“If I can just be self-sufficient enough, I’ll have the confidence to relate successfully with others and I won’t feel so lonely”"

VERY TRUE way of thinking for this north-node libra which limits most of my relationships or has contributed in building that "wall".

there IS a never-ending search for independence.


"At some point they need to take the risk of losing themselves in supporting another person"

grrrrrrrr, yup.

what house do the rest of you have your north node in libra/south node in aries?

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Azalaksh
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posted January 23, 2006 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Villy ~

Read the NN in Capricorn/10th house thread

NM, Kay Libra, Amisha (and Og )
I'm putting together the rest of the chapter right now, I'll try to get it posted in its entirety.....

'Z

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posted January 23, 2006 12:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hunk,

You asked:

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My question...would be, what happens when one fulfills the North Node conditions and eliminates the South Node characteristics?

It all depends on what your beliefs are: if you are a Buddhist, for example, you would become a Buddha and have the opportunity to be transferred to another astral plane of existence! However, for the REST of us, we NEED the past in order to build our future. So we do not "eliminate" the South node, but build our awareness out from it, using the easily learned lessons of the South node to move, step by step, towards our North node.

In this sense, the North node is not simply a "goal" to be achieved, it is a way of life which needs constant maintaining. Once we attain a North node goal we can set a new, more challenging North node goal. In this way we continue to grow and develop in our lives, constantly setting out and overcoming increasingly challenging North node opportunities, while always remembering that the power and strength of our North node is powered by our South node abilities.

Nodally,

Tim

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posted January 23, 2006 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zala!!! Would you be so kind to list the info for NNAries 3rd..? just the overview would be fine and The Rules sound interesting as well.... whenever you have time

Thanks so much!!!

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Azalaksh
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posted January 23, 2006 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stargazer ~

The Overview of NN in Aries is waaaayyyyyy down the topics-page, I started with that one

'Zala

PS: For the NN in 3rd house interp, read the Gemini thread and synthesize the two.....

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posted January 23, 2006 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Zala!!!1 just saw that (blushes)!

Was coming back here to edit....

Must be that dang Aries moon again!!!

Thanks again!!! I always enjoy your posts

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posted January 23, 2006 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NM, Kay Libra, villy, amisha ~

Here's Part 1 of 3 of your chapter

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WHAT THESE PEOPLE REALLY WANT
What these people really want is to be their own person, to be the center of attention, to discover themselves in different life situations, and to surround themselves with people who feed them energy. To achieve this, Libra North Node people need to refocus their attention away from themselves and discover the nature of the people who have been drawn to them. Once they discern which people truly admire them and want to support them, and once they begin to feed those people energy, the energy that comes back to them will create the situation they want.

TALENTS/PROFESSION
These people are fantastic counselors, diplomats, and peacemakers. They have the gift of clearly seeing and successfully communicating the identity and concerns of person A to person B (and vice versa) in a way that prompts mutual understanding and fair, harmonious compromises. Libra North Node people also excel in fields involving beauty and art, and they make great entertainers or public speakers when their goal is to uplift, energize, and bring confidence to their audience. They are extremely gifted and can be successful—both materially and personally—in any profession involving i supportive role.
Libra North Node people have innate gifts of independence and leadership through their awareness of themselves as separate entities. When they use their past-life gift of self-confidence as a tool for peacemaking and helping establish justice for others, their innate abilities create positive results. However, if they pursue professions that have their own independence as the aim, they may become dissatisfied and feel they have never reached their igoal. When they use their strong self-identity to support others, Libra North Node people gain a sense of inner satisfaction and completion.

HEALING AFFIRMATIONS SPECIFIC
TO LIBRA NORTH NODE

"When I focus on supporting others, I feel confident."
"When I successfully stimulate self-confidence in others, we both win."
"When the team is successful, I win."
"When I share with others, I have more."

PERSONALITY

WARRIOR ATTRIBUTES
Lifetimes of personal achievement, self-sufficiency, and independent action result in a consciousness that is unaware of team effort and partnership. Libra North Node people have had too many incarnations enacting the role of the warrior. A warrior on the battlefield isn't concerned about anyone else, only with staying alive and killing the enemy. If he even glances at a comrade, his body can be destroyed. Thus, his entire consciousness is geared toward himself: his body, his fighting ability, his position relative to survival.
These people now have an exaggerated survival urge and a "me versus you" mentality. It's all they know. They are competitive, goal oriented, and tactical, always aware of how they will be affected by what they do or by what's going on. They yearn to be with others, to love others and to feel loved, but they don't know how. They are afraid to release their strong grip on their sense of self, because they fear "the battle" may begin at any time and they must be strong and on their guard to survive.
But these folks need to recognize that this is not a warrior lifetime. No one is out to destroy them or take things away from them. They need to notice that there are comrades on all sides. Their job in this lifetime is to help others win battles; and in helping others, Libra North Node people win.
Throughout all those warrior lifetimes, these folks lost touch with love, with the ability to work with other people. Thus, they came into this lifetime feeling awkward about cooperation and relating to others. But they shouldn't worry, because their entire chart is set up to reconnect with people. As long as they are clear about where they're going, old habits won't get in their way. In fact, this entire lifetime is about partnership for them—and there will be no lack of opportunity to get it straight, because opportunities for marriages and partnerships will come to them easily.

RUGGED DISCIPLINE
Owing to past-life warrior experiences, Libra North Node people have developed a "no questions asked—no nonsense" discipline that is foreign to those in other nodal groups. Their past lives in the military stressed orderliness with dress and personal possessions, so these folks come into this incarnation valuing organization in their environments and in their lives. They have a strong tolerance for discipline and harsh limitations, and they think others should be willing to endure the same punishment and deprivation. It's hard for them to understand when others won't accept the same restraints and sacrifices that they are willing to shoulder—a factor that undermines their relationships.
No other nodal group has the same capacity for taking constructive action under conditions of strict personal discipline and deprivation. Actually, Libra North Node people thrive on the challenge of personal survival alder adverse circumstances. It's a "high" for them! The intense drama of striving to reach a goal through personal sacrifice, harnessing their resources, being put to the test, and emerging victorious gives them a sense of personal validation.
These folks have such a strong sense of self that they imagine everyone is just like them, and subconsciously, they are looking for someone who is just like them to be their partner. They can become very frustrated and feel shortchanged when the other person does not exhibit the same qualities.
One of the lessons Libra North Node people are learning in this lifetime is the beauty of individual differences. Who they are and what they have to offer in a relationship may be very different from who the other person is and what he or she has to offer. The challenge is to pay attention to individual differences and to appreciate the strengths that others bring to the relationship. For this to occur, they first must re-examine their definition of strength. Owing to so many incarnations spent in the warrior mode, their definition of strength usually includes only the following: courage, intense effort, willingness to sacrifice and endure deprivation, 100 percent goal-focused orientation, insistence on immediate results, discipline, impulsive initiative (the hero mentality), high-energy modes, and willingness to take personoal risks.
Yet there are other strengths that these folks do not have that partners may bring into their lives. These include the ability to appreciate the process of reaching the goal (which can slow down Libra North Node people and give them more staying power); communication skills (which can create rapport and understanding); empathy (which can make Libra North Node people finally feel like they belong); playfulness (which can make the process of reaching a goal enjoyable); analytical abilities and a capacity for adventure; managerial skills; creativity and inventiveness; and the capacity for compassion (which can heal Libra North Node people). In this incarnation, Libra North Node people need to partner with others for success and fulfillment. To receive the benefits of partnership, their challenge is to appreciate how others are different from them.

TEMPER OUTBURSTS
Libra North Node people have a penchant for angry outbursts, which they must learn to leave behind. They have a temper like that of a child. When they don't get their way, they throw a tantrum to force the other person to go along with them. If the other person resists, they escalate the situation until they get their way. However, creating win/lose situations does not work for these folks. In the long run, such situations only isolate them from the very people with whom they want to be close. When they "win" by getting their way at another's expense, they pay the price — the other person will close down and withdraw, not wanting to be vulnerable to such violent tactics. Libra North Node people may emerge all smiles, totally unaware of the damage they have done to the other person. They think the other person should be happy for them because, after all, they did "win." They will experience
many bitter lessons until they learn that nobody wins through intimidation and temper. Victories won by attacking others result in those people not wanting to be involved with Libra North Nodes anymore, and thereafter the mutual exchange, energy, and admiration that these folks so covet vanish from their relationships.

