posted March 02, 2006 05:16 PM              

In a karmic sense, the Moon’s Nodes represent lessons to be learned in this Earthly incarnation. These lessons almost always have to do with the way we connect with others. That’s why the Nodes are associated with patterns of relating, and the wisdom to be found within them is often the key to recognizing and healing patterns of relating which stand in the way of our happiness.

The Nodes are a pair. The North Node is always directly opposite the South Node. If you want to really understand them, it’s wise to study the 12 signs as pairs of opposites—Aries/Libra, Taurus/Scorpio, and so on. Like the yin/yang symbol, each sign contains the shadow of its opposite. For example, every Aries has a secret wish to be loved and accepted, and every Libra has a “gotta be me” side (or an angry side) that comes out no matter how nice she tries to be.

The South Node represents habit patterns from childhood or from past lives. These are comfortable patterns, but they often get in the way of you having the kinds of connections you want with other people. These are especially powerful if you have a planet conjunct the South Node in your chart.

The sign and house placement of the South Node tells where you have a tendency to totally overdo things. There is a longing there, a craving that is very strong. The nature of this longing is shown by the sign of the South Node. For example, in Taurus, the craving is for material security. In Leo, for recognition. In Gemini, for information.

The sign and house of the North Node represent circumstances and activities that usually feel unfamiliar. It’s the “secret shadow” of the South Node sign, and it’s the key to getting that craving met. That’s why the North node reveals an area of massive growth potential in your life. It’s the key to getting energy flowing.

posted March 04, 2006 06:10 PM              

You are welcome.

Doesn't the MC in Pisces seem like it would be congruent with theme of your hobbies? I hate to pay attention to that Neptune Squared to it, but I guess we must. Do you have any other Aspects to your MC? What House is that Neptune in? Is it a tight Aspect? Try not to let it jinx you.

jkxx -

I need to talk with you further regarding your struggle with the 4th House. Sounds like you would be able to relate to my situation as well. You say you never had a stable home life, no reasonable degree of comfort at home, that you moved around a lot, that it's mostly been a nightmare for you, and seems no solution in sight. That's me too, and my NN is in my 4th too. It is Conj my Uranus (unexpected changes). Can you temporarily post an email addy so we can compare notes privately? Would you feel comfortable with that? I'd be grateful. Thanks!

tbone -

What House is your NN in?

GemStar -

Good advice! Thanks.

chrissymgreen -

Hee hee ... well, my NN is Conjunct my Uranus, the Ruler of my South Node. Never really thought about how that plays into whether it pulls me back to that South Node. What do you think?

Thanks for that info on Mean vs. True. I respect Noel Tyl's stuff. The difference between mine is just under 2 Degrees.

Regarding the Solar Arc, is that the same as the Solar Arc Directed? Knowflake Jazzebel is the only one here who has experience with it, and it's rare to find someone who is really really experienced with it, which is TOTALLY necessary if you want to expect anything close to accurate.

posted March 04, 2006 06:51 PM              

i just spent 2 hours in a small 4 seater plane, flying to austin (TX) with my dad, i feel so exhilarated. im also pressed for time, we're waiting on a rental car so we can go find some place to eat. i hope i have enough time to respond.

you said your uranus is conjunct your NN, right? in leo. and of course, uranus is the dispositor of your SN. generally, what i think ends up happening with planet/NN conjunctions is that you know that path so well, youve spent many many lives working on your NN issues from this life, and at some point in order to attain some kind of balance you need to focus on the SN -- the qualities of the sign, the area of life ruled by the house the SN is in. what is happening with your chart is interesting, in that uranus, the ruler of the SN, is conjunct the NN. i would think then, that you would be able to EXCEL at attaining this kind of balance! focusing on the SN in aqua for you would immediately somehow tie in to your NN. this is v. interesting! i would check and see what maurice fernandez thinks about this, he has that evolutionary astrology board and he's so knowledgable, i just love reading his stuff.

