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Love
Knowflake

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posted April 03, 2006 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering if anyone can give me more information on what Venus Square Uranus might mean in a synastry chart and how powerful this aspect might be considered overall. This aspect was present in a previous relationship that was super intense and then ended far faster than I was prepared for. Is this something, for example, that is beneficial to pay alot of attention to or is it something that just needs to be put into context within the scope of the entire synastry chart? I ask b/c it has popped up in another synastry chart and I am wondering how much attention to give to it.

Thanks!

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posted April 03, 2006 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cassy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/venusaspects.html#vesur

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jkxx
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posted April 03, 2006 10:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love,

that's what it does. It'll make the relationship interesting for a couple of weeks and then end it abruptly. I call it the relationship harakiri aspect. One thing I'm not sure about is whether it's the venus or uranus person who forces the relationship to fall apart.

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Lady Macbeth
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posted April 03, 2006 12:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an aspect that can signify separation or divorce. The Uranus person would be the catalyst for the change. The tighter the orb (for any aspect), the stronger the inclination.

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Selena
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posted April 03, 2006 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But what about the following example:

In the same synastry chart for two people, there is a Uranus - Venus square and at the exactly same degree there is a Saturn - Venus trine? Both at 3.4 degrees apart? How is one to interpret conflicting aspects like these : one of stability and one of instability going at the same time? In the same chart, there is also Venus - Uranus sextile (1.2 degrees).
How does one decide what is stronger : Saturn trine Venus, or Uraus square Venus?
My guess would be smth. like : long term, but unstable relationship? What do you people think?

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Selena
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posted April 03, 2006 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, it's me again,

I've just looked at the chart for two people who are about to get married very soon (they are engaged). They have Saturn conjunct Venus in their synastry (2 degrees apart), and they also have our "deadly" Venus square Uranus (1.4 degrees). Another conflicting situation, they are obviously getting married, but what will be stronger, Venus - Saturn to keep them together, or Venus - Uranus, to break them up? Other aspects are pretty much a mixed bag, nothing out of ordinary, IMO.

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posted April 03, 2006 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I am wondering the same thing... I wonder if it is an aspect that can possibly be thwarted (as it were) if there are enough 'positive' aspects to remove or dilute its affect. And while I'm here, I have to say that I am tired of always finding this in my synastry charts this year! Geez! Throw me a bone here!

Okay, that was me venting.

Love

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posted April 03, 2006 10:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right now I'm dealing with uranus square neptune.

It makes for unexpected surprises. Nasty unexpected surprises.
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posted April 03, 2006 10:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A restlessness of desire. Lots of space. on the venus/uranus aspect.

saturn/venus would be a less is more feeling. like you can be satisfied with what you have not feeling lacking.

my 2 cents.

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Lady Macbeth
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posted April 03, 2006 10:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selena,

Both of those synastric aspects are in tight orb. Hypothetically, if I were looking at the synastry in two charts with these aspects and "nothing of note" elsewhere, I would say that the Venus conjunct Saturn would lend itself to a lasting connection but that the Venus square Uranus would cause that connection to exist outside of the typical committed relationship.

I've seen that Venus square Uranus aspect consistently in the synastry of divorced people or people who have had difficult break ups. This aspect can lend itself to infatuations.

The Venus conjunct Saturn aspect seems to work best in business or professional relationships. When it is found in a romantic relationship, it does indicate durability, although there can be a significant age difference in the relationship...or a motivation for financial security.

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wilsontc
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posted April 04, 2006 01:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selena,

Lady said:

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...I would say that the Venus conjunct Saturn would lend itself to a lasting connection but that the Venus square Uranus would cause that connection to exist outside of the typical committed relationship.

To add to this point: as to whether these two aspects would lead to stability or divorce in a marriage, I believe it depends on how well the people decide to work TOGETHER to overcome their issues. While Uranus has to do with "rebellion", it also has to do with "restructuring", so if BOTH sides are willing to make adjustments, things could be fine!

Looking at both sides at once,

Tim

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Selena
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posted April 04, 2006 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone for your valuable insight!