DECISION MAKING
These folks tend to be swift decision makers. They are accustomed to immediate action, since they take only themselves and their own goals into account. They are usually unaware of their effect on other people, and without realizing it they may use people to further their own goals. This has bad repercussions for Libra North Node people, however, because it's very painful for others.
When these folks make decisions without allowing other people to support them, they may fail to get the things they want because they have discounted the benefit of others' energies and ideas. Before taking action, they should remember to consciously include others in the decision-making processes. Part of their reluctance to include others comes from the former battlefield mentality that "people are basically against me." Much of this false thinking can be resolved through an understanding of proper communication — how to check in with others in a way that is mutually beneficial. I once had a client with this nodal position who confessed to me: "I'm so busy working on my marriage by myself that I can't see my husband, I can't hear him, I don't know who he is!" It would be much easier for these folks to just check in with the other person.
Lack of consideration in decision-making can cause Libra North Node people a lot of unnecessary pain. They may be so afraid of not getting their way that they are ruthless in campaigning for what they want. They may fear that if they hesitate for a moment to engage another person in making plans, the other person will block their course of action. What they don't understand is that considering others does not mean abandoning their agenda. It does mean caring about the other person's concerns and being willing to work toward a compromise that satisfies both parties.
For example, I had a client who was in a relationship with a Libra North Node native. They had been living together monogamously for nearly a year. One day the Libra North Node said he had to leave and would be back late that night. She was very intuitive and got a psychic picture that caused her to say: "David — you're going to make love to somebody else!" He became angry with her (these folks don't lie easily, and they tend to get upset when they are caught). She started asking questions, trying to understand what was going on, but he was so intent on his goal that he refused to take the time to talk with her. He didn't want to be late for his appointment with the other woman, so he left the matter unresolved. Hours later he called her with profuse apologies: He had made a mistake, he loved her, she was the only one for him, it would never happen again. But it was too late — her heart had closed to him and she had already decided to leave.
According to my client, it was not the event that caused her heart to close, it was the way the Libra North Node had handled it. She couldn't forgive that he did not care enough about her feelings to talk out the situation with her. When these folks close themselves to input from their partners, everyone loses.

SURVIVAL
Libra North Node people can be overly concerned with survival, but in this lifetime such a focus is inappropriate. They've already learned how to survive; now they are here to help other people, to infuse them with the energy and confidence that will make the others stronger. In giving, the Libra North Node people gain tremendous self-confidence and peace.
These folks need to apply everything they learned as warriors and use it constructively in relationships with others. This means putting down their weapons and looking around to see how their comrades are doing. Does the person next to them need a pat on the back before going into battle? Their job is to empower other people to win. And no one is better equipped to help others win than Libra North Node.

NARCISSISM
Libra North Node people must guard against a tendency for narcissism. They put on a front of being in control and having qualities that others admire. Others give them compliments and they feel good, but they are always secretly afraid that who they really are and what they really like may counter to their projected image. Sometimes they gather people around them who are acceptable for their "look." For example, I had a client with this nodal position who was attracted to very heavy women, but he would never let any of his friends find out because he was afraid of their ridicule. He kept his real desire a secret because it didn't fit the image of himself he wanted to project.
These folks like it when others compliment their looks; so they act out what they think the desired stereotype is, and expect people to see this and feed their ego. Wanting to be attractive to others, they manipulate their image to be what they think will attract the other person. But this process prevents them from gaining a true sense of inner confidence through knowing that others love and accept them as they are. They will never learn this unless they take the risk of revealing themselves. Libra North Node people are in danger of indulging in self-love — and excluding others who could expand their true sense of security. They may have a tendency to be concerned only with their own happiness or fall victim to vanity — such as keeping themselves in prime physical condition for the purpose of winning the best that life has to offer. Their values can be naively superficial. But in this lifetime, they are scheduled to gain an expanded sense of their own soul by truly loving another person as much as they love themselves.

"ME FIRST!"
Overconcern with self, self-sufficiency, and self-preservation will function as Libra North Nodes' basic motivations until these folks become more conscious. They must consider who else is in the game. Often they don't even know who the other people are, because they're so used to focusing attention on themselves. Whenever they impulsively say "Me first!" other people pull away. But because of their natural counseling abilities (a gift given at birth to facilitate their transition from focusing on self to supporting others), people automatically confide in them. As they spend time listening to other people's problems, they wonder if they are getting their "fair share." If they're not, they think they are being used. Then they resentfully push people away.
Everything depends on their motivation in listening to others. Are they doing it to get this person "out of their hair" so they can put the attention back on themselves? Or are they listening with the sincere motivation of wanting to help, not expecting anything in return other than the happiness of knowing they participated in healing the other person?
To win, Libra North Node people need to get in touch with a feeling of internal social harmony that will help them focus on others and stop putting themselves first.

SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS
Libra North Node people can be painfully self-conscious and judgmental of what they deem to be their "negative" qualities. This is why they lose power when they focus on the self. All they see are their "unacceptable" qualities, which they focus on hiding. But this process prevents others from getting close to them. Not knowing what these folks are hiding, others don't trust them and back away. Then Libra North Node people get the feedback that something is wrong with them — which is exactly what they suspected in the first place!
Also, in the process of holding back they are not fully open to receive others and therefore can never fully partner with them. They are afraid to let down their guard, lest others will see who they really are and then harshly judge and reject them. Instead, by focusing on the other person and what they can do to bring out the strength and goodness in that person, Libra North Node's own self stands open to receive other people.
It is in the best interests of Libra North Node people to stop judging themselves and simply be themselves. If they have some attributes that are not quite "right," others can give them feedback. After all, they've had warrior incarnations — what do they know about the social graces? They can't expect to know what experience has not taught them. They need the help of those who have lived in society for many lifetimes to learn the rules. By being honest, they can learn how to change and start connecting with people and developing positive relationships. They need to become attuned to the world and to others, instead of themselves. When they focus only on themselves to see what the other person is giving back to them, they see only their own incompleteness and their confidence drops. But when they focus on supporting and healing the other person, they will no longer feel self-conscious. As they put their energy into others, they will receive the approval and energy they need. Indeed, the key to their own self-confidence lies in stimulating the confidence and enthusiasm of others.

MAKING ASSUMPTIONS
Libra North Node people tend to assume they know what is going on with others, so they often bypass communication and go directly to action. This undermines trust in their relationships, yet it is understandable in light of their past-life military experience. They were taught to view the "enemy" (that is, the "other") from a distance. They observed the enemy's actions but never interacted with him directly until the battle. Now, in this incarnation, they observe other people from a distance, making assumptions about their identity, behavior patterns, likes and dislikes, and so on. For these folks, the truth is what they see — they assume "truths" about the other person and then act on those "truths." They don't listen to the other person. They interpret the other's actions according to what they would be thinking if they were doing those things.
They can also be judgmental of others for not resolving their situations or reaching their goals as quickly, or in the same way, as a Libra North Node would. If others don't do it "their way," these folks might assume: "They're not doing what I told them. They're not taking responsibility and dealing with this." But the other person may be dealing with it in his own way, and Libra North Node just hasn't checked in to find out what's going on.
They also judge others when they observe them hurting themselves. They don't understand why people do things that go against their own best interests. They can't figure out why others don't have the discipline to stay in shape, or finish their projects, or maintain order in their environments. Because Libra North Node people feel that actions speak louder than words, they often underestimate other people's ability to overcome obstacles, simply because they have not done it yet.
Libra North Node people are learning that everyone has a unique style. They are so single-minded and goal-oriented that they project onto others the goals that are important to themselves; then they advise others how to reach those goals by the quickest, most direct route. They become judgmental when other people don't follow their advice. They fail to take into account that others may have their own agendas and that there are other values besides reaching the goal in the fastest possible way.
In this incarnation, rather than being judgmental or intolerant, the folks need to find their own vulnerability in others. If the other person says she can't do something, Libra North Node could think back on a situation in his own life when he felt he couldn't do something; then he will feel more compassion for the other person. In this lifetime, Libra North Node people need to learn to relate successfully to others — to inspire and empower them to win victories in their own lives. But to do this successful they need to learn to discover the other person's objectives, values, and style of operation.

