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GemStar
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posted March 24, 2006 06:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once a day would not quite work IMHO.

Interactions with others happen all day long...I believe you need to be aware of the energies around you and THEN shield yourself whenever you come in contact with energy which is too draining for you (how ever many times in a day you need). No doubt it is highly individualistic in nature for each person.

Awareness is the key to the shield...I do not think it is something that you do once a day and forget about!! Ha,ha....wish it could be so easy....there are too many stimulations throughout the day to manage with 'one' layer first thing in the AM!!

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BlueTopaz124
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posted March 24, 2006 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing I learned in this meditation class I took that was very helpful...the class was specifically aimed at helping us shield ourselves, since most of us who are aware of how hard it can be for an empath to live with the constant energy coming our way...is this:

When you're talking to someone and the tone or nature of the conversation gets too heavy, or the subject matter weighs on you or is someone you just have a hard time with because of their energy, picture a beautiful rose between the two of you. That way, their energy is going into the rose instead of you. They will, on a subconscious level know what is going on, but consciously, they won't, and will either lose concentration in what they're talking about or change the subject and lose the intensity...do it and watch what happens. You can do it while you're on the phone with someone...works beautifully.

Another one is called Body of Glass - when you're walking through a room of people you aren't comfortable with, imagine yourself to be transparent, like glass. That way their energy focus on you goes right through and you won't absorb any of their energy. In a way you do 'disappear', the way the instructor explained it, is because you're shielding yourself, kind of like cloaking, pulling in your energy.

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GemStar
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posted March 25, 2006 06:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Blue! I am going to try the 'rose' in-between us thing....it will be interesting to see if it works on the phone!!

The transparent one I am not so sure of...it would be easier to do if you (as a personality) did not attract people to you when walking into a room. Meaning-it might work easier if you were a wall-flower!! Otherwise, I do not see the invisibility shield working so well. Each person is different in a crowded room and attracts or not attracts attention...if you are a person who readily attracts attention, has this technique worked for you?

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GemStar
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posted March 25, 2006 06:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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mysticaldream
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posted March 25, 2006 07:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really, really like the rose idea! I will start trying that today. I have also read you can imagine a mirror shield around you so that someone's energy goes back to them.
I think that I would have a hard time with the invisibility one, also but a rose, that should be an easy one. Thanks for the great info!

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Betelgeuse
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posted March 25, 2006 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betelgeuse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Rose visualisation is certainly an excellent way at diverting heavy and dominant energy, however it creates somewhat of a paradox - true communication is lost and blockages are formed in some way or another, either for them or us, we start relying on erecting defensive-type walls to deal with 'heavy' energy.

I frequently use the symbolic image of a wave lapping onto a beach when describing energy interactions between people.
I feel nature has many ways of showing us our innate connectedness.

For example, if we find ourselves in a situation where a person is communicating an idea/feeling to us, and the impact of this energy upon us feels heavy and adverse, this is normally because we are not truly listening to them. And the more we feel avertion towards the heaviness of their aura, the more they try to reach towards us with more force, on a subconscious level, they feel our withdrawal or disinterest.

In the image of the beach and the wave, lets imagine you are the beach and they are the wave. The natural movement of their wave upon your beach is an ebb and flow, backward and forward, to and fro. The wave will lap into the beach, pause, then withdraw back to its own ocean. The space left between them is the silent understanding, the invisible nourishiment the motion provides. Movement stirs things into active communication, and stillness grows that which the movement has created.

If we find ourselves in a situation with quite an oppressive person, whose wave is quite dominant upon our own beach, then often our natural reaction is to stop listening, turn off, turn away. This can initially make the wave of the other person strive harder, push further onto your beach, and hence we start to feel their energy as over-imposing upon us. The natural ebb and flow of the wave has been lost, instead we have a beach in withdrawal and a wave overstretching itself.

