posted April 15, 2006 12:47 AM              

Also some of us felt she was being very unfair to the "Leo woman." Anyone who posts on these threads should expect feedback because they are open threads. Anyone who posts should not expect just positive feedback all the time. People have differing opinions.

You don't have to reply to this if you don't want to, Shop22much, but even though I am not an expert by any means on astrology, I do not think you can "judge" others by their sun sign alone. It's my opinon, and my understanding, that anyone who does that is misunderstanding and misusing astrology. You would have to know a person's whole chart because there are so many other aspects that come into play. Not to mention people's "baggage" from life experiences, psychologically speaking.

posted April 15, 2006 01:04 AM            

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There was a woman there I had never met before.....long foxy coloured hair....playing guitar, very enthusiastically...

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Anyway she started to sing...oh wow....beautiful voice, a cross between Joni Mithchell and an Irish singer here who I cant remember the name of.

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I normally sing, but hung back and just carried on playing my fiddle...I was so enjoying listening to her and watching her "perform".

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At the end of the evening I went up to her and congratulated her on such a wonderful talent. I then leaned over and said "I hope you dont mind me asking, but are you a "Leo"......and in a very strong, almost indignant voice she replied "WELL OF COURSE I AM"

I see more positive complements for the Leo, then not.

Thats just how I see it!!!

posted April 15, 2006 07:12 AM              

Sue G:I think it's not that people are victimising or bitching about you.

I was kind of surprised that
" Gotta Love them Leos ....." coming from a Scorp and there was more curiosity on what is really IRISH Culture.Maybe it's draining on your part and silly that some of us don't get it as we are from different culture.

I also had questions on what happened and why they were making noise.You explained that there were some who were drunk and what is considered respect and disrespect.

I am a Scorp and I kind of understand Leo and Scorp thing. We are always in awe of Leo and it goes vice versa. Sue G had same feeling I guess but when it comes to attention. Scorps get attention whether they seek it or not.

Firstly I think Leo had to sing loudly and because she was singing with band and trying to get attention. Probably she got it and handled crowd pretty well but scorpios subtleness goes sometime long way.

quote:

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Ok...but why did everyone go polite and silent for your singing but not hers?
I mean...later in the evening the rude drunks would have been even more rowdy.

Yet it was "silent" for your solo but not her performance.

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I see that more louder you become people get more noisy and when you are calmer everyone else is calmer. Just imagine when there was so much noise (I don't mean Lioness was singing bad) created by band ,drunk and Lioness. It becomes obvious when you started singing alone everyone looked at you sans music.

Lioness do get competitive and she might have felt bad about it. There is a competitive side to Fire signs.

Sue G don't be sensitive and well as usual I enjoy your posts.Sometime people are more interested in the facts than feelings. I was also.

It happens with my brother all the time. When I am talking about my feelings and he would come up with "so what ?" and I have to tell him this is what I felt and he would be more interested with end results and not what I felt.

Mirandee: As earlier some posters said and Sue G mentioned very good things about Lioness.It would be wrong to say Sue G was insulting them but I would say she was sensitive about the story and what were her observations. No wonder Scorps are so secretive and wouldn't talk about themselves.

Posters post here because they don't want to be JUDGED or they post here because they know people would UNDERSTAND.Little non-judgmental attitude and to understand feelings would have gone better.

posted April 15, 2006 07:17 AM              

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"I noticed every time the level of noise increased, she would bash the guitar even more and sing louder....hahaha !!!"
First..why the hahaha?

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I guess hahaha was there because she could see Leo trait ....of seeking attention.

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"Towards the end of the evening my music teacher called for a song from me....I declined and said "oohhh I couldnt follow that"....but he and a couple of other guys kept on so I did....very nervously....no instruments, just naked singing...
room silent...oh god."
SILENT...giving you respect!

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I would say that was respect to Sue and which turned off Lioness as she took it as disprespect but I think this isn't Sue's mistake. The crowd just turned out silent.

