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thebigeliza
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posted March 24, 2006 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just had to post this because I have been studying astrology and human behavior for awhile now,and I have to say I do not agree with Pisces being considered the "most empathetic" the "most sensitive" the "most like a savior" and also "being self-less,or without ego." From my studies(I know many people that I do charts for in my town)I have seen that in my cases Pisces people have a very big ego,and only one of the 15 pisces people I have done charts for,only one was very sensitve and emotional,very empathetic.I find most all of them to be liars,superficial,and quite young,compared to everything saying they are wise.
Now I am not putting down Pisces completely,I just think to make them sound like they are the only ones that are empathetic and the only ones with potential for being a savior,is completely untrue.From what I have seen in people so far,I would say everything that is described about Pisces people,is more of what I find in Libra fellows.Every Libra I have ever done a chart for or met,is more sensitive,empathetic,self-less,spiritual,deep,true,and very wise.I believe 100% that Libra and Pisces are a little mixed up.Every Pisces I have met has been more judgemental and prejudice,where as every Libra I have met sounds more like how Pisces is written,unbiased,unjudgemental.Every Pisces I have met was very crazy religiously,telling me I wont go to heaven because Im not like them,Every Libra I have met was cool with everyone being their own person,their own religion is fine,because they believe we will all be forgiven and reach heaven.

Last night I got into a car accident with a friend because a cat ran in front of the car,we swerved and missed the cat but did a 360 into the front embankment of someones house.We(my cancer friend and I) called our friend Colin(Pisces) and told him what happened because we were on our way to his house.Hes like "oh jeez,well at least no ones hurt." Then we hung up to pick a new tire on because we popped a tire.Not even five minutes later,another friend calls(a gemini) and says "Hey do you guys know Colin is calling everyone making fun of you guys and laughing because you got in a car accident?He is such a jerk,are you guys alright?"I was so ****** .I just got out of work last night,got in a car accident,and he thinks it is funny?I dont understand people.I dont understand why Pisces is called the most sensitive.I have yet to meet one that is how they are descibed and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this with people.Also have any of you noticed what I am talking about Libra being more sensitive,empathetic,spiritual and everything they describe about Pisces,is really about Libra.Well I hope nobody gets upset at anything I wrote,It wasnt intended to get people flustered,it was intended to shed some light onto a subject I have been holding close to heart,something I believe is true about Libras and Pisces.Any questions,comments and stories of similar backround will be very appreciated and may help me to learn just exactly what is going on here.PeaceLove&Light to you Eliza

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Mama Mia
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posted March 24, 2006 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well lets not use your bad experience with Pisces to turn this forum into a Pisces bash thing. I am Pisces and I take what you said to heart not totally personal,but still I am Pisces. Again just bc we are known to be most empthetic and spiritual and so forth like any other sign there are ones that go against the positive aspects side of things we see. The same as Libra's and any of the other 11..

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jkxx
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posted March 24, 2006 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eliza,

are you sure your Pisces friends didn't have a good bunch of, say, aries influences in their charts? My (few) Pisces friends have all been good people, unsure of things sometimes but never with a deliberate intention to hurt anyone. Except...

An ex-friend of mine, a 12th house Pisces sun with sun and venus in mars in the 1st did what you described with making fun of me for my being "unusual". Recently I caught him talking to my other friends and asking wasn't I dead already. But he's the only Pisces to have done that. There are a lot of other people who have but they've all been different signs.

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wilsontc
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posted March 24, 2006 11:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
eliza,

As jkxx reminds us, although it is tempting to generalize and do Sun-sign analysis only on people (i.e., a person being "Pisces" or "Libra"), the Sun is only 1/10th of their planetary energy. We have to take the ENTIRE chart into account in order to understand people.

Also, we tend to attract to us certain types of people in our life and so tend to be limited to seeing life as being "filled" with the type of people we attract. For example, if we tend to attract "action energy", upon closer analysis of any of our "Pisces" friends, we may find a STRONG emphasis on Aries/Mars/1rst house in these people's charts. If we didn't look at the ENTIRE chart, we would not have understood how these people fit the pattern of "action energy" people we attract.