Yes, those contradicting aspects in synastry are very confusing to me. But I also think, that in the end, it is two people involved that can conciously work with them to overcome the instability of the challenging ones.
Also, I was told by one astrologer, that those aspects don't neccesserilly describe relationship as such, eg. Venus-Uranus = unstable relationship. She explained to me that they often describe the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding that relationship. So, two people may be very committed, and in the stable relationship, but, due to Venus-Uranus, day may be frequently apart, they may even have long-distance relationship and see each other periodically, their relationship may be highly unusual in some way or perhaps unexpected for them or other people, their relationship may be disruptive to other relationships, there are many possibilities. I personally think that if there are enough stable, positive aspects besides this one, this just mean that the relationship may be a bit erratic, unusual, unpredictable, but not neccesserilly a "divorce" material. I mean, maybe people will never marry with this aspect, but will continue being together, sometimes it describes those on-off relationships.
The two people who I mentioned above, getting married (it is not me, I am already married!), have Venus-Uranus square, Sat-Ven conjunction, and the bride has in her natal Ven-Ura square, with Uranus being the ruler of her seventh house!!! I looked at her horoscope because she was having second thoughts about the marriage, during Mercury retrograde period (she is Gemini), and I wasn't surprised about her reaction when I saw those "lovely, stable" Uranus aspects. But, they are going ahead, they love one another, that is the key, and they do have this Ven-Sat aspect to help them out.
This is very interesting thread, maybe we'll get more oppinions and experiences...Cheers everyone, Selena

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Azalaksh
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posted April 04, 2006 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this would be a wonderful time to throw in my two favorite quotes for perspective:

From Linda Goodman’s “Relationship Signs” page 196 ~

If only Earthlings would realize the power of love to conquer any kind of misery or unhappiness like a mighty magic wand, it wouldn’t matter whether two people’s birth charts were full of positive or so-called negative aspects because love can conquer the influences of the planets. It can even eliminate karma. Yes, if only humans truly understood this. Well, it’s the Aquarian age of serendipity, so maybe someday soon.

From Steven Forrest: http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

'Zala

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Happy Dragon
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posted April 04, 2006 08:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
§ Tim §
*I believe it depends on how well the people decide to work TOGETHER to overcome their issues.*
§ Selena §
*But, they are going ahead, they love one another, that is the key ..*
§ 'Z §
*I think this would be a wonderful time to throw in my two favorite quotes for perspective*
§ Lady M §

i didn't realy agree with the 'skyscript' .v/u text ...
v/u be nataly square here at 1.3 deg .. don't mind it at all .. makes life interesting ..

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LILYGIRL
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posted April 04, 2006 09:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My parents were married 44 years before my mom died. They had Venus/Uranus aspects as do I with my spouse (15 years plus we have 3 square pluto aspects). I have to tell you it always makes me nutz to see aspects immediately tagged with Divorce, Infidelity or Death...

I agree with Tim. How mature, evolved and commited are the individuals? The other thing is aspects I can handle at 40+ I am certain would have been relationship death knells at 22. The other thing is some persons' charts and personalities thrive better on rebellion, and a healthy dose of alleged "square stress". I would say my biggest issues with my own marriage is NOT the squares--it's the matching Gemini suns/mercuries and a 4 plant composite stellium in H6 Gemini which for us equals friendship + servitude. But that;s me. I also do not prefer a ton of contact with my moon...too smothering!

So it depends on the entire chart, the personalities and tendencies/maturity of the partners and what they can and cannot thrive on.

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proxieme
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posted April 04, 2006 09:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for that AZ and Lily

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Belage
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posted April 04, 2006 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate to sound pessimistic about Venus square URanus. IMO, no matter how many other positive aspecs you have with this person, unless you're ready to have a very unconventional relationship, or a relationship that might just end when you least expect it, stay away romantically from someone with whom you have this aspect. Unless you want just a fling of course.