THE RULES
Libra North Node people establish their own system of values and assume that everyone else will meet their standards and follow their rules, simply because the rules make sense to Libra North Node. This is a Pandora's box. Only negative things occur when they are inflexibly attached to "the rules." When other people don't play by "the rules" (that is, Libra North Nodes' rules), Libra North Node people experience disappointment; when others resist "the rules," Libra North Nodes' tempers rise. They don't realize the other person didn't get a chance to vote — nor was the other person notified of what "the rules" are.
Sometimes when Libra North Node people think others are being unfair, it's because others aren't following the invisible rules. However, their sense of fairness is essentially selfish because it is based only on their own rules. Libra North Node people must become aware that there are other rules. Their own rules are no more sacred than anyone else's.
In all fairness to these folks, the problem with rules isn't their fault. Subconsciously they are still in the military, where everyone is highly disciplined and follows clearly understood regulations, protocols, and behavior. The good thing about the military, from Libra North Nodes' point of view, is that it's not personal. They're not stepping on the other person's toes when they say what to do — they're just giving orders! If the other person doesn't cooperate, they feel: "Well — you're not being a team player."
Everyone has rules: standards, ideas, and values. Most people are aware of their ideas as "ideas" — not as absolutes. But for Libra North Node people, their rules are the constitution they live by — "the law." Other people can have their own standards and ideas but still be open to others' views. Libra
North Node people often can't see any view except their own.
An example of how hurtful this can be is the story of a client whose father was a Libra North Node. On her wedding day, he felt that his father (the client's grandfather) should walk her down the aisle. Because of childhood abuses, my client hated her grandfather. But her father cared more about "the rules" than his own daughter, and he insisted that the grandfather walk her down the aisle "out of respect." Those were "the rules" — there was no discussion. His past-life military programming was allowed to run roughshod over the feelings of his own daughter, even on her wedding day.
Libra North Node people must sit down with their friends and partners to work out rules that both parties accept. Only when the rules are mutually accepted can these folks expect others to live by them. Also, how the others respond when the Libra North Node people share their rules will reveal a lot about the relationship — and whether it is appropriate.
By discovering the others' standards and rules, Libra North Node people can expand their own value systems. In fact, their ability to develop a sense inner freedom depends on this. When there are mutually accepted rules in a relationship, the resulting unit will be powerful, efficient, and personally rewarding. And the relationship will be based on a foundation that lends permanence.

PROJECTION
Because Libra North Node people are so tied up in their own identities, ncy may be unaware of who they are actually dealing with in relationships. They project their own identity onto the other person and then try to relate to that person — which, strangely enough, doesn't work! When people don't turn out to be the way these folks think they are, it surprises them. They picture the other person's role, and when the partnerdoesn’t play it, they become upset. They think the other person is not being “fair” with them (that is, the other isn't being true to the role). Once again, they are relating to others in terms of their own past-life military experience, where everyone was considered an object and judged in terms of how wet they fulfilled their function.
These folks have difficulty seeing the other person outside of the role they have projected. For example, I had a client with this nodal position who discovered, after twenty-three years of marriage, that her husband had sexually molested their daughter for several years. She had absolutely no idea it had been going on until her daughter went into therapy. There can be many reasons for this kind of "not knowing"; but in the case of Libra North Node people, they never did see who the other person really was.
As a by-product of projecting their identity onto others, they expect others to be as strong as they are, as generous, as confident, as disciplined –and they feel cheated when the partner doesn't exhibit these characteristics. They need to step into the other person's shoes. In this way, they can discover the levels of strength, generosity, confidence, and discipline inherent in the other person, and thus have more realistic expectations. Also, they will discover certain positive qualities (ones that the Libra North Node person doesn't have) that the other person brings to the relationship. They are learning that we all have different identities, and therein lies the capacity for growth in unexpected and rewarding directions.

NEEDS - APPROVAL
Libra North Node people are hungry for approval and want to be included in the other person's energy field. They feel relaxed and happy when others "feed" them love. This is a valid need: in this incarnation, love from others will give them the spiritual balance they require.
The problem is the methods they use to get others' attention and energy. To this end they may get caught up in competition, overachievement, and taking the initiative without consulting others. They show off, trying to look good to attract the attention and loving energy they so desperately need. Because they hunger for the spotlight, when other people are talking these folks will often say something about themselves so that the attention comes back to them. They aren't really tuned in to the other person — only to their own need for love and approval. These needs can also cause Libra North Nodes to be competitive in situations where cooperation would be more to their advantage. The resolution lies in shifting their focus from making themselves look good, to making the other person feel good. When these folks tune in and take their partners' feelings into account, they will know how to further joint goals in ways the partners can accept. If Libra North Node people help those around them to be happy, they will automatically feel the good vibrations. They don't have to "extract" this energy from others; acceptance, love, and approval will automatically flow to them. It's part of the natural process of being sensitive and doing what they can to make others happy. The energy these folks need is the energy they will feel when they validate others for just being themselves.

NEEDS - CONFIDENCE IN RELATIONSHIPS
These folks can lack confidence in relationships owing to lack of experience in partnership and sharing in past lives. Also, they tend to undermine their own self-confidence by focusing so much energy on self. For example, if there's a misunderstanding in a relationship, rather than checking in to find out what the other person is thinking and feeling, Libra North Nodes' tendency is to immediately focus on themselves — either their own hurt feelings or what they did wrong. They never look beyond their own mindset to determine what's going on with the other person, and this erodes their confidence in the relationship. They may assume that the other person doesn't like something about them, and they end up feeling "unacceptable." Or they may make a harsh judgment against their partner, which leads them to think there are very few people they can connect with in the world.
Libra North Node people actually have a lot of confidence, but they aren't in touch with it on a social level until they begin to share it. By focusing on how they can help others feel more confident, they feel more confidence as well. The ability to "do" relationships is actually an incredible talent for these people, but they don't know they have it. They become discouraged when relationships don't seem to work out. What they want is not incorrect, it's just that their methods are "off." The part of them that knows how to "do" relationships is like an interior room where they have remarkable tools for creating successful relationships — but they have to remember to open the door!

NEEDS - SUPPORTING OTHERS
These folks are real "people promoters." For example, Johnny may have invented a device that takes all the pollution from exhaust emissions out of the air — but he's not doing anything with it. Others may say: "Johnny, you should sell your invention! Think of the money you'll make — think how you'll help the environment!" But Johnny has a million excuses for procrastinating: "Well, it's really not good enough yet." Then a Libra North Node person comes along, says a few words to Johnny, and something about the way he says it causes Johnny to put things in motion.
These folks have a tremendous ability to empower others to be warriors — to give them the confidence and energy that send them on their way But they fear that others will become dependent on them. They don't want others to drain their energy, their ideas, or their life force. In fact, the other person will give back to them — but then they have the challenge of accepting the gifts that others give. This requires humility and acknowledgment that Libra North Nodes are not totally self-sufficient. It's part of learning to give and to receive — to be part of a team.



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SHARING AND SELFLESSNESS
Sharing is important for Libra North Node people. They've had many past lifetimes of isolation and missing the joys of having a mate. In this lifetime, their desire to have a mate is enormous; it needs to be honored for them to feel complete and nurtured emotionally. An unselfish love, with no thought of personal reward, is the key to actualizing the closeness and rapport that will fill their hearts. They need to give simply for the sake of sharing their wealth and bringing support and joy to their partner. Then, as the other person gains strength, his or her happiness will in turn permeate and satisfy the Libra North Node person.
These folks have a tremendous love of life, and in this incarnation they are learning to expand it by including others. They need to take the other person into account, discover the other's limits, and then go out and share experiences. They need to remember that sharing experiences with that one special person is more nurturing than reaching their own goals.
Libra North Node people are learning the art of selflessness: putting their feelings aside for the sake of supporting someone else. When they give to another with no thought of return, they become a channel for giving. The universe gives more to them, because they are actively passing on the energy. As they selflessly give to other people, they clear the way for their partners — and for life itself — to give back to them. There is no need to keep a ledger for "fairness" in giving and receiving; when Libra North Node people give to others, they are truly giving to themselves.

ACCEPTANCE - SELF-PROTECTION
Owing to so many past incarnations as warriors, these folks have developed a trait of inaccessibility. They are very selective about the image they project, and if people see them differently, they become upset. They try to control how people see them: "How could they say that about me? That's not how I see myself!" This defensiveness makes it tough for other people to relate to them.
Libra North Node people may indulge in unexpected behavior, because they don't want others to be able to figure them out. It's a tactical maneuver. Fearing that people won't find them interesting, they resist being completely "known." Also, this nodal group regards all the other groups as the same, and they don't want to be like everyone else. They're afraid that exposing their emotions and checking in with people will make them like everyone else — and they won't be different and exciting anymore.