However, if you are interested in the different approaches of the two different energies Pisces and Libra, this creates the possibility for some real astrological testing! Find people with a LOT of energy focused in the 12th house, or have most of their sign energy in Pisces, or who have STRONG Neptune connections in their chart (i.e., "Pisces" people); and compare these to people with a LOT of energy focused in the 7th house, or have most of their sign energy in Libra, or who have STRONG Venus connections in their chart (i.e., "Libra" people). See what you can come to understand about these people...how they approach life, their view on "reality", etc. Then let us know the results! We could probably all learn a LOT from your experiment.

Suggesting a holistic astrological approach,

Tim

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Touchstone
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posted March 24, 2006 01:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend I used to hang out with at school was a Pisces and she just had to have everything her own way. She belittled and teased me all the time and got my other friends to join her in this teasing game which actually got quite vicious and out of hand with the effect of making me throw up before school every morning because I dreaded what she'd do next.

Result = I cut all ties and never associated with her again after leaving school. My other friends thought I was being touchy but in my opinion she did nothing for my self-esteem so I wasn't going to suffer her any longer.

I have no idea what her ascendant is but she had Sun in Pisces, Moon and Mercury in Aries, Venus and Mars in Taurus.

I am sure there are millions of good Pisceans out there. I just haven't been blessed with a good friendship with one

Touch

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Swerve
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posted March 24, 2006 02:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a few of these types of Fish. Or guppies as I call them. They usually lean on the natural abilities they possess and use them without any consideration for others. They are usually not the wisest of people either, seeking knowledge through their own experience which is so self-centred its untrue. In fact, I think there are more guppies than there there are the stronger kind of Pisces.

This makes sense astrologically as it is without doubt the hardest of the karmic lessons, but that should never serve as an excuse for our failing brethren.

What the Pisces in this forum should remember is that they are already here in this forum which in itself shows a more evolved spirit, one of wisdom and looking for enlightenment and indeed to understand others.

When you are aiming for God-liness as a Pisces ought to do, the fear of your own reflection can freeze or scare the life out of you. Then it is easy to dive down into your fragile sensibilities and "use" others to achieve a sense of importance that becomes diffused when attempting to merge with the universe.

Also, this Libran thing you mention has some resonance to me, but I don't think Librans are empathetic. Rather they are cool and detached but appreciative and other-focused. NOT the same thing. To be empathetic requires passion and blood and guts as well as just being "nice and understanding" - ask any Scorpio. Librans reflect the surface level of others, the front or facade and are socially adept based on this. Pisces and other Water Signs know the tumultuous chaos underneath this in others and deal on this level. Not the same, and far easier to "appear to be Piscean" in these circumstances.

I am not offended by your words, I always think that if someone feels this way then there is a reason, whether they know what this is or not. Therefore, any questions are valid.

Swerve

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LILYGIRL
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posted March 24, 2006 03:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I grew up with a Pisces father (with whom I am quite close) and a Libra brother (with whom I am on cordial but not very intimate terms). I have been in love with a Pisces, though never a Libra. I find them to be radically different species.

For one thing all the Libras I have known seem more detached and infinitely more dissatisfied (all that balancing makes them a bit nutz sometime)than any Pisces I know. I should say I have only known Pisces and Libra men, no women for some very odd reason. Libra men also can be tittering little gossips. Pisces seems to know lots of juicy gossip but I simply have not known any pointedly ascerbic mean Pisces.

My take on Pisces' weaknesses--their many lovely aspects aside is twofold. Patently (sometimes for good cause, other times for none) they assume they know what others are thinking. This can be quite wrongheaded, lazy and even inaccurate.

Unfortunately, no matter how allegedly dreamy or sensitive one human being is--it is virtually impossible to really know what another very complex human being is thinking without work--verbal communication. Thinking one is complex and yet another human being as so simple as to be "read easily" is at best problematic. I would say it is actually arrogant and unwise to take such an approach. Pisces may use their "gifts" as a reason or excuse for not probing, for not engaging others verbally. As a verbal person, I find this can be offputting and unappealing. Engage me with a modicum of verve and energy.

I think Pisces may sometimes appear egotistical because they also spend a great deal of time brooding about themselves, their lives, their place on the planet, their hurt and suffering and that no one gets them. This can be very very taxing if such periods are long and you love them.

