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Beowulf
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posted April 01, 2006 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi people,

I've been studying the 7th house this week and amongst other things I've learnt that the 7th house deals with Open Enemies.

I understand the meaning of 'Open'. Meaning that one can see it, it's 'in your face', in a sense 'a reality', very present, undisguised, public. As opposed to secret, or hidden. Which the 12th house signifies. But I'm confused by the term 'Enemies'.

In the context of the 7th House, what would this mean?

The 7th house tells us about Partnerships, Relationships and other One to One associations.

Intimacy also seems to raise it's head in this house. However, I can't seem to understand what TYPE/KIND of Intimacy this referes too. As the 5th House and 8th House also have Intimacy related issues.

The OED defines an Enemy as "1. a person or group actively opposing or hostile to another, or to a cause. 4. a thing that harms or injures."

Other synonyms for 'Enemy' are: Opponent, Adversary, Foe, Rival, Challenger, Antagonist, Contender, Competitor.

Antonym's to 'Enemy' would include: ally, friend, supporter, pal, buddy, chum, mate, companion, acquaintance, comrade, helper, partner, assistant, collaborator.

I'm beginning to think that the word/idea 'Hostile' is key here. Meaning, that if someone was to 'Harm' you, or 'injure' you in some way, then these would be considered ENEMIES.

But can't a FRIEND openly oppose you? If you love someone can't they openly confront issues which they see as wrong or misguided? When do you KNOW if someone is trying to HARM you with malicious intent?

Moreover, where can they 'do harm'? Materially, Physically, Emotionally, or Spiritually. Or do we look where the Ruler of the 7th House lies to understand 'where', or 'in which area' of life we need to look for the harm to be done.

Anyone with any ideas, insight, to further my study.

Thanks

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jkxx
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posted April 01, 2006 03:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't it be enemies as in people locked into a hostile relationship with you? (As opposed to a friendly relationship). This reminds me of an interpretation of sun-venus aspects where it talked about how the aspect causes the people to relate either as friends or enemies. Don't understand it very well either, but looks like both are equally possible?

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Beowulf
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posted April 01, 2006 04:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jkxx...

Yeah I guess this would be the case. But I'm just having a problem understanding the difference between Friend and Foe within the context of the 7th House.

I know that if you are 'married' the relationship could turn into a warzone, from which it would be, at least, traditionally, difficult to escape. So within that context i do understand a partner who is meant to be a friend but who acts like an enemy. You are 'locked' into a intimate relationship and it's one 'legally' you can't escape.

But what about 'Just Friends' then? People that you know or work with who you get along with either socially, or within the working environment. Would we look to the 11th house of Friendships and the 6th House of Work for that?

Hum, facinating stuff.

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lalalinda
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posted April 01, 2006 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
open enemies are like policemen
if you break the law they will go after you and you know it. No secrets here.

*edit* or your Commanding Officer, someone in authority

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lioneye68
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posted April 01, 2006 05:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always think of the 7th house relationships in terms of their relationship to the ascendant, or YOU. The 7th house sits directly across from the 1st, so these relationships are like a person sitting directly across the table from you. You may not always like them and vise versa, but you can't ignore them. You always know where you stand with these enemies. This is very different from the 12th house enemy, in relationsip to the ascendant. 12th house enemies are "behind your back", or behind the ascendant, so you can't even see them. They can go completely undetected for a long period of time. Maybe even forever.

Also, love relationships and the houses...

5th house is the romanctic-love house, the fun and play house, discovering the beauty of each other....7th house. This house deals with the partnership aspects of a relationship. Legal contracts (marriage), mutual interest, the mutual terms of the relationship, cooperation... 8th house is the meat and potatoes of a marriage, really. Joint finances, deeper intimacy, unvieling what lies under the surface of each other, bonding at a soul level. If you can't reach the guts and glory of this house in a relationship, the 7th house stuff falls away eventually. Then, you're back to confront those same 7th house issues, but for the purpose of undoing what was acheived here. More legal stuff..Divorce, alimony, joint custody, again requiring mutual cooperation. This is the not-so-nice visiting of the 7th house in a relationship. You won't likely be revisiting the 5th house as a couple, though. This part doesn't get "un-done". You get to keep that, esoterically speaking. But, it can't help you with the 7th & 8th houses. Some relationships never leave the 5th house. Some people don't know how to move beyond it.