INDEPENDENCE VERSUS INTERDEPENDENCE
The warrior in Libra North Node people wants to have sharp wits, independence, and no emotional ties so that it can move on at will. In their psyches, the muscle of independence has been overexercised in past lives and now can rear its ugly head at the most inappropriate times and ruin relationships that might have been nurturing.
It can be somewhat unnerving for Libra North Node people to check in with others and support them. They are afraid that if they give to someone they'll start to feel responsible for that person, which goes against their "on the road" warrior mentality. Subconsciously, they don't want to be tied down.
These folks need to keep in mind that this is a people lifetime. Their best rewards will come through interdependence, not self-isolating independence. They've already experienced extreme independence; to rewalk that path will only result in missing the deep connection with others that they crave. When they do step past their fears and support another, they create a bond with that person and receive the appreciation and validation that they so desperately need. In supporting someone with no motive except genuine caring, their loneliness is healed.
When Libra North Node people support others, they automatically empower people. So, in reality, they are not creating dependency but are helping others achieve a higher level of self-sufficiency. However, sometimes they become resentful, thinking: "Why aren't other people already as independent as I am? If everybody were like me, the world would be a fine place!" They don't mean to be vain, but past-life habits are strong, and the discipline of the warrior is a mindset that is difficult to break.
These folks have been isolated from society and the peaceful satisfaction of nurturing relationships for so many incarnations that it's frightening for them to even consider taking the plunge and joining in. But it's not that they don't know how. Once they make up their minds, these folks can accomplish anything. In fact, once they get into it, they'll find they have a talent for creating successful relationships. But first they must make the conscious decision that interdependence is a higher road than isolation.

HARMONY
Libra North Node people are tired of war; in this lifetime, they want to experience peaceful relationships. Nonetheless, they have intense relationships that are highly emotional, and their lack of communication can promote that intensity. But they are ready to move on to the next level — a place of more caring, more interdependence, and more compassion. They need to choose peace, hang up their shield, and participate in relationships in which they can be vulnerable.

PATIENCE
In this lifetime, Libra North Node people are learning patience. There are other people on the planet, and Libra North Nodes' lives will unfold most happily when they take the time to include others in their plans. Temper tantrums are a symptom of their impatience. Often, if they don't get their way immediately they'll leave, when it's exactly the situation that would have made them most happy.
These folks have an excess of impulsive energy. In past lives, their rashness was seen as courage that resulted in success and self-glorification — they were heroes! However, "heroism" also created a sense of superiority and isolation from others. In this life, impulsive tendencies lead to defeat rather than victory. When Libra North Node people act on their impulses, they may trample other people's feelings in the pursuit of their own desires and seriously injure the goodwill others have for them.
Because of their impulsiveness, Libra North Node people need to nurture their patience and understand that a certain process of events needs to happen for their plans to be realized. They are often so directed and want things so intensely that the process seems agonizingly slow. They're running at high speed — but there's no war to fight anymore, and slowing themselves down and thinking things through is necessary for true fulfillment in this lifetime.
Because of their impulsiveness, these folks may not fully understand why they want something. If they could be patient, they would see the bigger picture. Then they could explain it to the other person involved, and a lot of problems would dissolve. The other person would be given the opportunity to cooperate and understand.

SENSITIVITY AND CONSIDERATION
Libra North Node people are very sensitive — in an insensitive way. They feel things very deeply themselves, but they can be shallow when it comes to understanding other people's feelings. They experience hurt on a very deep level. Because of these intense feelings, they think they have a wonderful understanding of everyone else. But the process fails to take other people's idiosyncrasies into account or acknowledge that Libra North Nodes' actions may affect another person in a negative way. This is behind much of the misunderstanding in their relationships. Libra North Nodes need to actively search for that deeper level in their connections with others.
Tuning in to another person means temporarily leaving oneself. It's like listening to the radio: To clearly hear the music, you have to stop humming the song in your own head. In the same way, these folks should leave their own mindset and tune in to others' melodies. After they "hear" the feelings and perceptions of the other, they can determine whether they can harmonize with the melody of that person.
These folks have to remind themselves to be aware of other people's needs and feelings. For example, if two friends are walking down the street and one is burdened with packages and the other is carrying nothing, likely the friend carrying nothing is a Libra North Node — no one else would be so unaware of the other person. Things that seem obvious to everyone else simply do not occur to these people. They don't mean to be hurtful; they are just unaware of the damaging effects their self-preoccupation has on others. In this life, if they want the joys of successful, happy relationships, they must consciously cultivate selflessness and an awareness of others' needs and feelings.

RELATIONSHIPS
LACK OF EXPERIENCE
THE WARRIOR LIFESTYLE . . . IT'S JUST ME!

Because of their past lifetimes in military environments, Libra North Node people lack experience in personal relationships. In a military setting, relationships are governed by protocol and firm, objective regulations that are understood by everyone. When it comes to relating outside of a strict set of codes, these folks don't know how to do it. The simplest things about relationships — sharing, mutual helpfulness, and interrelatedness — that come so naturally to all the other nodal groups are totally new areas of discovery for Libra North Node people. When they make mistakes in their relationships it is not intentional or malicious, but rather owing to a habit of following "the rules" instead of relating to people.
Another problem is that warriors don't usually stay in town to build a family — they move on to fight the next battle. These folks can be classic "one-night stand" people, making a conquest and then moving on to the next person. For them, love and sex can be competitive. They love the game of romance. Once they succeed (and the other person has been "captured"), they need to face the next challenge. It's all they know. Yet, as a lifestyle, this tendency for quick, superficial relationships leaves them feeling peculiarly empty.
The irony is that when Libra North Node people understand how relationships work, they can be masters at it. They have superior (latent) talents for sensitivity and diplomacy, once they understand how to access and apply them. Because their life purpose is to balance past lives through partnering with others, they will always have an abundance of people attracted to them.
Some of these folks are afraid to love anyone because they aren't accustomed to exchanging love. In this life, their early attempts may fail because they haven't learned how to exchange love. They close themselves off emotionally in response. However, they are learning that some people will love them for their innate individual spirit, and some will not. People are different, after all. It is not only how these people present themselves that deter-mines how others respond to them, but also the nature of the other person. Therefore, they need to be open and let others see who they are. Then they can feel safe by knowing who loves them for who they really are, and be cautious (in terms of giving 100 percent of themselves) with those who do not accept them.

DISCRIMINATION . . . YOU MEAN THERE ARE OTHER
PEOPLE OUT THERE?

These people want a partner with whom they can share the joys of life on an equal basis, who will reciprocate by feeding them appreciation. But for this energy to come back to them, they must choose the right partner. Part of a successful relationship involves discrimination — seeing who the potential partner really is and not simply how that person fills the Libra North Node's needs.
Sometimes their tendency to project aspects of their own identity onto other people is so strong that others feel uneasy around them. Libra North Nodes feel that they won't be understood or accommodated anyway, so what's the use? This problem can rob these folks of true intimacy. An example is a client whose mother was a Libra North Node person. When this client was promoted and began buying expensive suits appropriate her new management position, she knew her mother would object to the expense. Because she didn't want to be made to feel uncomfortable, she hid the clothes in the hall closet until she had the privacy to transfer them to her room. This robbed both her and her mother of the fun of looking at the new purchases together, which could have brought them closer.
Another way these folks misjudge relationships is by focusing only on the qualities about the other person that they like. They may not like all aspects of the other person, and they may block out the less appealing qualities, thereby overlooking what is actually going on.
The first step for Libra North Node people is to be willing to learn about the other person. Does this person have goals and ideals similar to their own? Does the person have aims that they feel they can support? Is the other person a giver or a taker? What are the other person's values? What kind of identity do they want to build? Libra North Node people must have the humility to be genuinely curious about the identity of the other person and not project their own ideas onto them. To understand another's values, one must ask, put one's own identity aside, and allow awareness of the other to temporarily engulf oneself.
Generally it works better when the Libra North Node asks the other person questions first and then states his or her position. The tendency is to say immediately: "Well, I would like to have a marriage where there are no children and both partners work and make lots of money. What would you like?" If the other person wants to please, he or she will give a response that can be interpreted as supportive of the Libra North Node's position.
But this is how these folks get into trouble. Their identity carries so much strength that the other person may sidestep a direct confrontation because it could put an end to the connection. Others will generally yield, either by understating the importance of their own position or by "going along" with what the Libra North Node person wants.
I had a Libra North Node client whose experience illustrates this problem very well. In his second marriage he was tremendously in love with his wife, who was twelve years his junior. He had one child from his first marriage, and he and his second wife had agreed that they would not have children. This was his idea, but she talked herself into it because she loved him so much. Once the agreement had been reached (which he considered to be "mutual"), he had a vasectomy. The marriage seemed "on track" for the first four years, and he was very happy. Then came the traumatic weekend when she asked for a divorce because she wanted children. The marriage was filling his needs, but not hers. He was traumatized, and it took him years to recover emotionally from the experience. Disappointment for both parties could have been avoided if my client had taken the time to truly ascertain his partner's desires. Then he could have decided if he loved her enough to compromise his original preference in order to satisfy her need for a child.
Libra North Node people should trust their own internal sense of happiness in choosing a partner. They will not be able to rely on logic, but they can trust their feelings of love and attraction to be an accurate guide. Once they identify an appropriate partner and enter a relationship, the challenge for these folks is to be vigilant regarding their partner's changing needs. When they cultivate the habit of checking in and keeping in touch, they engender such loving feelings in their partners that the results are overwhelmingly abundant.