as for SAs, yes, solar arc directed means the same thing as solar arcs. this is VERY fascinating to me, as i just got noel's book on the topic about a month ago, and i have spent the whole month filling a notebook with direct and indirect arcs i have experienced in the past few years, and ive noted ones im going to experience.

i cant get over how SA MC arced into hard aspect with my natal moon (ruler of my 10th) the VERY MONTH i got my current job, which i adore...its what i love doing, graphic design, in an environment i also love, a university. it doesnt get any better than that!

and then, when i met the person i last had a relationship with, the one i always talk about, uranus had arced into hard aspect with my natal sun (which is ruler of my 11th). and i am not a social person really, i tend to hole up and not go out and socialize, but amazingly, my social life turned around that day that i met this person, very suddenly too. in keeping with uranus.

then when we broke up, chiron had arced into hard aspect (only hard aspects count) with my natal moon. the chiron experience always brings raw, emotionally challenging but tender experiences. truly amazing.

at the same time, i was also experiencing neptune=nn, this means neptune had arced into hard aspect with my natal mean node. this means "possible breakdown of relationship". how freaking true!

arcs just amaze me. it really is astrology's most successful predictive system. you know how to check your arcs using astro.com, right? just go to astrodienst, under extended chart selection choose "natal, progressed, and solar arc combined" under type of chart you want. download the PDF file, and then open it...on the 3rd page is the solar arc chart and the aspectarian grid. i believe the solar arc planets and points are on the left side of the grid, and the natals up at the top. look to see what you have going on. all of the orbs will be small, because basically you want to be looking for exact arcs. if the arc is applying by 1 degree, the perfection is a year away. if it is applying by 30 minutes, it is 6 months away. if it is applying by 5 minutes, it is 1 month away. see how that works? and then, the aspect grid lists conjunctions, opps, squares, sesquiquadrates, and semisquares which will be the aspects you will want to pay attention to. it also lists quintiles and some others...dont pay any attention to those. the arcs you are checking are called direct arcs. direct arcs will really "sing" for about 1 and a half years time...1 year applying and 6 months separating...an event in keeping with the arc will occur when you experience "trigger transits". like for instance, let's just say you have the moon arcing to your natal sun. you would check to see just when your sun will be activated by exact transits, particularly the outer planets to the sun. you will also want to check and see what your secondary progressed moon is doing, for timing of events.

indirect arcs are much harder to spot, because they are arcs of the solar arc planets and points to natal MIDPOINTS. i did all mine by hand...it was a long process. but still, rewarding. indirect arcs will only sing for about a month.

FUN FUN stuff! i would be interested in discussing this with you further if you want. i am a total arc convert now.

posted March 04, 2006 07:22 PM              

Dunno? Why dunno?

My NN is in Leo in the 4th. Feels impossible, actually.

chrissymgreen -

Thanks for your thoughts on my NN Conj Uranus. It DOES seem like that may be why my SN feels so comfortable to me, but I'm not sure that it's helping me achieve my NN. That's been destined to be a failure from the get-go, sans a major miracle SOON.

Would you consider the effect of my Conj to be the same as the effect on someone with a Sun Conj SN? I was assuming it would make their trip towards the NN more difficult.

And regarding the Solar Arc Directed, I don't know why I remember someone, maybe Jazzebel, said that you couldn't use astro.com for this. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I just remember that it is really difficult to master. Are you sure that option on astro.com is THE Solar Arc DIRECTED?

Don't know if you caught my recent thread calling Jazzebel to give her the results of her Solar Arc Directed for me for the beginning of this year. It was SCARY accurate...

You should start a thread calling her up to discuss and exchange notes... it would give us a chance to make sure that option on astro.com can be used as a accurate tool.

posted March 04, 2006 07:27 PM              

Forgot to mention something else you might find cool, my NN in Leo is Conjunct a SINGLETON Uranus in Leo (only Fire).

Also, my MC is in Aquarius, but NOT Conjunct my SN.