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Selena
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posted April 04, 2006 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I don't know,

I don't believe that just one aspect can completely obliterate many other good aspects, so what is the point of other aspects, then?
Why not, if this is the case, always just look at Venus and Uranus, and then when we see a square or opposition, just throw the towel in and say, NO,NO,NO, you may have all these wonderful Sun-Moon trines/conjunctions, Venus/Mars, Moon/Ascendant, etc, but because you have Venus-Uranus square, it won't work, just forget it. Well, I don't think so. And, it is well known in astrology that the Sun, Moon and the Ascendant are more important planets than Venus and Uranus. What I mean is, if someone has amazing aspects with someone between their respective Sun and the Moon and their Ascendants, I think than Ven-Uranus square is just a supporting act so to say, and not the main cast.
Even Linda says something about the importance of Sun, Moon and Asc aspects in the introduction to her "Love signs". Here is the quote:
"...It is worth all the time and trouble it takes to compare two horoscopes for compatibility, because when you find trined, sextiled or conjuncted relationship between two Sun signs - and also trined, sextiled and conjuncted relationships between mutual Sun and Moon signs, plus a positive interchange of the signs on the Ascendants with the Luminaries - Love than takes on a deeper dimension. Love between two people whose personal auras have thus harmoniously blended creates the kind of vibration poets write about, and can manifest marvellous magic."
I've read the entire "Love signs" book, for every sign combination, and in every combination she always mentiones, besides the Sun sign compatibility, all important Sun-Moon compatibility, especially the utmost importance of so called positive Sun-Moon aspects.
So perhaps Venus-Uranus is really hard on couples who don't have very good basic compatibility (Sun, Moon, Ascendant), but we saw in several examples in other posts how others have managed to stay together besides having Ven-Ura aspect. This is why it is so good to have people contributing with their own examples, or people they know, otherwise, we would just take any useless astro cook book, read the chapter about Ven-Ura, and consider the relationship doomed. Just my $.02 on this....


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tbone
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posted April 04, 2006 07:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to agree with Selena...AND I know from experience. I was in a relaitonship with this aspect and not only that we had VENUS SQUARE URANUS DOUBLE WHAMMY.! Wow. that sure was some crazy times. When we fought it was very volatile/emotional. We also had Venus squared Saturn. I agree with whomever said that stuff about "long distance " relationship or on /off relationship.
Thats definately true in my case. We also have positive aspects as well..Sun conj. Asc.
Sun conj. Jupiter. Sun trine Mars . Venus squared Mars..etc.. SO i would definately NOT look at the synastry and if i had Venus sq. Ur. with someone just "throw in the towel"

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jkxx
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posted April 06, 2006 02:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had some cases where I had sun trine sun and moon trine moon with the person. The venus-uranus aspect prevailed though.

When explaining how he calculates orbs for aspects, Tim said that he would use a wider orb to the disharmonious aspects and a tighter one for the harmonious ones - reason being that it takes a lot more energy to build something up than to tear it down (I hope I'm not misparaphrasing here ) Similarly, you need a whole lot of "positive" aspects to offset just one prominent disruptive aspect. And as far as disruption aspects go, venus-uranus is probably king of them all.

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wilsontc
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posted April 06, 2006 03:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jkxx,

Thanks for remembering and mentioning the explanation I gave! I think you got the basics of it fine!

The only thing I would add is that we are quick to recognize challenging (disharmonious) aspects and slower to recognize easy (harmonious) aspects. So we very EASILY understand and feel the challenging aspects (i.e., conjuntion, square, and opposition) and so I use a wide orb for the challenging aspects. However, we have to "get real close" to the harmonious aspects (i.e., sextile and trine) in order for us to be aware of them: and so I use a tighter orb for the easy aspects.

I also use the quincunx, which has to do with adjustment. Since, in order for us to even BOTHER adjusting ourselves, the thing which needs adjusting has to be almost "in our face", I use the tightest orbs for the quincunx.