The flipside of course in my experience, is that I can unequivocally say that the Pisces in my life are extraordinarily careful with my feelings. I believe that because they can be quite sensitive they take delicate care with my feelings. I appreicate this in unspeakable ways since most people I know are indeed nothing like that.

I am fallible so I take the good with the bad.

PS-- I hate to see people act as though a Pisces with Aries is a bit of an assh---. Aries can give a truly lovely Pisces some much needed fire, optimism and drive OR make them really egomanical. It just depends...

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mysticaldream
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posted March 24, 2006 03:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa, this thread is getting a little unbalanced. I don't think you can judge ANYONE by their sun sign alone. If I read that a serial killer was a Leo, I wouldn't think, "There ya go: I knew it; Leos are psychopaths". What kind of logic do we have going on here, other than a chance to vent about someone you have issue with?
By the way, I have a Libra Sun and I started the thread about Empaths, gee....... I also happen to have a Scorpio Ascendant and some strong Neptune, so guess what, I am not "cold" or "detached". I think everyone here comes in here to learn and sweeping generalizations don't help anything. It reminds me of the SAME thinking people use when they are racist. If they have a couple of "bad" experiences with a certain race, they make the whole race the scapegoat. I would hope we are a little more "progressive".

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amisha121877
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posted March 24, 2006 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think it depends on where pisces is in a chart and the aspects it makes compared to it's home - 12th house and scorpio placements to determine what sparks that piscean sensitive, emotional, empathic quality and how/where anyone displays that piscean sensitive, emotional, empathic quality. i was just telling somebody the other day that i think that everyone has each and every sign in them.

i think pisces affects are undercover as opposed to libra who integrates.

very funny thing about egos though when it's shared and when it's kept hidden.

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Yang
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posted March 24, 2006 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that one shouldn't base a person purely on their sun sign alone, but this Piscean person sounds like an unevolved person. But just think that "What goes around comes around."

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MoonDuchess88
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posted March 24, 2006 04:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey girlfriend I hear you...you'd think that because I'm in the same element as them I would have better luck with them. No way Jose. The only two I get along with is my sister and my friend Talia. I've met alot that I wouldn't trust my money with. But then again, like a broken record I must stress that we all have charts and we are all individuals.

Anyways, that was really mean what your "friend" did and I think you should confront him about it. Hell, I would...and some.

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Lauren
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posted March 24, 2006 04:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces and Libra are basically the only signs I've dated/been attracted to and a lot of my close friends are Pisces.

Pisces girls are amazing to me. They are usually very empathetic. They're like my luck charm. My best friend is a Pisces.
I also know at least two Pisces guys who would never, under any circumstances hurt someone on purpose. They're very spaced out and get high quite a bit, but they're very nice guys. I love talking to them.

Now don't get me wrong, I *have* met the other type of Piscean, and it hurt a lot. No one has ever hurt me as much as this guy. In fact nothing has ever hurt me as much as this guy. If I fell off a cliff, broke my leg, my arm and was attacked by killer bees, it'd prolly hurt less.. But he had issues by the bucket load.. and his main problem (one that really describes him) was a Mars/Pluto opposition at 0’ deg, in his chart. Egotistical, insecure, controlling, sadistic.. I could go on and on, but at the end of the day, I have a lot of understanding for his actions. We have quite a few conjunctions. After the anger, the hurt and everything died down.. I guess I just felt sorry for him. A little part of him was really special, and it was a shame to watch that slowly going down the drain, until there wasn’t much left.

Overall, when I look at the people I’ve known, 99% of the Pisces girls (all but one) were not egotistical, they were the opposite. They genuinely do care a lot about every little problem every person/animal or ant has. However, I guess people have to understand, by doing this they get to a point of exhaustion. Often times, Pisces will protect themselves from the outer world in different ways, because they’ve been there time and time again and they’ve been hurt time and time again, and they know they can easily get hurt again.

The Pisces guys I’ve know – maybe this is a male thing- definitely try to hide their “soft touch” under a macho veneer. Neptune isn’t anything if it’s not an actor, so they DO pull this off quite well. Even so, the closer you get the more you see, it’s just that *a veneer*. The minute someone’s in trouble, there’s your Pisces “bad ass”, first to help out, so I’m convinced that it’s an act through and through.