EXPECTATIONS . . . AND THEY'RE SEPARATE FROM ME?
These folks often are disappointed in relationships because they create expectations without accurately assessing the needs, ideas, preferences, or timing of the other person. They think it's up to them to reach the "goal" through their own efforts. In relationships, they seek relevant facts that will help them reach their goal with that person. Then they pull back and plan their strategy, based on what they believe are the partner's characteristics, needs, and desires. The only problem is, they never ask for the other person's input!
Libra North Node people often presume to know the "character trait" behind someone's behavior. But when they are wrong, it leads to painful misunderstandings on both sides. They can also become very angry because they think others don't appreciate who they are. They expect the partner to see how their talents could add to and better the other person's life. Sometimes they become arrogant, downplaying the other person's intelligence because the partner does not seem aware of how much they have to give. They become angry and erect a wall of judgmental thinking that keeps others away. These folks need to expand their perspective to gain a more objective viewpoint through communication. Often, when they feel that others don't appreciate them, they haven't clearly understood the other person's concerns. To avoid feeling isolated and betrayed, they should ask the other person to define himself or herself from his or her own point of view; this will help Libra North Nodes gain an accurate understanding and far more realistic expectations.

LACK OF AWARENESS. . .AND I HAVE TO TAKE THEM INTO ACCOUNT?
These folks can appear to be very inconsiderate. They don't take the other person's reactions, desires, or needs into account when making decisions. They act without getting any feedback from the other person.
For example, I had a client whose husband had this nodal position. When they went on vacation, he would spend the entire time sight-seeing and exploring. My client would protest that she wanted some relaxation as well. When they returned home, however, she would excitedly tell their friends about all the different things they had seen. From her behavior, her husband assumed that by doing what he wanted, she was also enjoying herself. He didn't take her protests seriously because he knew "how good it was for her." The Libra North Node often assumes that he knows what will strengthen the other person, regardless of the feedback the other person gives him.
The irony is that often these folks do know what the other person will enjoy, but they need to temper that knowledge with feedback. In the above example, it would mean listening to the wife's protests and asking questions to determine her anxieties. Once the husband was aware of her concerns, he could work out a plan that encompassed her expressed needs, and he would be rewarded with her appreciation of his leadership. This is how teamwork works best for these folks.

TIMING. . .AND THEY HAVE NEEDS?
In the matter of giving, Libra North Node people must pay more attention to their partner's timing. When the partner expresses a need, that is the time for them to give. They should put everything else on hold and listen to what the partner needs at that time. If they wait until they feel ready to initiate giving, the opportunity will have passed them by.
For example, the partner might ask for help with a project. The Libra North Node person might say: "Oh, come on now. You can do it by yourself." He doesn't want to divert his energy and get distracted by his partner's problem. This instinctive selfishness can have a subtle but destructive effect on the relationship. Libra North Node people can't have the benefits of partnership without the reciprocity of giving. When they find someone they want to be with, they need to take the cue on "timing" from the partner if this is a person they don't want to lose. This is a relationship lifetime; when they put their primary relationship first, everyone wins.

FEARS - FEAR OF EMOTIONAL EMBARRASSMENT
As much as Libra North Node people want and need a partner in this incarnation, some part of them is terrified. They are afraid of embarrassment — but they need that special relationship with another person so badly that they simply must risk it. One of their fears is of "being stuck" — making a poor choice and not being able to get out of it. They are such perfectionists that they want their primary partnership to be perfect, too. If they choose the wrong person and it doesn't work out, then they will have to admit that they are having problems. What they're really saying is: "I don't want a relationship because I don't want to look as foolish as others look to me if it doesn't go well."
Because "looking good" is so important to these folks, it's also important that their mate looks good." If they find some quality in their partner less than compelling, they'll want the partner to change and may start to nag the other person. This never works when the Libra North Node person's motive is to "look good" to others by having an attractive mate. Once again, the motive is self. However, if the partner also wants to change, and if Libra North Node is willing to give support and help, both people can win.
Until they lend their strength and discipline to help the other person overcome the limitation, often the partner's condition will worsen. For example, if a Libra North Node person notices that her partner has gained weight and seems unhappy, the first thing she should do is check in with the partner to determine what he wants. She could say something like: "I've noticed that you're concerned about your weight, and I've noticed that you continue to overeat. Are you upset about something? I'd like to know what's going on with you, and if there's anything I can do to help." In the process of caring and seeking to understand the other person, she can learn how to help him overcome his problem. These folks are learning to care about the relationship more than they care about their image. Libra North Node people don't understand why others put up with being treated badly. They don't understand how much someone can love another, and they fear passion and bonding. They are afraid that if they truly love someone, it may lead them to a place that isn't good for them. They must trust their hearts and believe that in alliance with the other person, they can develop a healthy relationship. In this incarnation they can discover the joys of extending the love they feel for themselves to include another person.

FEAR OF CO—DEPENDENCY
These folks are terrified of "co-dependent relationships." The irony is that because they want to be on the receiving end all the time, they naturally become dependent on the partner's giving. But the partner cannot also become dependent, because he or she is not getting anything back from Libra North Node. When the partner leaves (physically or emotionally), these folks are devastated and can't figure out why the relationship didn't work. If these folks want true independence in a relationship, they should always try to give more than they receive. Then they will be the "strong" one and can experience the joys of being vulnerable and interdependent with another person without the threat of abandonment. It's very important that they make a conscious effort to be helpful and giving in their close partnerships. They often hold back from giving fully lest they lose their identity.
But not to worry - their identity is so firm, it's not going anywhere! Libra North Node people need to be careful about using their need for independence as a defense against participating in their relationships. Their demands for independence are often poorly timed and appear abrupt, abrasive, and alienating. This causes their partners to think the Libra North Node people don't care about them, and that both parties aren't looking out for each other. Naturally, the other person doesn't want to be the only vulnerable one in the relationship, and so begins to detach emotionally. This need for time alone can be absolutely disastrous in intimate relationships. If it is not handled properly, the people closest to these folks feel unloved, unappreciated, unprotected, and without the "special mutual awareness" that makes going through the challenges of a long-term relationship worthwhile.
Libra North Node people are so used to being independent and secretive that when others start to really see them, they become embarrassed. They fear that being vulnerable to another person will make them weak. They want to be independent all the time and they want a relationship — and the two don't go together! When they're leading, the focus is on them and they feel good. But when someone else is in charge, it can be embarrassing because they don't understand their role. They need to recognize that usually others will allow them to lead if they'll just take the time to check in and communicate. Others do not necessarily want to be in charge; they just don't want to be told what to do without their feelings being taken into account.
Libra North Node people place a high premium on independence, but in all fairness they support their partners in being independent as well. They think: "It's fair if everybody follows the rules." But as their priorities change, their rules change and they expect everyone to follow along. They're used to being leaders in past incarnations that they think their job in this lifetime is to lead. In fact, their job now is to help others grow into positions leadership.

FEAR OF COMPROMISE AND CHANGE
Compromise is an essential part of a happy relationship. Only by recognizing and acknowledging the other person's needs, as well as one's own, can a win/win situation be created. When Libra North Node people operate from a vacuum, considering only their own desires, they create a win/lose situation in relationships. Eventually, the person who is "losing" wanders off to find someone who will play more fairly. The first thing Libra North Node must do is acknowledge the individuality of the partner and understand that person's needs and insecurities.
However, sometimes these folks don't want to compromise. They don't want to take the time to establish a clear understanding with the other person. They may fear that if they are aware of the other person's position, they'll have to sacrifice their own. However, by refusing to acknowledge the need for compromise, they negate the importance of the other person and, once again, sow the seeds for ending up alone. Sensitivity to the other person is essential. When the partner voices an insecurity, that is the time to stop everything and do whatever it takes to re-establish rapport.