And this is where the many visualisation and meditative techqiues have arisen to combat this imbalance, the help protect us from over-bearing waves. The rose technique is one of many, that acts as a kind of 'sand barrier' to the wave. Its like building a giant wall of sand, so their wave can no longer penetrate to your centre, its very much a defensive wall used in the name of creativity. And it does work. Soon you will notice the persons wave starts to dissipate, they lose their train of thought, their mental clarity and focus wanes, and before long, they have difficulty even articulating their thoughts. The link of communication has been temporarily broken up.

Now consider a situation where you have REALLY listened to another person. You have been totally involved in them, you resonate to every expression in their face, every movement of their body, every deviation of voice tone, the minute changes in their eyes. You will often find that when you listen to a person like this, they suddenly are able to express themselves very clearly indeed. Their words have a defining edge, their whole personality shines with a bright clarity. In some cases, this 'connection' you both feel together, can send shivers down your spine, and rushes of excitement in your stomach, you truly resonate with what they are saying. It feels like you can hear their thoughts almost before they articulate them. They do not speak for overly-long periods, they allow pauses for the energy to shift from them to you. You find that if you listen truly to them, they are willing to truly listen to you.

Symbolically, your beach has not erceted any barriers. You acceot the wave onto your shore, you are receptive, yielding, open. And they sense this, on the deepest of levels. And if you dont raise any obstructive barriers, or try to turn away from the other person wave, then they do not push forward harder. They no longer feel the need to become overbearing. Because their dominant and over-reaching waves are only a result of them trying to gain a connection with you. And so they reach too far, we pull back too far, and thats how the imbalance is created, its completely mutual. In our receptive natures, their wave can return to its natural ebb and flow. Their wave will caress your beach, then withdraw, leaving the soace for your own approach, the absent magic so to speak.

Of course there are some people who are naturally overbearing and 'heavy' in their enegies towards you. These people are like this with everyone. They talk a lot, they leave little room for pauses, they generally do not listen to you when you are speaking, instead they are just thinking of their next thing to say. And sooner rather than later, we become exhautsed of their one-sided natures, no connection is formed.
However, is it possible to change this interaction with them. It is harder to do than the rose visualisation because it requires you to show intial tolerance, patience, and a real focus on trying to understand the person speaking, where as the Rose will only seek to divert.

An empathic person has both a great strength and weakness compared to less empathic people. Their greatest weakness is being open to many peoples dominant waves which will lap deeply into their own beaches. And often they will have to adapt protective techniques to sustain inner balance and peace.
Their greatest strength is their ability to REALLY listen and feel the other persons waves, they can attune with so much more sensitivty than others. And this strength then opens them to establiching REAL deep connections with others, being able to truly understand the hearts of others and engage in hugely nourshing communication.
Looking at it like this, the empaths greatest strength is part of their greatest weakness, they are exactly the same thing. And then creativity decides how we choose to use that gift.

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Devilfish
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posted March 25, 2006 09:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

gem & mystic i hope you try it and it helps you as much as its helped me
"cooking shows"

i love the idea of the rose & will definately try it.

i think the glass would work too.if we are emotional receptors then the glass technique would help that reception to pass on instead of stopping at us.its like instead of mirroring we would be neutral,sheilding reception,passin thru.


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WaterNymph
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posted March 25, 2006 09:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Compassion - is in Pisces - almost a conjunction with my Sun
Aura - is squaring my Moon and sextile my Mercury
And Angel sextile my Sun.

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jkxx
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posted March 25, 2006 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, those are some exciting techiniques to try. And the explanations,too, especially Betelgeuse's.

I've tried the invisibility technique, works great for me (despite the 1st house sun, no one acknowledges my presence in most cases). You just have to dress in such a way that it encourages disinterest in others.

The analogy with the "connection" is very close to how things look from my end. I see the other person's energy, the "protocol" (ok too much dealing with computers shows through here) and whatever message they're trying to communicate. Then my firewall decides whether to let them through or drop them. Same thing if the protocol is something unfamiliar to me - it gets discarded as 'unknown'.

This all got me thinking - what do you guys feel when you're stuck in the middle of a large crowd, say at disneyland with some 10,000 people around you? How do you deal with it?