Agreeing aspectfully,

Tim

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posted April 06, 2006 03:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't believe any one aspect can make or break a relationship. with a venus-uranus square in synastry, a lot of what comes about from that synastric connection between 2 people is going to depend heavily on how venus or uranus is placed in the natal and what apsects that planet makes. (for instance, if person A's venus squares person B's uranus...how is person A's venus placed? what sign? house? aspects? same goes for person B's uranus.)

to understand a synastry aspect that a couple has, it's necessary to first understand each person's natal chart - one must understand a person's capacity for relationship, their approach to relationships. how they might behave in a relationship. these bits of knowledge all go into helping an astrologer to determine how a venus-uranus square might play out in relationship A versus relationship B. this aspectual connection is not going to manifest the exact same way in every relationship. (gosh, that would be boring, wouldn't it?)

and, as with any couple, there are often multiple synastry connections going on at once, so all of those must be taken into consideration.

one thing to check for is declinational ties that enhance the square. i had this in my last relationship -- my venus squared his uranus by 6°. trumping this square up a bit was my venus parallel his uranus by 5 minutes.

in addition, check for what they call "shared affinity". in other words, say a couple has a venus-uranus square. say the venus person has a venus in aquarius and the uranus person has uranus in scorpio (im just using my own personal example here). then let's go a bit further and say that the venus person has venus in the 8th house and the uranus person has uranus in the 11th house. you can probably see how this square might work very beautifully because there's a house similarity.

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LILYGIRL
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posted April 06, 2006 04:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to add that I have discovered that persons who may have these own SQUARES in their NATAL chart are sometimes infintely, more adept at handling them (my 44 year married parents --my 52 year married in laws--both couples with the so called "divorce" aspects have these challenges in their own personal charts).

Perhaps they are more accustomed to that energy? I do not know, but I do know that when I look at the charts of my spouse and best friends (some friends for 20-30 years) they or I or both tend to have these notorius aspects. I have yet to have an intimate bond with a person who I did not have a Pluto or Uranus square with.

The other thing is that Uranus aspect can frequently spell a relationship where one spouse is absent a great deal--say via travel, service in the armed forces, diplomacy or trucking. It may also represent an "open" relationship or what might be perceived as a very unusual relationship. Or just as much an odd sudden beginning (My husband asked me to marry him on the second date; we married 3 months later)

In other words that aspects can play out in many, many ways. This of course makes sense. Think of it. As slow as Uranus is, a gazillion people have these so called "disruptive" Uranus/Venus aspects and they are clearly not playing out in divorce. I agree that such asepcts do not equal smooth business as usual, but then again conjunctions represent their own "challenges". (The old..."I feel like you know me so well...you're like me..but hey wait! hell, who said I liked me and I don't drive myself crazy? ROFL..hence the opposite attracts scenario....but I digress...)

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posted April 06, 2006 06:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with individuals who have Uranus in their own chart maybe able to handle the engery of the uranus in synastry/composite better if they did not.

A couple I know have this type of arrangement. One has sun conj uranus, the other moon conj uranus in their natal, so they both go throught a lot of personal changes. They have venus conj uranus in their composite.
Personally, I think both people crave changing situations so this aspect in their composite might not be so scary, disruptive and terminating.
Also both of these have jobs that requires a lot of travel...so their relationship is def. fast paced, open and they both have to deal with changes all of the time.
My 2 cents on these types of aspects

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Blue M
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posted April 06, 2006 09:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LILLYGirl,

I just want to say thank you for your last post. You have given me so much hope. I have a Venus Square Uranaus in my own chart, and have had tons of broken relationships. Mostly breaking up getting back together. The back and forth thing.

I used to resent astrologer who would tell me that I loved my freedom and did not take love seriously.

Now that I am older I better understand my Venus Uranus aspect. I do love learning about other cultures and foreigners love me. One astrologer told me I would marry a foreigner. I feel so comfortable socializing with any culture and my boyfriends have been from other countries.

I don't really want to be free from a meaningful relationship, but I do like different and learning new things about my boyfriends. I am a very faithful person if I am in love.

Now, with all that being said I am again really liking a guy and we have a Venus Square Uranus aspect. I think his Venus squares my Uranus or vice-versa. I so much want this to last or get it's feet off the ground but I was a little scared....but you have given me hope that if it ever started it could possibly last more than a minute.

Thanks,

Blue M

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