PS: My NN progress is not progressing, with no hope in sight.

posted March 04, 2006 09:40 PM              

oh yes, the solar arc option on astro.com are solar arc directions, i confirmed this with noel tyl on his forum.

gotta run, or else id respond to the rest, going to fly back to FW now!

posted March 04, 2006 11:39 PM            

I’ve been thinking about your question for a few days now. After reading several interps about my NN in Capricorn, I believe I’m headed in the right direction, and in some ways have actually come a lot further than I had expected. A short quote for NN in Cappy: “A tendency to be overly attached to our childhood and past, to be dependent on others and avoid accepting responsibility for our lives, to fear rejection to an extreme thereby missing opportunities, and to be overly focused on emotional problems are some of the issues this position suggests.” And a short quote for NN in the 5th: “A tendency to rely on others who may let us down, to come across as impersonal or distant in our dealings with others, to be fearful of being the center of attention and standing out as an individual, to fear taking risks, and to fall back on peers and community at the expense of our own individuality are some of the issues this position suggests.”

As Touchstone succinctly said I see myself as striving to be independent and in charge of my own destiny -- and I’ve made real progress there in the last two decades. Financially I’ve supported myself totally since I was 25. I’ve become The Answer Lady everyone calls at work to solve issues. I teach others (at work, and with my son) to use the tools at their disposal to become more independent and self-reliant, and I’ve increased my skills at helping others because of my own progress towards self-sufficiency. I used to dread standing in front of a group of people and emptying my brain for their benefit – now it’s a fun challenge to see what questions my group will come up with regarding the training and how we can, within the framework and structure we must abide by, solve the problems that arise. At times, I still really long for other people to solve all my problems for me, but I’m learning that this lifetime just isn’t set up that way, and I have to do it for myself.

It may sound incredibly obvious, but it was a revelation when I discovered that I DID have the power to resolve my own trials. Coming from a very protected childhood, sheltered even, allowed me to feel South-Node-safe: that someone else would take care of the scary dangerous stuff in life for me. I’ll always be grateful to my dad for giving me the mental tools to “do-it-yourself”. I’ve learned that if I don’t have the answer to an issue or challenge, I know how to seek out someone with the skills to help, or where to search for solutions on my own.

The ultra-sensitivity I came to this lifetime with is something I still have to concentrate on and work on overcoming. Fear, Anger, Guilt and Insecurity are the bane of Goat-Noders, and conscious effort still needs to be expended to prevail over the desire to indulge in these negative emotions. The happy-go-lucky Leo Asc is an enormous help for me, and also the drive for balance that comes with a Libra Sun. Setting appropriate goals is another challenge I have yet to master – although I still believe that patiently going with the flow, and trying not to push, is the best way to allow the Universe to bring me what lies out there in the way of opportunity (although Mars in the 1st usually has other ideas about that ). I always seem to meet people that have exactly the right answer for a puzzling question I’ve been struggling with, or help me to learn a specific lesson or skill that is needed just at that time in order for me to move on and progress. I’m so grateful that serendipity seems to be very active in my life!

So, AJ, I feel pretty good about where I’m at, and thanks for the pulse-taking, to delve into the whys and wherefores!!

posted March 06, 2006 11:04 AM              

ok, to address your nodal issues we were talking about...

now, let's see, so you have uranus/NN in leo in the 4th, right? and SN is in aqua in the 10th.

so taking cues from maurice fernandez (he's really great when it comes to understanding nodal themes), let's see...with SN in aqua in 10th, ruler uranus in leo in 4th conjunct NN (god, how do you do it! this seems awfully complex, difficult), this would mean that you're coming from a place where you were detached, focused on group dynamics...from a community type place?...in your calling or profession, in a very public manner. you maybe came in from a life where you were a group leader of some kind...and in this life, this dynamic is very tied in to your spiritual growth (sn ruler conjunct nn)!

perhaps since SN ruler is in leo in 4th, you were the head of household of many people...? i dont know...im thinking about this one still.

i see a soul who has come into this life needing very much to work on her SN in order to achieve the NN growth so necessary for fulfillment.