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Beowulf
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posted April 01, 2006 06:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Lalalinda...

Hum... thinking through your observation. I don't consider the Police to be an Enemy (this is my personal view). Although, it is a 'legal' authority within society, and Law, a 7th House issue, is indicated here too.

My understanding is: Society needs to be 'policed' in order to maintain peace and stability. Peace and stability bring prosperity and confidence. Just think of the Stock Market! If the market is stable (Peace) this encourages growth and we (if you deal in the stock market) all get richer. When there is instability, or uncertainty (War) then the markets fluctuate in the extreme nagative or positive. For example, when there is war, oil prices shoot up!! Because there is a lack of confidence that oil supplies will not be able to meet demand. Or when there is a lack of confidence in a company, their share price may fall!! However, war is also very profitable for certain sectors of society, especially Arms Manufacturers. So this needs alot of thought to understand it properly.

If the Police were an Enemy then they would, with intent, go out of their way to harm the public (and, yes, this has occured but I don't think most people join the police force to harm society). The whole purpose of the Police is to Protect and Serve; high Scorpio and Virgo characteristics.

Don't think I'm being overly idealistic or naive here. I do know that the Police force is made up of human beings and that there is corruption within its ranks. But the whole 'idea', logic behind the Police is to protect society from itself. Human beings are self destructive.

Therefore, if you break the Law the Police will try and apprehend you. With the intent of 'bringing you to justice'. So I guess this is a 7th House issue too. But you still are able to 'flee' or escape from the Law/Police! Unless you are already apprehended. But even then offenders have escaped from prison!

There doesn't seem to be a 'contract' unless you consider 'The Law' to be the contract which we all subconsciously, and by social conditioning, 'agree' to and abid by.

So 'Marriage' is a contract of intimacy. It's a formal contract! But is the 7th House just about that, or is there more?

Hum... a very good observation

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wilsontc
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posted April 02, 2006 12:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beowulf,

The 7th house is about ALL relationships, from the most casual to the most intimate. In some cases this "intimacy" can also be violent. Like the case of the bully on the school playground who beats up others. This is a case of a relationship which has a very "open enemy" ...the bully. Of course, the bully could consider everyone else around them their "open enemy" as well! The point is that the 7th house is about much MORE than just marriage. It is about our first contact with another person...and the immediate results of that contact, whether it results in someone we like or someone we dislike.

Openly,

Tim

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lalalinda
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posted April 02, 2006 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
business partnerships also fall here
an open enemy could be a hostile takeover

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Scorpio3x
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posted April 02, 2006 10:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Open enemies could mean this: an Aquarian female who is married and who currently has saturn in her 7th house. Her husband is having an affair. The other woman is an "open enemy".

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted April 02, 2006 10:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi tim i have a question for you, its kind of primitive tho So does that mean that someones sun falling in ur seventh house is a good thing or a bad thing? and esp if its conj venus?

I know that most of my enemies have been Libra people (not ENEMIES) but people who have turned out to dupe me in some way or another, try and cheat or get away with fraud on me etc. But that would represent my ascendant, not my descendant (and seventh house, ruled by Aries). Does this say something about my relationship with Aries people as well or just the way in which the open enmities will manifest themselves (Arian energy?)

Love
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wilsontc
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posted April 03, 2006 01:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SG,

You asked:

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tim i have a question for you...does that mean that someones sun falling in ur seventh house is a good thing or a bad thing? and esp if its conj venus? I know that most of my enemies have been Libra people...people who have turned out to dupe me in some way or another, try and cheat or get away with fraud on me etc...descendant...ruled by Aries). Does this say something about...the way in which the open enmities will manifest themselves (Arian energy?)...