On Second thought, She is a Scorpio she deseves it....lol

posted April 15, 2006 08:11 AM              

there is nothing bad about feeling sensitive but there is badness in being this way of being unkind
that why i decide to go away

this remindds me of my unkind mother,she is a scorpion i dont be want to be with these peoples now

posted April 15, 2006 02:56 PM            

She was only trying to tell here story and you guys ripped it all apart, with your way of thinking, like she was on some kind of crusade to bring Leo's down. Come on guys, You got to admitt that you jumped the gun here!!! Unless you didn't understand the way Sue g thinks and feels about her stories and posts, by now.

You Faye of all people would know how Sue g would take it. I know how you feel when others rip apart and disect your feelings or posts.

Well and Mirandee, I didn't even think you know how Sue g may have taken your thoughts on such matters??? You just jumped the gun with your negative assumptions, assuming that this was how she was delivering her story.

posted April 15, 2006 03:27 PM              

(from Universal Codes--psychic devolpment/meditation thread)

mr.bungle:

Uhmmmm....
Isnt this thread supposed to be about Psychic developmnet

so what went wrong

meditation teqniques anyone?

or does anyone else experience group meditations and stuff

fayte.m:

Segues Happen.
Will start another thread so this thread can return to topic.

Mirandee:

Hmmmmm, being new at LL, Mr. Bungle, I wonder why it would even bother you.
It's called spiraling, Mr. Bungle, and though it may appear to be "off topic" to you, the thoughts that Fayte and I shared in our conversation here came from our years of "physic development" and mediation on our life experiences. Which is where we all come to meet and know the Great Other... in our day to day life experiences.

Tell me, what do you mediate on if not your life and the direction it is headed? How do you determine the direction you are heading in the future if not by mediating on your life experiences and what in yourself needs to be worked on?

The changes in Fayte's life and mine, the things she and I overcame from childhood and past mistakes did not just happen or come from the blue. Those changes came from meditating on what happened to us, why it happened and how we can change our inner selves so it does not make us bitter or interfere in our happy life. From meditation and prayer came the strength to overcome our bad experiences and use even those experiences to become a better human being.

Meditation is not something that you do just for show in an attempt to impress others. It comes from the soul and I think that soul was reflected in our conversation here.

So I think that Fayte and I were very much on topic.

Also, in regard to group meditation, I have nothing against that but even Jesus went off alone to mediatate. I tend to think that "group meditation" is more for show to impress others or it just becomes another little clique. Hard to do any serious meditation in a group I would think. Whatever others choose to do in that respect is okay by me, to each their own, but it just isn't for me.

mr.bungle:

Oh sh*te
i wsa hoping to pull some women and impres them to ha ha ha

better think of antother way then

i gave up lying about the szie of certain part of my body always got found out in the end\

either that or my buddys would tell on me

damn !!

Mirandee:

Not impressed, Mr. Bungle
How old are you? 14?

mr.bungle:

no 15 actually !!

(there was a for message icon, as if implying sarcasm)

fayte.m:

Ok.....
Impress us.
I dare you!
And behave!
Now play nice mr.bungle.
So birthday please.
I am November 3rd.
Do you write poetry?
Sing?
Or have some fasinating story to tell and what you learned or did not learn from the experience?
Have you ever been really depressed?
Have you ever felt really happy?
Democrat.Republican?
Or Apathetic?
Why don't you take some of those cool fun blog tests!

Mirandee:

Mr.Bungle, I'm sorry I was curt to you. You are new and I should be welcoming you.
There really is no excuse for being curt like that with a new member of LL. Especially since you are only 15 years old.

All I can offer is the explanation that I have been sick for over a week now with a bug I cannot shake. I thought I was getting better as I felt better for one day on Tuesday but then the fever and body aches came back on Wed. and I have been sick again since then.

Please forgive me as I am a little touchy right now with the fever and all.