ooh! so wait, your SN in aqua, that alone would indicate a detachment, or maybe some kind of mental approach in your past. in the 10th, this would have occured in public, perhaps in your profression...OR, maybe it was just an appearance, since the 10th is about appearances. then the SN ruler being in the 4th...gosh...this detachment in your profression affected your home life? your domestic life? perhaps in a negative way, and THAT is why you came into this life needing to work on that (SN ruler conjunct NN). resolving those SN issues will balance you out, in a manner of speaking, and pull you forward to the NN.

i dont know, i know im not great at this, i wish i could offer you so much more. reading over MF's evolutionary astro board on the nodes makes me feel dumb, because i dont have a good grasp on it like he does. he puts it together so effortlessly.

as for me, im right there with ya. my *chart ruler* is venus, and that is conjunct my NN on the 5th cusp. so...shoot, i dont know, i feel pretty accomplished in a general way, with the aquarian type approach to love, pleasure, creative projects. i can do that with ease, but it's not enough. i dont feel balanced, completely. i guess that is because i havent resolved my SN issues really. my SN is in leo (past life where i attained honors, recognition? ego success?) in a group setting (11th house)...something like that. oh! i could have gained some sort of rewards, honors, ego recognition for my humanitiarian efforts. with my SN ruler being the sun in pisces in the 6th exactly opposed pluto in 12th, with moon squaring both of them in 3rd...CRAP, i dont know. but the sn ruler being sun in pisces in 6th really reinforces that prior position of service, doesnt it?

i am going to think on your nodes some more.

as for SAs, i am totally going to start a new thread...would you mind giving me your birth data? i can check your current SAs and see if there's any current direct arcs going on, and i will provide you with some info from noel tyl's book. we can see what matches up. ill do that in a new thread, how does that sound? and ill address jazzebel (is it jaz or jez? i cant remember!) and see if she has any notes shed like to compare/anything to add. ive only been studying SAs since january, so im relatively new to them..

posted March 06, 2006 11:58 AM              

Yes tight aspect. Neptune11*Sagi in my 6th house exactly square MC11*Pisces.

Other aspects are My Sun/Pluto conjunction (this is a tight conj too, 1*orb, 4th house) is quincunx my MC.

But luckily I have My Venus/Uranus conjunction (3*orb, 5th house) trined MC!

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

posted March 08, 2006 04:09 AM              

It DOES sound incredibly obvious, even before you pointed it out. I think I need to tell you, your NN/SN Axis is a picnic compared to a Moon/Saturn Opposition in the same Signs.

I guess that's why it sounds so incredibly obvious to me. There's been a lot of work there as far as my experience.

I'm glad you put some thought into it and I'm so glad that you feel like you are doing fine with it all. I can say that about some other stuff in my Chart, but not my NN/SN... (yet)...

chrissymgreen -

The brain work you are putting into this is making my brain hurt. Hee hee .... yeah, but it's good to get it from someone outside of myself who might have a grasp on it. You know?

I mean, yeah, you've really touched on a whole lot, especially :::

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coming from a place where you were detached, focused on group dynamics...from a community type place?...in your calling or profession, in a very public manner. you maybe came in from a life where you were a group leader of some kind...and in this life, this dynamic is very tied in to your spiritual growth (sn ruler conjunct nn)!

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this detachment in your profression affected your home life? your domestic life? perhaps in a negative way, and THAT is why you came into this life needing to work on that (SN ruler conjunct NN)

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I don't know if I give out a vibe or appearance of detachment around others. Could be, but it's not always what I'm feeling. But when my 10th House stuff combines with my Moon in Cancer Opposite Saturn in Capricorn stuff ... I'm just a rose, (YES I AM!!) ....

But it makes sense because when I DO think of those "detached attachments" I have about my childhood memories, there are a lot of questions as to how loved I was. Perhaps I've internalized that too much. (Moon/Saturn Opp?)

Thank you so much for your time.

Hexxie -

Yup... you're a lucky duck ...

tbone -

That would make your SN in Cancer in the 5th House? How is THAT going?