I don't think someone's Sun (self-expression) and Venus (relationships) focused in your 7th house (relationships) is good OR bad. Instead, it simply indicates that you strongly feel their self-expression and relationship energy as a relationship of some kind. WHAT kind of relationship is up to you!

With Aries (being, also action, anger) modifying Descendant (others), you tend to attract others to you who are active, maybe even angry in some way. These may be in relationships or may be "open enemies" of some sort.

Your description of Libran energy people (i.e., "people who have turned out to dupe me in some way or another, try and cheat or get away with fraud on me") seems to be more about "hidden enemies"...which is indicated by the 12th house. Remember that some portion of Libran energy will fall into your 12th house, where you can't "see" it. Although I think the 12th house is primarily about "spirituality", there are people who use this spiritual focus as a way to deceive and confuse others.

Opinionating,

Tim

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posted April 03, 2006 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings...

7th House = Open Enemies. It directly OPPOSES the First House which is YOU.

These are the people that oppose you to your face, not behind your back, which would be a 12th House issue. ( i.e. Hidden Enemies)

The 7th House is PARTNERSHIPS in general, and marriage partners in particular. But it will in a general way show ALL the partnerships you make, where it is simply you and one other person. (ME and YOU: 1st and 7th)

You and a GROUP, would now constitute an 11th house relationship if you mean FRIENDS. If you mean co-workers than that would be a 6th House relationship.

7th house is NOT Friends. That would be the 11th House. In a nativity!

Now.. note how many marriage partners do become open enemies when the marriage is over! Do we carefully consider the partnership before we get involved? Are we doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason? I think there is quite a bit of food for thought here.

The key point though, is that 7th house would be a legal marriage, or a documented partnership. It implies a legal tie, as opposed to a romantic liason, which would be more appropriately placed in the 5th house.

Hope that helps somewhat.

Blessings...

The opinionated Astrologer

A

P.S. Never fall prey to the absurdity that the HOUSES and the SIGNS and the Planets all represent the SAME THING. This horror of modern Astrology is an oversimplification that has muddied the waters of our beloved Science. ARIES IS ARIES... The First House is the 1st House and Mars is Mars. Though they may connote some similar ideas or show an affinity, each is a separate entity.

For example, one writer on Medical Astrology would have you believe that Jupiter is the Liver. He then goes on to tell us that Sagittarius is the Liver. And in another sentence states that the 9th House also shows the Liver.

Now, if this were in fact true, we would all have 3 Livers! I am a nurse, and I can assure you, I have yet to meet a person that has 3 Livers. Would that they could, the alcoholics would fare much better!!

If everything can mean everything, then nothing means anything!

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sweet_face
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posted April 03, 2006 07:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,

Since I have Cancer on the descedant would this indicate The casual,intimate,or business partners i encounter are described as moody,sensitive,caring.Planets in this house would also affect this.How do you think Mars in Cancer would affect my 7th house?Thats a Double Cancer.

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Theodora
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posted April 03, 2006 11:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend with Chiron in her 7th. I don't know about "open."

She just learned her husband is a con artist, who goes wife to wife tricking them into taking on his debt.

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wilsontc
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posted April 04, 2006 01:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sweet,

I think Cancer (home, also emotions) modifying Descendant (others) indicates that those around you (including business partners) may be "emotional" or strongly attached to their home in some way. Cancer modifying Mars (being, also action, anger) is Mars in the sign of its fall (challenging energy). Also Mars in the 7th house is Mars in the house of its detriment. If you have Mars in Cancer in the 7th house, this could indicate that either you (if you own your energy) or others around you (if you project your energy) have issues of emotional "over-reaction" in partnership issues.

A way to handle this issue is to work at being VERY calm when handling partnership issues and to take actions only after you have had some "cooling off" time, so you don't over-react out of anger to something someone has done (or SEEMS to have done) to you.

Relating,

Tim

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Nihilive
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posted April 04, 2006 12:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a very prominent "open" enemy in my life. If you're interested in knowing more about it, please see my post here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/002011.html

If you'd like to discuss is further just let me know. I absolutely know what is meant by "open enemy."

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