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newbie
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posted February 25, 2006 07:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On to something different: I have read with interest the recent posts concerning the nodes in astrology, and since you are saying that someone's planets conjuncting another person's South Node would hold the nodal person back in life, how about if I told you that in my parents' case, my mother's Venus conjuncts my father's South Node, while his Jupiter conjuncts her South Node, and there don't seem to be any North Nodal conjunctions between them. Yet, they have been married for thirty years. Since, in your theory, the South Nodal conjunctions would indicate they are holding each other back from achieving their life goals, would you seriously have advised them not to marry if, say, you had been an astrology whiz as a kid and they had asked you about their compatibility? (Well, you sure would have saved yourself the trouble of reading/responding to my lengthy posts that way! )

Thank you for reading thus far . Hopefully, this will be my last "novel-like" post, somehow I'm feeling guilty about taking up so much of your time. Also, I barely ever respond to other people's posts, I never seem to know what to write. While I definitely enjoy reading what everyone writes, it just seems that I don't share a lot of their life experiences and/or feel uncomfortable disclosing more intimate thoughts and feelings in a public forum. So, after this discussion is closed, I will probably resort to "reading only", since it doesn't seem fair to post only when I have questions of my own...

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wilsontc
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posted February 25, 2006 01:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
newbie,

You asked:

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...how about if I told you that in my parents' case, my mother's Venus conjuncts my father's South Node, while his Jupiter conjuncts her South Node, and there don't seem to be any North Nodal conjunctions between them. Yet, they have been married for thirty years. Since, in your theory, the South Nodal conjunctions would indicate they are holding each other back from achieving their life goals, would you seriously have advised them not to marry... I barely ever respond to other people's posts...I...feel uncomfortable disclosing more intimate thoughts and feelings in a public forum...it doesn't seem fair to post only when I have questions of my own...

I would never advise people not to marry, but, if they asked my opinion about their relatonship charts, I would have let them know my opinions about their nodal connections and left the rest up to them. Each person has to choose their own path to take in life.

As do you, as well. I understand your concerns about getting too personal in a public forum, which makes sense. However, if you don't ask questions about things you do not know, how can you learn? Everyone has their own path in life, and the more questions they ask of others, the more they can learn about what is right for them and those around them. I encourage you to keep asking questions and growing your astrological knowledge.

Nodally,

Tim

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Lady Macbeth
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posted February 25, 2006 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone have thoughts on Jupiter square Saturn contributing to social phobias? I think that aspect produces low self esteem which might be a factor for folks with social/performance anxiety.

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted February 25, 2006 05:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, interesting discussion you two are having. I'm following along too because I'm also trying to analyze astrology's accuracy for myself.

I just wanted to add that I have Venus (virgo) square Neptune (sag) and I have had social phobia since I was like 6 or 7. Also doesn't Venus in Virgo cause anxiety around people as well as self doubt/ criticism?

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SavageScorpio
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posted February 25, 2006 05:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think social phobia/anxiety is something you are necessarily born with, I think it's a symptom of something, a reaction to something, and something that can occur as a result of experiences/circumstances an individual has gone through, and also something that can be overcome with time.

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Lady Macbeth
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posted February 25, 2006 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeoSweetHeart-I think the Venus in Virgo placement has perfectionistic tendencies which might contribute to social phobia as well.

My theory being that when a Venus in Virgo person has such a keen sense of where people (including themselves) need improvement, they naturally feel as if everyone else has such exacting standards as well, leading to a feeling of discomfort under the gaze of others...not wanting to be scrutinized and judged for fear of their "flaws" being seen and magnified.

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Lady Macbeth
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posted February 25, 2006 05:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
then again, I could be full of crap...


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newbie
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posted February 25, 2006 06:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,

So that I won't keep putting it off too long again: Thanks for your response.
I will see about continuing to ask questions. Part of me feels that it might be better to "take a break" from taking in too much astrological information for a while, since my mind keeps revolving around those astrological issues that, despite making every effort to be radically honest with myself, I just can't seem to find myself in. I've had similar issues with the data of some friends/acquaintances. But I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe I'll be wiser after my Saturn return, though I already have an idea what it is mainly going to be about (given that it happens to coincide with important exams, and most likely the finalization of my official studies, as well).

LadyMacbeth and LeoSweetHeart - Thank you for your contributions. I'm surprised anyone not directly involved in the discussion so far actually took the time to read through all of this. Personally, I don't know about Jupiter square Saturn, but Venus in Virgo and Venus square Neptune seem to make sense to me. Maybe Tim, or someone else, can provide you with more detailed/useful information.

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posted February 25, 2006 06:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops - SavageScorpio, hadn't seen your reply when posting . Thanks for contributing.

Lady Macbeth, what you're saying about Venus in Virgo doesn't sound like "crap" to me at all .

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted February 25, 2006 07:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea Lady Macbeth, that interpretation makes sense to moi and its pretty right on in my case

Savage Scorpio, You may be right. I have been this way for most of my life though. Also if being introverted is related to social anxiety, as I think the latter is an extreme expression, then there is a lot of evidence that it is in fact innate. There have been numerous twin studies that show monozygotic twins reared apart are much more likely to have that trait in common than dizygotic twins or siblings that are not twins. However I don't know how related introversion and social phobia are. Just a theory of mine.

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wilsontc
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posted February 26, 2006 12:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lady,

You asked:

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Anyone have thoughts on Jupiter square Saturn contributing to social phobias? I think that aspect produces low self esteem which might be a factor for folks with social/performance anxiety.

My thoughts are Jupiter (expansion, wisdom) square (energy needs to be combined with) Saturn (duty, also restriction, structure) indicates a need to resolve the urge to be expansively wise with the urge to be careful and restrictive about what sort of "expansive" takes place. If this issue between expansion and contraction is not resolved the person can go back and forth: "up" one day and "down" the next, "wise" one day and "unknowing" the next, etc. The challenge is to expand in a structured way, so that expansion occurs in regular, steady progress.

This could indicate a social phobia if the person for some reason focused more on the Saturn "restrictive" part of the aspect...then they would be "down" more than they were "up" and may be depressed a lot of the time. However, if the person has Jupiter and Saturn equally focused on, the person's social image of themselves can change from week to week or day to day.

Expansively structured,

Tim

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Lady Macbeth
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posted February 26, 2006 12:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know several people with this placement...seems to be a very challenging one for them.

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wilsontc
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posted February 26, 2006 12:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
newbie,

You said:

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I will see about continuing to ask questions. Part of me feels that it might be better to "take a break" from taking in too much astrological information for a while, since my mind keeps revolving around those astrological issues that, despite making every effort to be radically honest with myself, I just can't seem to find myself in. I've had similar issues with the data of some friends/acquaintances. But I'm trying to keep an open mind.

By all means take a break if you feel you are becoming "over-astrologized". And, of course, in doing charts of those closest to us we may see aspects which we would rather NOT see, or which we don't know how to understand, since these charts are not our own experiences, but those of someone else.

As you have probably heard many times, start with your own chart, and work to understand that. If it doesn't make sense to you after awhile, let it go, and return to it later. You can keep "dipping" into your chart from time to time, perhaps looking at a transit or two when life seems particularly challenging, just to see if anything is going on. And, over the years, maybe you will develop a greater interest and understanding in astrology. But don't force this new understanding...it will come in its own time!

Suggesting,

Tim

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