posted April 14, 2006 11:57 AM            

Pluto squares or oppositions to Venus can be a b...

Anyway, in my case, my most painful relationship had to do with a guy who had Venus opposite my Uranus and square my Neptune. We were always on and off (Uranus opposition) and there was a lot of pain involved (Neptune square).

posted April 14, 2006 01:56 PM              

I've really been feeling like I've met the right person for me at long last and would hate to think this venus/pluto thing is going to totally screw things up.

How exact do the degrees need to be to make the square a powerful one? Not very good at working these things out yet.

I have Venus in Cap at 10 deg in 2nd house and pluto in Libra at 1 deg in 10th house.

He has Venus in Cap at 18 deg in 2nd house and pluto in Libra at 6 deg in 9th house.

posted April 14, 2006 02:12 PM              

I'm not the expert but it would appear that the only true square there is between your Venus and his Pluto. Most synastry looks at aspects as being within 5 degrees- 0-5 degrees. Your own natal squares are greater than 5, as is the other synastry square. I think I'm calculating this right...

I have the same type Venus-Pluto square w/ this guy, that is involving my Venus in Cap. and his Pluto in Libra. That is some very interesting synastry you have there, just looking at these planets... I'd be curious as to what the rest is like, the other planets' placements?

posted April 14, 2006 03:28 PM            

She took the last stool and, turning parallel to the bar, propped the
corrugated soles of her boots on the rung of the stool beside her, so
that her knees provided both a convenient perch for her notebook,
which she removed tenderly from one pocket, and a discreet screen
between herself and the rest of the room.

Most people could not have avoided the conspicousness of such a
position, especially in so upscale a place as this; but with her it
was something different. Her manner was charismatic, both cheerful and
unassuming. Even setting herself in a kind of subtle opposition to
them, and notwithstanding the admittedly, confessedly, finer, more
delicate material of which she was made, still, she somehow managed to
blend seamlessly in with the rest of the crowd. Peering over the top
of her junior-sized notebook, biting the pen-cap in place of an
unprotected lower lip, she studied them each in turn, a look of
charming and unobtrusive curiosity on her very pretty, though strong,
young face. If she managed to catch their eyes, she just smiled
good-naturedly and went back to the page. The people didn't seem to
mind it a bit, but, rather, many of them appeared even flattered by
the attentions of so kind and beautiful a biographer as this.

When the bartender set down another glass of red wine, lowering it
crane-like, with palm acting as canopy, onto the countertop, she gave
him an amused look, head inclined almost entirely to one side, pensive
with admiration, as if to say, "even your most menial actions contain
a sublimity all their own," and her eyes continued to follow him
affectionately down the long length of the bar. Then, like an
in-breath pending an out-breath, they hung distractedly upon the ether, awaiting the prosaic transmutation of the muse, and fell lavishly back to the page, where her pen had already begun dutifully shaping the words.

Her hair was somewhat longer than shoulder length. Dirty blonde and
loose, and peppered with one or two tightly woven braids, it fell
uniformly enough until reaching the exaggerated shoulders of her black
winter coat, where it broke like water; scattered itself generously
among the folds. Her complexion was soft, more pale than pink, and
this lent her youthful countenance a gravity, a solemnity, already
suggested by the strong pronunciation of her brow and the sharp,
clever cut of her nose; - all of which might easily have become
alarming, had the general effect not been so artfully tempered by the
gentle ardor of her eyes and the childlike joie de vivre, which
communicated itself both subtly and effortlessly through the image of
all her multifarious aspects. Her lips were the sole heiresses and
proprietresses of a certain, exquisite shade of pink, much coveted,
and unsusceptible to the charms of reproduction. She had artist's
hands, which, though small, were thin and long and remarkably
well-proportioned. The fingers seemed barely to touch the objects of
their interest, and always moved with a touching, unconscious grace,
as if in response to some mysterious and dulcet invitation.

I was standing in the glass anteroom when I saw her; opposite the bar,
studying her fugitive profile, much obscured by the golden curtain of
her hair. At first, I was struck by the fact of a girl, a pretty girl,
sitting unescorted, and as comfortably as if she'd been curled up at
home in bed, writing in a notebook. Then I began to absorb something
altogether more of her. She was acutely sensitive; at least as acutely
sensitive to beauty and goodness as I myself was to ugliness and vice
- as though we were two sides of the same coin. Whereas I could only
distinguish what it was that I did not like, here was someone capable
of seeing, almost exclusively, it seemed, only what she most desired
to see. It seemed to me a fated meeting. This girl, I thought, might
be my salvation - provided I did not succeed in damning her first.

Having, at length, exhausted the aesthetic fertility of the room, she
turned her eyes toward me. I had been gazing pensively, abstractedly
at her just prior to this sudden development, and, when she
immediately caught my eyes, there seemed to be nothing left to do but
flounder innocently in the headlights. There was a flash of pleasant
surprise, then a mysterious kind of recognition, and genuine kindness
in her gaze. But, here was something strange. Her eyes, a lighter
blue, retained the same tenderness, the same intelligence, the same
sober emotionality, with none of the timid "modesty" of my own. In
beholding her there, I had unwittingly assumed the expression peculiar
to her; the beauty which she instinctively and habitually observed in
the outer world I had managed to glimpse in the luminous mirror of her
manner and her eyes, and, so, reflect, if only briefly, with my own.
It was as if I were looking into a mirror and, for the first time in
remembered history, finding myself looking back with a semblance of
admiration, respect, even affection. It was exhilarating.