GIVING FROM THE HEART VERSUS KEEPING SCORE
*** -FOR-TAT GAMES

Libra North Node people tend to have a "*** -for-tat" consciousness. They want everything to be equal, and they want their partner to share in the sacrifices they have to make. For instance, if they have to get up at 5:00 A.M., they want the other person up with them. Rather than recognizing his partner's need for sleep and caring that the other person is balanced within herself, the Libra North Node wants her up (making breakfast or doing something to help) so that she is balanced with him. But true balance is each partner supporting the other 100 percent in being balanced and happy within themselves. Happiness in the relationship will be a natural by-product. The relationship will thrive if the Libra North Node stops checking to see that he's getting his "fair share" at every moment.
When they do give, these folks should do it without "tooting their horn." They have a tendency to take note of exactly how much they are giving and then expect exactly the same amount of energy in return. At the very least, they expect recognition and profuse thanks from the other person; if it isn't forthcoming, they remind their partner of how much they've done. Of course, by demanding recognition, Libra North Node people have taken the gift back and turned it into a trade — warrior style! The secret of giving is that it creates an opening to receive. Others will always give back more than these folks can imagine if their giving is pure, with no expectation of return. If they focus their energy on the other person, their partner's resulting happiness will fill their hearts and make them happy as well.
These people want to experience the joy of having a partner to interact with — and the joy of two people sharing a load. The problem is that according to their ideas, each person should carry 50 percent of the same load. They must recognize that people are stronger and weaker in different areas, and that to measure giving against the "50 percent marker" in every area defeats a relationship. When they learn to give 100 percent where it's needed, they will find their partner is giving 100 percent in an area where they need support. Their willingness to do more than their share will come back to them — in more than equal measure — over time.

COMPETITIVENESS
These folks are accustomed to competition from past lives as warriors, but in this lifetime their competitive spirit can hinder them in getting what they want. They are so used to fighting that everything seems like a battle to them. They create opposition where none exists, and by assuming that others are going to oppose them, they provoke the very opposition they fear. For example, they may impulsively take off for an adventure without notifying their partner, thereby provoking worry and negative feelings. Other behaviors that sabotage their relationships include carelessness, rashness, defensive outbursts, noncommunication, and other subtle (and not-so-subtle) tactics based on the idea that they have to defeat others in order to get their way.
These folks are learning that their partners want to support and help them, as opposed to thinking that their partners are going to create problems. A shift in perspective is required: viewing their partners as being "on their side" and wanting to be supportive. By definition, special relationships signal a
willingness to let one another in on the deepest levels, to share from a position of vulnerability and closeness. That's what partnership is: two people helping each other overcome obstacles that neither could have conquered alone.

RECIPROCITY
Relationships should be reciprocal and cumulative. When one person continually gives to another only to contribute to the well-being of that person — with nothing expected in return — the recipient feels that purity of intent and becomes more kindly disposed toward the giver. Out of thank-fulness, the recipient will spontaneously want to give back to the partner. It's a natural process — we cannot force another person to want to give any more than we can force that person to love. True giving is a loving response to the positive way another person affects us.
All too often, rather than truly giving for its own sake, Libra North Node people trade: "If I let you do this, then I expect you to let me do that." The partner does not receive a gift but something that has to be earned. This robs a relationship of the feeling of benefit and the graciousness of giving. But when Libra North Nodes put the partnership first and are genuinely concerned about helping, both partners have a heartfelt desire to give back.


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SELFLESSNESS
These folks are learning that, as the Bible says, "It is more blessed to give than to receive." It is not only more blessed; it is a lot more intelligent. As a person gives, it creates a void; and nature cannot tolerate a void. Immediately life sends new energy to fill the space. The problem is that Libra North Node is looking for the payback to come in a certain form.
For example, I had a client who went out of her way to comfort a friend who was going through a divorce. She took her out to dinner twice and spent many intense hours counseling her, encouraging her, and helping restore her self-confidence. Two years later my client was moving and needed a place to stay for a week. She called this friend, but the friend was unable to offer her lodging. My client was crushed. She had been keeping track of the kindness she had shown this woman, and she only wanted help from her. Because her vision was limited to help coming only in that form, she overlooked all the other possibilities that life was sending to support her.
When Libra North Node people keep score of how much they are giving in personal relationships, they limit the vision of what they can receive and where it comes from. Sometimes they cut off their giving prematurely, even though their hearts are enjoying the process: Instead of following their hearts, they follow their scorecard. They may stop giving just at the point when the returns from the other person were about to be forthcoming. As long as they are feeling joy in the process of giving, they just need to follow their happiness.
By having a specific idea of what they want back from someone, they miss the rewards that are natural by-products of the relationship. For happiness, these folks must learn to appreciate the unexpected gifts they receive along the way.

KARMIC PARTNERS
Libra North Node people often attract partners who have tremendous potential but who lack the self-confidence to convert that potential and reach their goals. Often, these are people to whom they owe a "debt" from a past life. Perhaps the other person sacrificed self-identity and helped them to win in some way, and now it is up to them to return the favor.
On some level these folks know this is a "partnership" lifetime, and they actively seek a mate. But they keep attracting people weaker than themselves, which can make them angry and resentful. Owing to many warrior lifetimes, they have mastered self-discipline, single-mindedness, and efficient attainment of their goals — and think that other people should be the same. They tend to disdain others' weaknesses, scorn their lack of self-discipline, and look down on what they perceive to be their lack of courage. They need to recognize that if they attracted a fellow warrior as a mate, this would be another lifetime of competition rather than a time of peaceful sharing.
In fact, Libra North Node people have such strong self-identity in their aura that it operates as a barrier to other people. They need to work on dissolving that force field, and they can do this most efficiently by giving that energy to others who actually need it. They need to get rid of the excess energy around their self-identity so they attract people who need more self-identity: The other person gets a "charge" of self-confidence and the Libra North Node person gets a release. Both people win. The result is an opening in the aura of the Libra North Node person through which he or she can receive more love and energy.

INTERDEPENDENCE
Learning how to relate with others in a meaningful way is the primary challenge in this lifetime for Libra North Node people. In any area of their life where they are "winning," there is a strong partnership behind them. In areas where they are "losing" — whether professionally or in terms of personal happiness — they have not yet learned the lessons they must pass through in order to build successful relationships.
One way or another, these folks are destined to learn the value of including other people's energies as part of their plans. They can learn the hard way — through battling and disappointment; or the easy way — by acting on some of their life lessons. Each time they strike out on their own, they either fall short of their goal or, when they reach it, find it to be hollow and unsatisfying. They are learning to recognize that: "Hello . . . there are other people on this planet! Who are you?" They are also learning to recognize that they need the energies of others to nourish their own well-being and reach their goals.

COMRADES OR LOVERS?
These folks have such a talent for supporting and building up the strength of other people that they may experience a long string of relationships that don't last. Those close to them become strong in their own right and then, for various reasons, a parting of the way occurs. This sometimes happens because — subconsciously —Libra North Node people work to build the autonomy of the other person so that they can be "equals," rather than building a team. They can see where the other person lacks confidence, so they reinforce the partner's strength. Once the partner becomes self-sufficient, he or she doesn't need the Libra North Node person anymore. And because the focus has been on building mutual autonomy, it is only natural that both individuals go their own ways. But Libra North Node feels crushed — it seems unfair that as soon as the partner became strong, the partner left.
For Libra North Nodes, relationships should not be based on the concept of two fully self-sufficient comrades sharing experiences in the context of their own self-contained, separate identities. That system is based on barter, trading, 50-50 sharing, and sensitivity only to self. It leaves out the magic ingredient of emotional sensitivity that is so satisfying in a long-term relationship.
When the emotional interconnection — the sensitive awareness of the other person and the desire to make him or her happy — is lacking, Libra North Nodes' partners often leave them. For the partner, the alliance can become dry and loveless — based on systems of expectations, rewards, demands, and "fair play" — so the partner leaves to find nurturing elsewhere.
The key for these folks is to notice and act when their partner needs support. Then the partner will be happy to stay because of feeling connected, and the Libra North Node will be getting all that happy energy back. It's a win/win situation.