At the end of the day, there’s positive and negative people everywhere, and there is something positive and negative in all of us. I don’t think you can classify any one group as *nasty* and get it right. Likewise, I agree that you can’t classify any one group as *saintly* either. There are so many other things in a person’s chart that can contribute to certain behaviours. Besides, we have free will so the *way* we handle what we are dealt differs greatly from person to person. For instance, I’m sure there are men with Mars/Pluto oppositions out there, who chose to keep that controlled and used it for positive action, rather than manipulation, control etc. We all make our choices, daily.

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LILYGIRL
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posted March 24, 2006 05:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The minute someone’s in trouble, there’s your Pisces “bad ass”, first to help out, so I’m convinced that it’s an act through and through. "

So true. And I find that very very sexy.....LOL

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Lauren
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posted March 24, 2006 05:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
:edit: lol, so do I Lilly

About Libra, my bf is a Libra.. I think the *empathy* you see in Libra comes from their concept of fairness and doing the right thing for it’s own sake. They’re not empathetic in a watery way but they definitely listen when you have a problem. They make great psychologists IMO, because they don’t get emotionally involved and affected so they can offer very clear, thought-out advice, purely objective.. and probably the best advice you’ll get. Also, there's a lack of judgemental thought in Libra which I have a lot of respect for. I think strong water/fire placements would make you more inclined to see things from a personal/emotional perspective and in that way you end up judging. Libra truly doesn’t judge anyone based on outer superficial things.

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jkxx
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posted March 24, 2006 05:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We just have to remember that astrology never tells you whether a person is "good" or "bad" since those are entirely subjective terms

PS. Sorry everyone for bringing up the mars in aries placement. It was a really bad call.

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Mama Mia
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posted March 24, 2006 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology is dandy and all and there is some great truths to this and those of us who have studied astology know just like me. BUT when I do my heavy thinking on a person I take away astrology I go to their family situation their up bringing their relationship with their parents ppl they hang around period. That tells me more then anything their sign can...

Thats the social worker in me!!!!

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Love
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posted March 24, 2006 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well there are a lot of things that must be taken into account: the way the person was brought up, the other aspects in their chart, YOUR energy and how that attracts and/or repels people, age, experience, maybe even destiny.

For example, I have only ever found ONE Pisces woman who likes me. I am a Cancer, so that would seem odd given the fact that Cancers and Pisces are supposedly so similar. Pisces women generally do not like me, however that may be because the ones I have met were younger, more competitive, had certain aspects that clashed with my aspects, or perhaps the kind of people I attract and repel has something to do with my energy or destiny. Astrology is a tool and even though it is filled with so much truth, the way that we peceive, interpret and utilize that truth will be based upon all the same things listed above,which is what creates our personal bias. So maybe try to figure out how your perceptions, or energy or past experiences might be shaping your interactions with Pisces and Libra people.

Also, I have found that the patterns of who we associate with over time can change. I am now meeting alot of Leos and Aquarians whereas for a time it was all Scorpios and before that Cancers, etc.

Just some thoughts...


