posted February 11, 2006 02:57 AM            

it is an aspect of circumstance

posted February 11, 2006 04:15 PM            

Actually, mine's a Yod, since both the outers are quincunx the Moon, and I have a planet at the release-point too, making it a Boomerang. So there is a light at the end of my tunnel

And I would rather have some "itches I can't scratch" -- challenging aspects rather than soft ones -- because that gets me up off my complacent tush, and imho hard aspects allow more opportunity for spiritual/emotional growth than the soft aspects. They may not mean an easy life, but the benefits have always outweighed the pain.....

posted February 11, 2006 07:25 PM              

To add my voice to the chorus , a quincunx can be described as an aspect of adjustment. It indicates "energy needs to be adjusted by" and forces the person to make some steps in balancing out two energies which feel "slightly off" with each other.

Adding this into your question:
Venus (physical/relationships) quincunx (energy needs to be adjusted by) Uranus (friends, also rebellion), indicating relationships needs to adjusted with the urge for friendships (and individuality)

Pluto (trnasformation, also power) quincunx (energy needs to be adjusted by) Ascendent (self), indicating power needs to be adjusted with personal duty (Capricorn) needs

Quincunxing,

posted February 11, 2006 07:48 PM            

I've read that the aspect config is only a "true" Yod if the apex planet is the fastest-moving of the three. What's your take on that??

Stargazer ~

'A mess in a dress'?!? No way! I've seen your posts
What are the signs + degrees of your Yod planets?? My Boomerang ("enhanced" Yod! ) is:
Moon (apex) 26 Pisces
Neptune 23 Libra
Mars 22 Virgo
Pluto 24 Leo

I suppose there are some orby-type sticklers who wouldn't allow my Mars as the release-point of the Yod, being as the semi-sextiles probably shouldn't be more than a degree in orb.....

'Zala

posted February 12, 2006 12:59 AM              

As you know, my motto is, "Simpler is better!" So I think of the birth chart as a NON-moving chart and the transit chart as a chart in which the outside moves and the inside is still. So there is no "slower" or "faster" planets in the birth "non-moving" chart. And in transit "moving" charts there are no aspect patterns, only individual aspects.

Non-moving,

posted February 13, 2006 07:49 AM              

From CafeAstrology:

Aspects in Astrology: The Inconjunct or Quincunx

The inconjunct or quincunx (the terms are generally used interchangeably) aspect in astrology is formed between planets that are roughly 150 degrees apart. If we use an orb of 2 degrees, the planets or points in question can be anywhere from 148 degrees to 152 degrees apart.

The planets and points involved in a quincunx don't understand each other. Unless it's an out-of-sign quincunx, the signs not only are of a different element, they are also of a different modality. For example, take Leo-Pisces. Leo is Fixed Fire, while Pisces is Mutable Water. It's difficult to see common ground between the signs.

Some keywords that describe quincunxes are: redirecting, challenging, requiring adjustments, diverting.

What I have found is that people with quincunxes tend to compartmentalize the two areas of life indicated by the planets and points involved.

When we express one of the planets or points involved in an opposition, the other planet or point feels "left out". Nevertheless, the opportunities to find a balance are there. With the quincunx as well, it can be difficult to merge the energies of the planets involved. But the difference here is that there is a sense that the two cannot be merged, and this is where compartmentalization comes into play. The areas of life described by the planets tend to conflict with each other—not in as overt a way as is commonly seen with a square or opposition, but the individual separates them either consciously or unconsciously. This is why adjustment is associated with the quincunx—both planets/points represent distinct needs and areas of life, and it can take a lot of energy to sort them into different compartments!

A couple of examples will shed some more light on the theory. With a Moon-Venus quincunx, our emotions (Moon) and our values/love nature (Venus) are difficult to blend. We feel the need to separate satisfying the needs of our Moon (by sign, house, and aspect) and the needs of our Venus (by sign, house, and aspect). This will play out in a variety of ways, depending on the individual involved, and depending on what the Moon and Venus represent, by way of their position and what houses they rule in the chart.

Take for example a mother with this Moon quincunx Venus aspect. She might have a difficult time blending her romantic life with her role as a mother. If she is married, she may compartmentalize her role as a romantic partner and her role as a mother. She might slot the two roles/needs into different categories, and find it too uncomfortable to take on both roles at once. If she is unmarried, she may have a difficult time even imagining that she could fulfill her children's needs and her partner's needs in a harmonious way if they are done at the same time. She won't neglect either role, but she will separate them. As a result, much energy is spent in her life trying to deal with both roles or needs at different times.

Now, she may consciously separate these areas of life, slotting them in such a way to keep them separate, or she may feel like life circumstances force her to do so. Whatever the perception, the challenge is coming from within her because it does not feel natural for her to blend the two areas of her life. Integrating the energies of these planets within her is the only solution if she feels outside forces are causing her to make constant, energy-draining adjustments.