LISTENING AND SENSITIVITY
Putting awareness and consideration of the other person first is essential if Libra North Node people want to have a successful relationship. To maintain a consistent base of communication and understanding takes more time than they are accustomed to giving, since they are used to only having to take themselves into account. But if they want a relationship to last over the long haul, these folks must learn to be sensitive and listen to their partner's needs.
They also need to be careful not to injure others (physically, psychologically, or emotionally). Their partners may not make a lot of demands, so Libra North Node people may ignore them. They are shocked when the seemingly accommodating partners walk out. They hadn't taken the others' identity — their idiosyncrasies and needs — into account.
A team is two individuals taking care of each other, being aware of one other, compensating for each other's strengths and weaknesses, and helping each other instinctively without being asked. For example, if I injure my toe, I put a Band-Aid on it. I don't think about it or ask: "What has my toe done for me lately?" Nor do I expect the toe to recognize how wonderful I am for putting a Band-Aid on it. I take care of it instinctively. It's the same with teamwork — you are sensitive to your partner and instinctively step in to help when there is a problem, because the partner is a part of you.
Libra North Node people must be sensitive to their partners' insecurities and, sometimes, respond just to ease their fears. Not all questions are asked with the intention of receiving an accurate, factual answer. Sometimes, in partnership, a person may ask a question with the motive of gaining reassur-ance or a feeling of closeness. For example, if a newlywed asks: "Do you think we'll always be in love this way?" he doesn't want to hear: "Well, I hope so, but I guess one just never knows" (which would be a typical Libra North Node answer); he wants to hear: "Of course we will be!"

GOALS
These folks can be selfish. They can act impulsively and with total disregard for others' situations. They tend to take over unexpectedly when their goals aren't being met quickly enough. They are prone to acting on their assumptions without checking in to find out what is going on with the other person. Even though their motive may be to promote the best interest of everyone involved, others feel stripped of power and resentful because they weren't part of the process. Trust — a key issue for these folks — is undermined on both sides in the relationship.
Although checking in with a partner is an easy resolution for many obstacles, these folks fear doing it. A part of them thinks: "If I check in, they'll think I don't trust them." Actually, it's not checking in that leaves the other person questioning their trust, and once again, Libra North Node people end up feeling isolated, misunderstood, and unappreciated.
For example, I have a client with this nodal position who is in the restaurant business. In the typical warrior “chain of command" approach, he gave his manager the instruction: "There's a special party coming in, I want the table set up by 7:00." At 6:40, the table was not set up and the people started to arrive. My client thought: "Oh my God! He's not going to have it done!" So he set the whole thing up himself. He was shocked and angry when the manager approached him later and instead of thanking him, said: "You didn't trust me." The old warrior had forced a result without considering the timing and feelings of the other person.
These folks need to take the time to communicate instead of forcing their way. My client could have said to his manager: "Stan, I'm a little worried that this table isn't ready. Is everything okay, or can I do something to help you?" By checking in with the manager, he could have assured himself that the job would get done and created the bond of teamwork that these people so desperately need. When they take the time to access it, these folks have a rare gift for diplomacy that can create tremendous affection on both sides, while at the same time accomplishing the goal.
Libra North Node people need to relate with the other person in the process of giving orders. It is not enough for them to simply "state the facts"; the other person needs to gain a sense of their power in the situation. These folks must explain why the orders are important in the context of the overall situation and impart their confidence that the other person can do the job successfully. Libra North Node people think they've made the instructions so simple that anyone could do it, but the truth is that what would be easy for them might be a very difficult assignment for others.
Before giving the orders, these folks should also notice how the other person is feeling. For example, if the other person is already flustered, getting more orders might push him or her over the edge. Their best bet is to acknowledge the other person, emotional frailties and all, before giving the orders. Taking the time to establish a solid base for the relationship makes carrying out the orders joyous for the other person and is added insurance that the job will be done correctly.
Another good approach — especially in goal-oriented situations — is to say: "This is where we're going, this is how I want it done . . . but how would you do it? If you have a different idea, please let me know."

ACKNOWLEDGING INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENCES
Libra North Node people find it difficult to fit freedom and creativity into their lives. They like things to be direct and orderly, and it can be hard for them to go with the flow. Other areas of conflict can stem from the fact that these folks like to "test the fates." On some level they believe: "I'm the center of the world! Nothing can touch me!" And generally they don't get hurt, even in high-risk situations. This unique style of operation works for them. The problem comes when they decide that other people should have the same approach. "Just press through your limitations" is their recommendation. But what works for them is not necessarily going to work for another person. Their job is to support the other person in reaching his or her own goals, taking into account that person's unique style.

EXPERIENCING EXPANDED IDENTITY SYNERGY
Consistently, the solution for these people is partnership. Even in reaching personal goals, their success is ensured if they approach that goal with a partner. For example, if a Libra North Node person is having an impossible time losing 20 pounds, his best bet is to find a friend with the same problem and lose the weight together. In the process of helping the other person stick to the diet or exercise program, the weight will simultaneously start dropping off the Libra North Node person. The same holds true for any personal goal he is having difficulty reaching: If he finds another person to do it with, both will win.
These people have the ability to "transplant" courage into others, giving them confidence to take the initiative and do things that — without their help — the other person never would have attempted. They have the ability to validate others' identity with so much confidence that others start to believe in themselves. They are great successes as business consultants, psychologists, teachers, coaches, or any other role that brings out confidence and courage in others.
However, Libra North Node people need to be certain there is no selfish motive involved, or the process will backfire. Thus, the ability to be objective is essential: They need to discern the other person's goals.

INTIMACY AND VULNERABILITY
Libra North Node people need to develop their capacity to be vulnerable. They are learning to be sensitive to others: open to others' feelings and perspectives. They are learning to allow others to experience them: sharing their feelings and fears. These folks have strong defenses against being vulnerable. Their strong programming says: "Never let anyone know your weaknesses." But they are learning that there is great strength in vulnerability — indeed, the best warrior is one who knows when to fight and when to make peace. But if they don't check in with the other person, they won't know which is which.
For their relationships to work on a lasting level, they also need to learn how to become more intimate. Intimacy is a by-product of being more sensitive to the other person's insecurities and more open to revealing their own vulnerabilities. When they are more intimate, they are able to grow. But when they don't become more intimate, they remain unapproachable and inaccessible.
When they are hurting, Libra North Node people's first instinct is to pull back and not let others know they have been affected. In this lifetime they are learning the value of opening up and allowing others to take care of them. In sharing their vulnerability, what they were originally ashamed of becomes something they can celebrate, and they find themselves bonding with others in an authentic way. Now they can allow others to know them — rather than the image they project. These people have innate honesty, courage, and directness. It can be a leap forward in self-discovery when they allow themselves to be vulnerable with others.
Libra North Node people are afraid that if they expose their vulnerability — if they don't “have it all together" — they're going to lose the people they want to impress. Instead, exposing their vulnerability endears them to others. Further, it helps others know how to support them and give them confidence. They include the other person in their lives on a deeper level and feel accepted by that person at the same time. The old feelings of isolation melt away.
When these folks allow others to share their fears, their innate courage inspires everyone to make deeper connections. They find that others have been through similar situations and made even more drastic mistakes. Making mistakes, learning, and growing is part of being human — quite different from the "war machine" Libra North Nodes experienced in past lives. For these folks, pulling down the wall between themselves and others can be like a warrior putting down his shield — it's scary. But to be fulfilled, they must be willing to set that shield aside and be vulnerable.

TEAMWORK
Libra North Node people don't have a sense of teamwork. They've had no past life experience with it. As warriors, they take on the entire job them-selves. They become annoyed with others who want to share the responsibility. They want to manage the job on their own because they're afraid the other person will "mess up" — and they won't attain their goal because someone else didn't do their part. Also, they have no patience for somebody taking two or three days to do what they can do in one day — and better! Yet in this lifetime they are not here to do the job by themselves — they already know they can do that. They have tremendous confidence in achieving short-range goals. But now, when they do reach a goal on their own, they don't feel the happiness they expected. In this lifetime, their job is to accomplish their own goals within the context of a team effort while transferring confidence to other people who need it. Thus, in working with a team of six other people, they need to remember that there are seven of them. Libra North Node people have an incredible ability to empower others and can see in those six people where each one needs confidence. They welcome the "glitches" that highlight where others lack confidence because it shows them where they can "boost" others, making themselves an invaluable and beloved part of the team. They always need to first consider what's best for the team. It doesn'twork for team members to fall out of communication; it works for them to go out of their way to stay in touch with one another to foster positive feelings of interdependence. To this end, each member must be willing to express his or her needs objectively – not as resentment or a “*** for tat” but as a means to empower one another in partnership by being open about his or her needs. It's another way of being vulnerable.