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Devilfish
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posted March 25, 2006 10:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BG

i think what you wrote is exactly how an empath communicates by having no barriers and feeling the flow of all emotions
the times sheilding is most needed for me, are in overwelming situations that confuse my emotions with others to the point of losing my own thoughts completely, and in times of stress/illness when my energy stores are low.

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BlueTopaz124
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posted March 25, 2006 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The rose is good to use in a situation where you don't have to put too much energy or thought into it - sometimes conversations can turn in a negative direction quickly (that person may have hidden agendas) and catch you off-guard - so it's always worked. I find that if you have to rely on some complicated method of blocking energy, what's the point? Besides, the rose is a symbol of beauty and keeps the energy positive and allows you to disconnect easily from the other person's energy.

Even Empaths aren't always able to be in the perfect loving situation and need an 'out' from time to time.

Yeah, the Body of Glass works too, but, I'm a person most people are aware of, can't 'disappear' easily, I also have a 1st House Sun, Asc and Jupiter...just a suggestion for whom it might work for

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Iqhunk
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posted March 27, 2006 04:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<I remember Merlin was one of them. IQ, help us out here!>>
Hi Mystical, all the asteroids that point to psychic power are in the "Clairvoyance and Clairaudience" String.

Pallas
Psyche
Merlin
Atlantis
Sekhmet
Isis
Osiris
Horus
Kaali
Siva
Giza
Sphinx

Possibly, SOMA and HEKATE as well.

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Planet_Soul
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posted March 27, 2006 03:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to try the Rose technique. I soemtiems fidn myself too involved w/o boundaries w a certain friend's problems. She is constantly getting herself into trouble and cries on my shoulder. I will get consumed with worry, and then she goes and gets into more trouble. It is like a cycle or something. When she is being reckless, she will brush off all caution. Then when the consequences come, she will start crying about it and get depressed. I have allowed myself to ride this rollercoaster with her, and it leaves me sad and angry. I will get mad at myself for caring too much and not having a boundary.

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scorpbaby
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posted March 28, 2006 12:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked up my asteroid aspects and all 3 of them make very close aspects to either my Sun or Moon. This is so interesting to me, because at the current moment in my life I feel as though empathetic powers are strengthening in me.

It can be a heavy burden, and today for me, was a prime example of how it can completely overwhelm a person! I had horrible nightmares lastnight that my roomate accused me of taking something of hers. When I woke in the morning the first thing she asked me was if I had seen her coat. She was in know way implying I stole it but I felt strangely guilty for having done nothing at all! After I read this thread, it came to me that I must have felt guilty because of her own thought projection toward me. I was so emotionally drained for the rest of the day.

And I don't know about anyone else, but having serious alone time is sometimes the only thing that makes me feel better about things.

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mysticaldream
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posted March 28, 2006 08:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the asteroid list, IQ!
I haven't had time to study them all in depth but I do have: moon conjunct Merlin; Sun square Isis and Atlantis, for starters!

Scorp, I think your dream was very interesting. I understand the needing alone time, too, after being hit with negativity. For instance, I was feeling very upbeat yesterday until a "friend" stopped by that I used to work with. I know she was actually sent by the boss, who wants me to come back, has left messages, etc. Well, the main reason I left is the drama and negativity are SO completely crazy and draining! Anyway, when she left I felt so depressed and unsure of myself, etc, etc. The difference is now I REALIZED those were not my emotions. I had been upbeat and positive all day. I had gone through orientation for a new job that I think I will like. I was able to release that negative energy and within the hour I was back to myself. In the past, I would not have realized it was the other person's energy. I need to work on shielding myself, so that the next time she stops by, I am prepared. I also dont want to be so easy to read!
Thanks for all the great input here!

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WaterNymph
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posted March 28, 2006 08:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iq
I only used conj and opp.