On another level, if we equate the Moon with what makes her feel comfortable, and Venus with what makes her feel good, there can be a conflict between her social life and her need for safety. She can feel ill at ease in social situations. Perhaps a vague sense of guilt or fear accompanies her when she is playing the social butterfly. When she isolates herself, however, and tends to her inner sense of peace, she might feel lonely and unloved. Because Venus rules pleasure and money, she may find that spending money on herself, or on things that seem frivolous, takes away from her family or home in some way. Another possibility is that the people she is romantically attracted to threaten her sense of security in her family. Perhaps her family does not approve of her partners, or she has difficulty integrating her friends and partners with her family. Conversely, her partners may have difficulty accepting her family.

Moon quincunx Venus is associated with overindulgence. It is not hard to imagine that a person with this aspect may overdo comfort food, spending, and so forth because a quincunx, when it is not integrated and handled properly, leads to dissatisfaction with both planets. The Moon and Venus both deal with comfort and pleasure, and if we're unhappy with these areas of life, we are certainly more prone to overcompensating.

Another example: A man with Venus quincunx Mars. In this case, his Venus is in Cancer and Mars is in Sagittarius. The differences between the needs of the signs involved are emphasized because of the additional energies of the quincunx. (If a quincunx weren't formed between these planets, and he simply had Venus in Cancer and Mars in Sagittarius, there isn't a critical relationship established between the energies of the planets). His needs for nurturance, closeness, and warmth in romantic situations and in partnership are at odds with his sexual and assertive needs. If we tear this down to basics by equating Venus with love/partnership and Mars with sex, we might find that this man will find a way to compartmentalize these two needs instead of attempting to merge them. Perhaps he will maintain a romantic partnership (such as a marriage) and find other outlets for his sexual needs by way of affairs in which he can act out his more fiery, independent sexual nature that seems to run counter to his need for security, romance, and tenderness in love. Because he doesn't naturally see a way to integrate the two energies, he feels the need to separate them. As with the example above, he may feel he has to do this for some reason or another. Perhaps he feels his sexual drive will interfere with the harmony (Venus) or family goals (Cancer) of his partnership.

This aspect often plays out in such a way that people who he is romantically attracted to are radically different than those he is sexually attracted to. Taken at a different level, let's equate Venus with finances and Mars with sports. Perhaps he has to face the problem of not having the funds to finance his sports endeavors. If we equate Venus with comfort and Mars with action, we might find that he can't, for example, go on a vacation that combines lots of activities with leisure. He will do one or the other! Or, he may satisfy his desire to travel (Mars in Sagittarius) outside of his partnership by going on trips without his partner. If we equate Venus with harmony, and Mars with assertiveness, we might find that this man separates the two drives/needs as well. He may go out of his way to avoid asserting himself or getting angry with his partner, feeling that it would be disastrous to his partnership, and redirect that anger into another area of life. If Mars rules his 6th house, for example, he might channel much of his aggression and assertion into his job. As a result, he may seem like an entirely different person at work than he is at home with his partner.

Sun quincunx Moon in the natal chart suggests an individual who seems to live life constantly making adjustments and concessions. There can be a tendency to offer too much and then feeling taken advantage of. Passive-aggressiveness can be a problem as well. The native seems to expect that he or she has to make compromises in life in order to get what he or she wants, but in the process, undervalues his or her needs. When the native expresses his or her will (Sun), he or she feels vaguely insecure, as the emotions don't "back up" the will. When the native expresses his or her needs (Moon), the ego balks. Indecisiveness is the result, as well as a tendency to be quite unfocused, tense, on edge, and largely unsettled. The native needs to work on accepting both the Sun and the Moon in his or her personality in order to feel whole and to avoid sabotaging relationships and life goals with self-defeating attitudes.

The bottom line, I have found, with the quincunx is that the quincunx's "owner" perceives the energies of the two planets as very separate and has difficulty satisfying the divergent needs concurrently. Adjustments that can be energy-draining are felt to be necessary and accepted as a fact of life. From the outside looking in, we might be puzzled as to why the person cannot fulfill the needs simultaneously. Often, the individual has no idea why this cannot be done, and might blame life circumstances or others for the problem.

Some astrologers have associated quincunxes with health problems. This makes sense, because the way I see it, there is a lot of misplaced energy involved when the individual works to compartmentalize the planets and points involved in a quincunx. Guilt and a sense of failure are often a by-product of the quincunx, and these can certainly contribute to health problems.

Quincunxes show areas of weakness, in terms of low self-esteem, that others find easy to prey upon. The individual, by not accepting the areas of life represented by the planets in quincunx, leaves himself or herself open to being taken advantage of. Quincunxes point to an area where we may have an inferiority complex. We have difficulty integrating these energies into our personality to the point where we are not happy with either energy. Feeding one planet's needs is a separate activity from feeding the other planet's energies. A vague sense of guilt is often the result, and this can undermine confidence with both energies.