Welcome to LL and as Fayte said please tell us something about yourself. What caused you to decide to join LL?

mr.bungle:

i am yuong
an looking for younger friends to talk to
so i might go look at other forum

andmaybe one day when i am older and a bit harder come back to here

dont really want stingy ouchy women i dont really likeas my mother one and very cruel to me

sheis also a scorpion

when i grow up a bit may come back here

fayte.m:

My mother is a stinging rabidly insane Scorpio.
I totally understand!
I will not sting you.
If you want to talk, I will listen.
I had a very rough time at your age.
I think I can understand you.
I will try.
So, please talk.
Why not hop over to the
~*^The Anything Goes Segue Spiral Rant On What's on Your Mind Today Thread.?^*~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002036.html
I started it as a safe place for folks to just be themselves.

I will personally defend you if another person treats you unjustly.
Come share please.
One is never too young or old to learn from another. Or teach.
Master and student are only a point of view,
We are all both.
So feel free to join us there.
Sincerely,
Fayte

PS. Hope you feel better soon Mirandee.
I have been ill also.
No fun.

posted April 15, 2006 03:28 PM              

It's not right to distort truth to suit whatever your agenda is here.
Because other's honor are at stake, the reality needs to be shown as well. Then people can, with their own judgement, make an objective fairer conclusion of your claims.

The 'treatment' was not plausibly explanatory of your reaction.
Wonder why that is?

Keeping faith in good people's abilities to look beyond other's manipulations and influence to truer actions shown is all.

These are people with different opinions...and wonders they hoped to more understand. Is there something so terrible in that? I won't say more about my opinion of this thread, but will keep out of it, as I chose to from the beginning. Will only say, that I think a lot of interesting thoughts were presented.

Solane, you're a dear for caring as you do, is all I think to say just now. I'm respectful of the delicacy of words just now, for all involved. Please keep faith, ok?

posted April 15, 2006 04:24 PM              

Solane,
Sue said she appreciated honesty. We both agreed.
But now its suddenly wrong?????
I will not start laughing or agreeing with someone no matter how much I like them, if I do not agree.
I will not play that game.
And mr.bungle I extended my hand in kindness and you were very rude.

posted April 15, 2006 04:26 PM            

People, I have just been informed that there is alot of the bigger picture that we didn't know about????

I'm going to hope that its addressed with much care, understanding and heart as there can be, in the near future, not like how it has been so far.

posted April 15, 2006 04:35 PM            

Very Prospective on your part.

Qoute:

The 'treatment' was not plausibly explanatory of your reaction.
Wonder why that is?

posted April 15, 2006 04:45 PM            

It has to be dealt with in private, with the other party and not here at LL.

People hear didn't know the whole story and I feel you guys really need to talk before this will all just blow and go away!!!

Things like this don't just go away, without you both making it really clear to each other how you both feel.

As you can see it only invites others into your problems and then others start trying to fight your battles and passing out judgements, and the ball starts running with more negitivity!!!!

posted April 15, 2006 05:02 PM            

Qoute:

Dancing:

Lia, Thank you.
Sue has disagreed with me many times. And I with her.
Why this thread is any different, who knows.
Sue says alot of great things, and is very helpful here at LL.
This thread just seemed a bit odd and somewhat out of character for her, so I replied.
All I wanted was more details.

posted April 15, 2006 05:55 PM              

The posts on this thread have nothing to do with those issues.
Totally separate things.

I disagree and agree with alot of people.
Nothing new about that.

Please respect the privacy of all concerned.
What goes on off the boards is no one elses business.

posted April 15, 2006 07:14 PM            

So she pointed out that the Leo was acting like a Leo. Big deal! Would you jump all over someone because they said a Capricorn stayed too long at work, or a Taurus was stubborn? Would you get on someone's case because they said an Aries acted impulsively, or a Gemini wouldn't shut up?

As shop22much said, "OH WOW SOMEONE JUDGED SOMEONE BY THEIR SIGN, HOW IRONIC."

posted April 15, 2006 07:48 PM              

Yes..Sue said lovely things about and to the woman.
Very nice.

I just felt the CROWD was being rude to her and Sue maybe took her walking away as rude when that might NOT have been the case.