Psyche - opp Chiron
Atlantis - opp Neptune
Isis - conj Mars
Osiris - conj Sun
Giza - conj Saturn & Pluto
Sphinx -conj Moon

SOMA - opp Saturn & Pluto
HEKATE - conj Sun


Osiris & Hekate are conj
Giza & Soma are opp

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Iqhunk
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posted March 28, 2006 12:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi WN,

<<Psyche - opp Chiron>>
Difficult placement, femininity and feminine intuition at odds with a painful healing.
You may be forced into being more feminine by a painful incident.

<<Atlantis - opp Neptune>>
Spiritual Powers misused in a past life due to confusion about right and wrong.
MAke sure you choose the correct crystal in this life if you choose to wear them.

<<Isis - conj Mars>>
You may prefer men with a well developed feminine component meaning artistic/compassionate qualities, over the macho man types.

<<Osiris - conj Sun>>
Your divine masculine energy is part of your core personality. Reinforces the energy of the previous placement

<<Giza - conj Saturn & Pluto>>
Karmic placement that restricts initially but on perseverance opens a floodgate of divine wisdom.

<<Sphinx -conj Moon>>
Hidden secerts can be unveiled when you focus using your emotions. Your mother may also be very wise from the inside or possess some great knowledge.

<<SOMA - opp Saturn & Pluto>>
Enlightenment from secration of special brain chemicals during intense meditation will be challenging.

<<HEKATE - conj Sun>>
I am not sure of this but it could mean some magical powers flowing easily, like a MERLIN placement. You must ovecome the temptation to misuse them.

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Aen
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posted March 28, 2006 01:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQH

What made you think of Hekate this way?

Aen, who has just added yet another asteroid to *the 6deg club*.

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Iqhunk
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posted March 29, 2006 04:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi AEN,
Hekate has been associated with black magic in Shakespearan works. I believe any magic can be used for good or evil, so "Hekates" power must be used wisely.
I am not thorough on the full mythos of Hekate yet. Let us study further later on.

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WaterNymph
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posted March 29, 2006 05:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much iq

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sdg1844
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posted March 29, 2006 09:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

1st Scorp. I have the same aspect. Moon in Cancer and Neptune in Scorpio. I find that people talk to me and tell me their toubles alot. I have a very empathetic nature and sometimes it sucks.
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astro.com gave me this description regarding my moon sextile neptune.
Moon Sextile Neptune

Your rich and vivid imagination will serve you well if you manage to keep your imaginary world clearly separate from the world of your dreams. You can imagine yourself in situations that you have never been in and can feel what others feel. This is called empathy, and it is one of your strongest traits.

But your imagination also allows you to see and understand things that no one has ever seen. If you are at all artistic (which this aspect by itself does not indicate), you will have lots of creative ideas to work with. If you are an inventive person, you will be able to think up new worlds and even figure out how to create them.

You enjoy taking care of persons and even animals that need help. It is easy for people to appeal to your sympathy.

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Before you speak, ask yourself, is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve on the silence?
-Sai Baba

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SweetCappie
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posted March 31, 2006 05:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the shielding techniques! Now that I know how and when to do it, it has been quite effective.

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posted August 20, 2006 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wednesday     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A dream is an answer to a question we haven't yet learned how to ask.
-- Fox Mulder

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LuLu
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posted August 20, 2006 10:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am an empath. I have Neptune conjunct my Moon exactly in Sag. in the 11th house. It took a long time for me to be able to separate what I felt in a room from what people were actually feeling about me. It used to be very overwhelming when I was younger. I would crawl into my shell and become quiet. I've also always been very observant and noticed facial expressions, body movements, how others react to each other... I could always tell what was going on between others that no one else could see. It caused a lot of confusion because i used to feel that any anger or hurt in the room was about me. I learned as I got older what was about me and what wasn't. But it has always enabled me to feel out situations and act appropriately.

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Dulce Luna
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posted August 20, 2006 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's another thread like this in Universal Codes. Lulu, I feel like you just described me. I have a very strong Neptune in my chart with Moon trine Neptune instead of the conjunction.

I think I might try those shielding techniques. I would like to be able to interact more with people instead of retreating into my shell.

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