The key to handling quincunxes is, firstly, knowledge, and then integration. Awareness that the discrepancy lies within the personality is essential before integration can occur. Quincunxes can often make us feel that external events or other people are forcing us to separate, compartmentalize, or redirect the energies of the planets involved. We need to understand that it is, in fact, ourselves who are compartmentalizing. These needs are especially difficult to integrate because they are not as "in your face" as aspects like the square or opposition, and the nature of the quincunx itself is awkward.

posted February 14, 2006 11:24 AM              

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Quincunxes show areas of weakness...

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Can you elaborate how you define that 'area'?? Signs and/or houses planets are in? Are the planet have in common? Area the planets clash? waht is more important - what planets represent or where they are?

posted March 05, 2006 12:49 AM            

Found an article that agrees with you (I think?) about using points (MC/AC) as part of a Yod, and also uses your word "Adjustment" as the keyword for quincunx.....

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I meant to ask what a Yod was.

Ohhh, a yod. OK. A yod is a particular aspect configuration involving at least 3 planets (or an angle: MC/IC, or Ascendant/Descendant). Two of the planets will be sextiled (60 degrees apart) and each planet or angle in the sextile will be quincunx (150 degrees) from the third, which is the "apex" of the yod.

If you 'connect the dots', it looks something like a narrow pyramid, or... a cannon.

[Please refer to the Subject: Re: Yods with Mars and Saturn on my Q&A page for my explanation of what I term "the cannonball effect".]

The yod configuration is also called the "finger of God". In addition to being a midpoint structure, it has a lot of impact because of the particular aspects which comprise a yod.

The quincunx aspect (discovered and/or publicized by the great astronomer, Kepler; a deed for which some of us will never forgive him) is one of the major appendages to the standard roster of the 5 Ptolemaic aspects, yet some astrologers still consider it a minor aspect. It isn't.

The quincunx has been noticed frequently in death charts; some astrologers parallel this propinquity to the fact that, from the Ascendant in the natural or equal houses, the quincunx will equate to either the cusp of the 6th house (illness, hardship), or the 8th house (death, crisis, loss). This is why some astrologers (including me) consider it to be a fateful aspect and a difficult one.

The planets' energies have to combine, but there is no straightforward way for them to 'resolve', or interact -- no apparent conflict, as with a square or an opposition; no fusion, as with the conjunction; and no flow, as with the trine or sextile -- so the result is something like a train wreck: neither saw the other coming.

A quincunx, because of this nebulous imperative to combine energies that can't 'see' each other, can often translate in natal charts to obsessive/compulsive disorders, and other sorts of chronic, unresolvable conditions. Like house work, it is never 'finished'. Unlike a square, which creates a situation of tension and release (achievement; resolution), the quincunx is the astrological equivalent of a coma, since its energies are largely unconscious or subconscious throughout life and impossible to finish.

Now, when you have two of these lovely quincunxes joined together by a sextile to create a yod, you have a fateful situation. What is fate? That which cannot be controlled or altered. Why cannot a thing be controlled or altered? Because it is either subconscious, or beyond one's control -- thus the enigmatic moniker of the "Finger of God".

A yod will typically work out in a natal chart as some form of chronic (unfinishable) situation, such as illness, neuroses, habit formations one cannot change, etc. But, since it is always happening (like a memory
resident program on a computer), it is continually exuding the energy characterized by its planets, and their signs, and the houses in which they're posited... and in most cases this corresponds to some manner of creativity, because the energy must find an outlet for continual release.

With regard to the "cannonball effect" I mentioned above, and about which I've written briefly on my Q&A page, it is most potent when either the Sun, or the Midheaven, comprise one point of the yod. This is because by true Solar Arc direction, the Secondary Progressed Sun and Midheaven move forward in lockstep so that when either hit a natal planet or angle, that natal planet or angle gets shot by the whole cannon -- the Solar Arc directed yod. Remember, the most potent progressed hits will involve either the natal or progressed angles. Of course the difficulty of the manifestation depends on the planets comprising the yod! If it's Mercury, Jupiter, and MC, I wouldn't be nearly as worried as if it were Mars, Saturn, and MC.

If a yod were a cod, we'd all go fishing; but it's more shark than a lark, despite all our wishing.

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posted March 05, 2006 02:49 AM            

"The quincunx has been noticed frequently in death charts; some astrologers parallel this propinquity to the fact that, from the Ascendant in the natural or equal houses, the quincunx will equate to either the cusp of the 6th house (illness, hardship), or the 8th house (death, crisis, loss). This is why some astrologers (including me) consider it to be a fateful aspect and a difficult one."

Very interesting!! I suppose this definition can apply in synasty...

When my dad died, I was dating a Capricorn. Her Ascendant (Aries) is quincunx to my Scorpio Sun. And my Ascendant (Leo) is quincunx to her Capricorn Sun!!!!

posted March 05, 2006 12:19 PM              

Sticking to life charts,