Love



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thebigeliza
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posted March 25, 2006 11:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you everyone for being so understanding and writing back with different ways of looking at it.I am a Libra with a huge scorpio stellium(moon,mercury,saturn,pluto,MC,South node,Sun,Venus&Mars 8th house) and I am very empathetic and all I do is try to bring positivity and enlightenment to the people around me.My whole chart consists of caring and nurturing every human being I come in contact with.I am so empathetic I cannot help feel others pain as they walk by,I cannot help but cry and take action when an animal is being abused by their owner.I feel cursed,for I cannot fully connect with myself because my soul instead reaches out to heal others pain replacing their pain with my peace,and I recieve their pain.I am a very different Libra,not at all detatched,cool,indifferent,but very attached,perhaps too attached,sensitive,deep,and empathetic.I am too attached to every living thing I come in contact with,it is something beyond my control.When someone walks by,my soul reaches out to them,I can feel it,and even though I would rather stay inside myself,I feel my soul jumping towards them.I feel it could be a curse,because in this life,I will probably never feel myself as deeply as I feel others.I find it very hard to find friends that will accept me for who I am,because I am a 20 year old young woman who doesnt want to go out and drink and get trashed like everyone else.I do not drink soda,let alone alcohol.I am a painter,I play guitar,sing and dance,sit with the trees,meditate,I drink fresh water and breathe the wind deeply into my lungs with an intense love for life.There is no one where I live that feels the same as I do,or wants to do those things,everyone my age just wants to party and destroy their connection to the heavens.I can see it in all of these kids,and there is nothing I can do about it,except walk away,meditate peace for them,and continue my search for people that will accept me and understand me.I think the place that I have been incarnated to is very different than other places,astrologically,everyone here is unevolved and do not display the positive qualities of the signs as descibed.Like alot of Aries around here is cruel,steals my food,makes fun of my face,many Taurus around here calls me flat chested and ugly,ectera.I have yet to meet a Pisces that would help anyone out,nevermind me.I feel I must have some major Karma to work out here,I feel I have chosen to take on all of my bad karma in this life,and that may be why I am surrounded by such cruel,cold,insensitive,selfish people.So I am sorry if I hurt anyone by anything I said,I think I am starting to realize that the people here in bristol are not like others,this is a very different place,poverty stricken,drug addict infested town where there seems to be no light,people here seem to knowingly drain everyone around them in order to gain strength or whatever they need at that moment.

I have had a calling to leave this place since 2000,something telling me to go West,to northern california,Oregon,or Washington.I know once I leave here,my real spiritual journey will begin,perhaps,when I will learn to let go of all of this,heal myself,and then learn to start healing others.There is very much in my chart pointing towards healing and nurturing others,and a fellow Knowflake has sent me some books on meditation and visualization techniques to help me to balance myself,and learn how to control my spiritual strengths.I am so grateful to him,it has helped me to start eliminating these negative relationships out of my life,and bring in positive ones.
My Pisces friend I was talking about,is very earthy,and yes,most all of the pisces I know either have an over abundance of earth or fire in their charts.This may be why I am seeing them as being more self-centered and not at all empathetic.I talked with my pisces friend last night (Pisces/Taurus) and he just didnt care we got in accident all he was concerned with was getting some alcohol,and because we were late,he missed the package store.Like,what!!! We could have died the other night and all he cares about is booze.So even though I was raised with this kid ( have known him for 16 years!),I am going to have to stop hanging out with him because he makes me want to not be alive,when I care about him more than most anything,and he just doesnt see me.I feel like every friend I have just wants something from me like money,or food, not love and friendship and communication.I really want to meet some new people.

Well,I wrote way too much here so I better go get ready for work.Thank you again,everybody,for being so understanding and compassionate and patient with me.I do not like generalizing anyone or anything,and I have gotten upset on here about people picking on one sign.But I think I had to just get it out,and now from listening to different points of view,I see that everyone is different,and yes,also form a social worker point of view,everyone goes through life obstacles that change and mould them into who they are.Also I think the people I am dealing with here are not very enlightened and dont have intention in doing so,that also makes one very different,than what they could be.
So in conclusion,Pisces people,and others,thank you for your compassion,it has opened my mind once again to the Truths of our Universe.I believe if I eliminate the bad relationships with these signs,perhaps in doing so,I will let new,more enlightened soul signs come through my life tunnel.Thank you again,and any comments and advice is surely welcomed
PeaceLove&Light to us all
Eliza Libra/Scorpio/Aquarius
p.s.really wanted to thank touchstone,for including a story very similar to one of mine,Swerve,I was hoping you would write,and everything you said makes perfect sense..I feel that you are a very wise fish,and yes these are the pisces people I am dealing with,and Love,thank you also,and your story is the same as mine.I have yet to meet a Pisces woman that liked me though.I have many friends that have pisces girlfriends,and no matter what I do to try to hang out(bring paints and canvas,go for a nature walk)they just dont want to conversate with me or do anything,and then finally Im like okay Ill paint then and maybe they will want to,but she storms off.I dont understand,I feel it is because I am trying to enlighten these people,and she doesnt want that,she wants her boyfriend to sit there and not move.He wants to do something with his life...ahhh thats a different story ,couples holding each other back.Anyways,thank you again,because I felt you guys didnt put down Libras just because I pointed some things out about Pisces.You helped me to see this in a positive way.Thank you.

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