PARTNERSHIP
For Libra North Node people, the strong parts of their identity are the qualities they bring to benefit their relationships. The other person brings different gifts that may be exactly what the native needs. Through the partnership, these folks find their balance with others and can access parts of themselves that would otherwise be inaccessible. With a partner, life is no longer drudgery but a positive exchange of energy that makes self-discovery and self-actualization a lighter, happier process for both people.
Since the other person is bringing qualities to the relationship that the Libra North Node person may lack, it behooves Libra North Node to see objectively who the other person actually is, what that person is offering, what talents and qualities he brings to enhance the team. He may not bring confidence or initiative, but perhaps he brings the gift of emotional sensitivity and nurturing, or playfulness and fun, or seeing life as an adventure, or compassionate forgiveness. If Libra North Node can understand what the other person is bringing, she can be more open to accepting and being energized by the gift.
What Libra North Node people truly want is to unite with someone else and empower that person's dreams and plans. Thus, it is their responsibility to carefully discern the details of what the other person is seeking so they can discover if it resonates within their own soul. These folks are learning to recognize that their personal survival is based on doing what's best for the relationship. As they take care of their partner with a whole heart, they finally begin to experience joy and fulfillment.

RESISTANCES
These people are tremendous fighters from past lifetimes and are accustomed to the energy of combat. In relationships, they may actually provoke fighting simply because they are used to the energy. They want to win at all costs and thus sometimes push away the very relationships that are most dear to them. They fight when there is no need to fight and often end up losing in the end. Their relationship can become a contest of "your needs versus my needs" if they view it as two separate individuals, rather than recognizing that a partnership is actually an entity itself. In fact, the very thing that makes the partnership strong actually feeds both people involved.
They need to learn to put the goal of the relationship ahead of their impulse for conquest. They are much more likely to attain what they want through diplomacy, tact, and consideration of the other person's position. But these folks are also learning not to use diplomacy to manipulate (that is, making something seem "fair" to the other person just to get their way). They are discovering the value of being a true diplomat: listening to the other person and sharing their own point of view to see if they can reach a compromise. This will satisfy both parties in a lasting way.
Libra North Node people are also learning to consider how to express their impulses. They must weigh what they want to say and the actions they are considering taking, and think about the effect on other people. They are learning to think before speaking.

CREATING WIN/WIN SITUATIONS
Libra North Node people are the natural peacemakers of the zodiac. They have a talent to clearly see both sides of a situation or conflict and effectively communicate person A's position to person B, and vice versa. Harmony is established through objective understanding of the other's position. This ability qualifies them as marriage and family counselors — or any role that requires balancing two different points of view, including diplomacy. As a side benefit, when Libra North Node people help others become objective. they enhance their own ability to respect the identity of others. They exercise the muscle in their psyche that helps them find personal balance, peace. and happiness.
These folks have the talent to make a relationship work successfully with rapport, understanding, teamwork, and satisfaction. When they remember to exercise that talent, they almost always create a win/win situation. For example, a Libra North Node man may love to ride fast motorcycles. He has a wife and three small children, and his wife worries about the risks he takes. Rather than understand her point of view, he becomes angry, feels his independence is being threatened, and throws a temper tantrum (a "me versus you" mentality). The issue becomes an "impasse" in the relationship. Over a few years, the situation becomes one of many impasses in which there is no reciprocal communication, and thus no resolution. The couple drifts apart and the marriage is over (emotionally, if not physically).
Let's look at a win/win alternative. The first time that his wife voiced concern about his motorcycle, the Libra North Node man could have taken a deep breath and sat down to talk with her. He could have asked her questions to find out exactly what she was concerned about. Just the fact that he took the time to sit down with her and wanted to know her point of view would have created an atmosphere of rapport, caring, and support. Once he understood her concerns, they would have had the opportunity to work out a resolution.
The key is in finding a resolution together — after all, this is not a "do it yourself' lifetime for Libra North Node people. If the wife feared he might have a fatal accident and she would be left with the financial responsibility for their three children, perhaps they could take out a hefty life insurance policy that would give her a greater sense of security and allow her to support him in the joy of riding his motorcycle. They have the innate ability to face things head-on. They must develop a willingness to understand their partners' concerns and work with them to turn each challenge into a win/win situation.

HEALING THEME SONG
I have written a healing song for each nodal group to help shift its energy in a positive way, since music is a potent vehicle for emotionally supporting us to take risks.

COME ON, PEOPLE
The message of this song is meant to gently shift Libra North Nodes' attention to a deeper awareness of others. It will subconsciously inspire them to help others in ways that give them the feelings of love and fulfillment they have always longed for.
Selected lyrics:

Your brother's trying, but he's getting weak
Pushing his rock up the mountain peak
His rock is heavy, about to break through
He needs some help for a moment or two
Can you take one hand from the rock you bear
To help him with his load, his breaking point is near

Come on, People — step into his shoes
Wake up, People — to see his point of view
Come on, People, help all you can today . .
'cause All you can take with you is what you've given away!


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I take what I said back, I am definitely buying the book

Thanks again Tim for your Vulcanized Virgoan
insights

Well, for those who want to know how a Libra North Noder WAS in the past life, here are some of my most graphic past life recalls:

1. The time is of some hieroglyphic age or bronze age. Dressing is a bit tribal. I am introduced in a banquet by the "Chief" as the "best" warrior. Both groups seem to be pirates than mere barbarians. Before I can bask in the glory, the rival tribe's or gang's best warrior tries to attack me with his sword. I am weaponless, and having food in my hand. What did I do? I grabbed the sword's blade by bringing my hands from top to bottom. It still cuts my hands but I am able to twist it out. [These reflexes are very surprising because in past life recalls, I am also aware of my present life, where I have never touched a sword or any weapon. ]

Now I have the sword, bleeding hands, and the rage. Mayhem and then I wake up, because it is difficult to see some of the things we have done with the present 21st century conscientiousness.

2. This is more modern. Hijacking in a plane, musy be late 1960s or 1970s. I am either a special service officer on vacation or in disguise. 4 of them. I am taken to be shot and thrown into the luggage area. Their mistake is they send one guy to do the job. I grab his hand, break it, finish him easily and calmly wait with his gun to finish the next bloke who comes to check but this time the gunshot is heard, there is panic, the other two rush and there is shooting and I think all of us die, that part is not clear.
Whether the plane is blwon up or not was not shown.

3. Vietnam War, US GI. No need to write further! Chilling, especially when I later on see "Born on the 4th of July". Too much Deja Vu!!!

[Clearly this also shows that souls live in parallel timelines too and not linear past lives]

So Jan Spiller is absolutely not kidding about the warrior past lives nor about the harsh self disciplines. I can go without food and water easily for days and on many occasions have postponed sleep for 36-48 hours. Without regrets! And when anybody complains about some fabric not being velvety enough or a cushion not being soft enough, some residual primeval rage does mentally come about.

Very accurate reading from Jan


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Amazing, about the team work part.
Since school days, this is how team projects went for me. I would "command" the dumbest 3 or 4 in the class to join me so that I could do everything myself without interference [and they would gladly agree to get their only A Grades for the year.]

The teachers would see through this and later on started grilling the dumb guys with questions to see if they contributed something. If they messed up, we all lose some points. So what becomes my response?
Repeat Plan A but complete the project faster and then spend time training the nitwits ruthlessly like a drill sergeant, making them write down the answers to the questions I anticipated the teachers would ask, so that they would memorize them in the worst case. I feel so silly about it now, when the simplest way would have been to cooperate with peers.

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posted January 24, 2006 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
at Zala!

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Extremely interesting info... too bad I'm neither Libra nor 7th-house NN...

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posted January 24, 2006 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
too bad?! you don't know what you are talking about Newbie!

Libran NN
Saturn in the 7th
ASC ruler in the 7th (Saturn)

where is your NN btw?

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posted January 24, 2006 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After reading this and other texts on NN; I have come to the conclusion that the HOUSE defines the energy the most. And for those of you who are skeptics about composit charts [as I am] check out the composit house/sign [both] of your NN- with any significant others. Natally mine is Scorpio/3rd and while this definatly has merit..reading Taurus/9th was helpfull for where I have been. But reading the 8th house [here devoted to Libra] .. in my composit case is actually Aries.. was mind boggling! Think of this warrior spirit modified by ARIES! Shudders

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Peri,

I wrote "too bad" because all the Libra/7th house NN people can enjoy this vast amount of information contained in the text posted here, while for the other nodes there are only keywords, I'd love to be able to read such a detailed text about the nodes in my chart as well. (Though I know I shouldn't say "only" but be grateful to Azalaksh instead for having posted these things at all! )That's why I said "too bad", not because I wish I were Libra NN
As to your question, my NN is in Virgo/9th house. It's 29° Virgo, though, and the mean node always shows up as Libra, that's why I've wondered before if there is any such thing as a "cusp" with nodes...

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Thanks Zala this information was very interesting and helpful.

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Thanks a lot Zala, you have taken so much pain to type all the stuff out here.

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