Sue was nice to her. With the compliments.
But also laughed at the woman's discomfort.
That surprised me! Sue is usually understanding of that kind of thing.
And I was not sure if she was sure the "leo" was being rude, or she just thought she was being rude.
Really, she might have gone to the bathroom or something.
And again...the fact that Sue had to "lean" down to her said she was there listening to Sue's performance.

No offense was intended here by me.
Why are certain folks jumping on me now?
I often question people.
Why all the big foofarah this time?

posted April 15, 2006 08:53 PM            

We weren't there, and whether the crowd was rude or wasn't isn't really of any consequence.

Sure the Leo could have left for lots of reasons. Whenever I get done with a performance I generally retreat myself. I think it's part of figuring out who's into you and who isn't. If people follow you to wherever you're retreating to then you get your ego stroked for how great you did. I have no reason to believe a Leo would be any different. The way Sue explained it doesn't lead me to believe that she walked away in shame or anything. She probably couldn't care less about Sue's performance, so she went to find out how great she did.

There isn't a great mystery to everything. Some things just are what they are. This woman looked like a Leo, and seemed to act like a Leo, so it was cool that Sue guessed it right. That's all.

Sue's leaning into her happened at the end of the night she said. Not necessarily directly after Sue's performance. My honest guess is that the Leo is a smoker, and probably went outside for a bit (if their laws are like ours are). I could be wrong, too, though. We weren't there to see.

Also, you didn't start with questions, but rather with assertions you couldn't reasonably make not having been there yourself.

Then when you did ask questions, they were certainly defending Leo whom we know nothing about. Does it matter if Sue felt inferior or intimidated by her? Seems pretty clear that she was a bit intimidated, so why bring it up again? What is your interest in making that point? What purpose does it serve you? You said that you thought Sue was harsh in her judgment, but was she really? I didn't see any stinging rebuke of Leos in Sue's post. Neither did shop22, neval, Happy Dragon, Solane, or Freebird.

Sometimes when you see something you don't like and you want to comment you have to ask yourself whether or not your comments are going to be of use to anyone. I know I've deleted lots of negative posts before hitting the submit button. If you or Mirandee had just asked upfront for Sue to clarify what was funny, or what she was trying to say about Leos then it probably would've gone differently.

posted April 15, 2006 09:24 PM              

I see your point.
But we were not trying to offend.

posted April 15, 2006 09:37 PM              

Ok....
I thought also that Sue was offended by the woman.
She seemed upset at her walking off.

I offered other ways to look at it all.
What was so bad about that?
Maybe I phrased it roughly.
But I just felt perhaps Sue misjudged the woman and the woman honestly was not being rude.
Maybe she was being rude.

But we do not know do we?

The woman is not here to tell us her side.
So how about we all just leave it at that?

A story told all said and done.
We have said our pieces.
Is it really necessary to keep on with all this?
It is getting tiresome and proves nothing.
Only that people agree and disagree and the two camps are not going to stop arguing.
So how about a truce?

posted April 15, 2006 10:01 PM              

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No!!! I don't just think the problem will blow over!!!
It has to be dealt with in private, with the other party and not here at LL.

Then why are you discussing it on the threads at LL instead of allowing it to be resolved in private, Solane? It was not Fayte that brought it onto the threads but you.

Frankly, it's a private matter between SueG and none of your business or ours. I don't care and don't want to know what happened between the two of them. It's their business and it is for them to work out without others butting in and taking sides. And that is what happens when you bring private matters onto public threads, Solane, others take sides then it becomes just one big drama. I wonder what astro junkie thinks about this.

Fayte made it clear that it is a private matter that she does not wish to discuss on the threads. She also made it clear that she still held out hope that the difference could be resolved.

So let it go for crying out loud. Butt out!! It's SueG's problem and Faye's problem not yours, mine or anyone elses. Leave it for them to resolve or not.

Enough said. I am not going to be drug into this psycho drama. I have been out of high school for a long time now. This is high school stuff. This is Easter and if you guys are adults and have families you would think you would have better things to do on Easter then start psycho dramas on internet threads.

P.S. Frankly, Solane, I could care less if you like what I just said or not. It's how I feel about it and I have as much right as you or anyone else to express how I feel about it.