For several incredible seconds, our eyes exchanged intimacies. Some
barely perceptible inflection in her gaze found instant compliment in
mine, and mine in hers. This subtle, yet sensational interplay went on
for a few brief moments, each of us responding instinctively to the
tacit ministrations of the other, revealing our common sensibilities;
the many and variegated aspects of our identities that found rapport.
At last, there was a suggestion of feminine warmth in her gaze.

I wasn't prepared for it; I looked away.

Maybe it was just humility, or the honest, albeit discouraging,
appraisal of my own worth, but I blushed, I crumbled, I looked away;
at the air, my clothes, my shoes, the landscape of the floor. She just
giggled. It seemed light-hearted, forgiving, and almost ironical in
nature, - as though she too had been impressed by the encounter, and
couldn't help but find comic the ensuing melodrama of my crippling
insecurity, - like the laughter of a child, effected by the clumsy and
desperate scrapings of an adorable puppy-dog.

Anyway, I was with my parents - waiting for them - and I couldn't go
back, though I would have liked to, and even felt that perhaps my
honor was somehow at stake. After shuffling awkwardly into the corner,
by the outside door, where she could no longer see me, and hanging my
head in a moment of silent shame, I hurried into the street and into
the back of a waiting car. I tried to look out the rear window, to
catch a last lingering glimpse of her, but it was plastered over with
snow and ice. All I could make out was the fracturing penumbra of
an overhanging traffic light.

posted April 14, 2006 03:30 PM              

Yes, that sounds like more sense that it's my venus and his pluto and not both.

We have quite a few good placements and a couple of not so good ones but then again I've not been taking the 5 degree thing into account. Will have to take another look at our charts.

Is your guy into astrology too? Maybe you could explain the Venus Pluto thing to him. It's easier to solve a problem if you are aware of what the problem actualy is.

Linda says in relationship signs "One way to solve it would be for Pluto to loan some of that strength to Venus instead of using it as a weapon of control, and for Venus to stop fearing plutos tendency to get even, and to replace resentment with charm, pluto can use lots of lessons in charm. Or, if all else fails, just say to each other, "I'm very sorry for whatever i did to you that i can't remember, but whatever it was, please forgive me, and let's get on with our trip down the yellow brick road together." Who could resist such lovely logic."

I take it you have not had as response to the letter yet?

To satisfy your curiosity, here's our details:-

Me
Sun Sagittarius 14°31'12 01 direct
Moon Leo 17°47'32 08 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 26°40'23 01 retrograde
Venus Capricorn 10°10'58 02 direct
Mars Pisces 17°45'01 03 direct
Jupiter Sagittarius 16°47'13 01 direct
Saturn Gemini 02°06'31 07 retrograde
Uranus Libra 17°19'08 10 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 03°14'04 01 direct
Pluto Libra 01°49'23 09/10 direct
True Node Aquarius 06°31'51 02 direct

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Scorpio 29°44'25
2nd House Capricorn 03°41'57
3rd House Aquarius 22°03'26
Imum Coeli Aries 02°17'02
5th House Aries 28°19'47
6th House Taurus 16°07'56
Descendant Taurus 29°44'25
8th House Cancer 03°41'57
9th House Leo 22°03'26
Medium Coeli Libra 02°17'02
11th House Libra 28°19'47
12th House Scorpio 16°07'56

Him
Sun Sagittarius 01°55'45 12 direct
Moon Scorpio 26°41'58 12 direct
Mercury Scorpio 12°24'55 11 direct
Venus Capricorn 18°34'33 02 direct
Mars Aries 25°19'22 04 stationary (D)
Jupiter Aquarius 07°10'42 02 direct
Saturn Cancer 03°27'51 07 retrograde
Uranus Libra 25°44'18 10 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 06°57'59 01 direct
Pluto Libra 06°14'17 09 direct
True Node Sagittarius 28°41'15 01 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Sagittarius 06°10'09
2nd House Capricorn 13°02'17
3rd House Pisces 03°08'41
Imum Coeli Aries 11°19'49
5th House Taurus 05°41'13
6th House Taurus 22°40'42
Descendant Gemini 06°10'09
8th House Cancer 13°02'17
9th House Virgo 03°08'41
Medium Coeli Libra 11°19'49
11th House Scorpio 05°41'13
12th House Scorpio 22°40'42

posted April 14, 2006 03:42 PM              

I'm not very skilled in crossing referencing the lists to get aspects, but interesting that you're both Sag. suns too! Like you I have Pisces Mars/ Cap. Venus! Cafeastrology.com has a good free compatibility report... you have to go to their free natal report first, enter in yours or his info, and just get a natal report; and then it will offer the option of adding a 2nd person for a compatibility reading. It's all just displayed online on the site- Then astroadvice.com has another cool comptability reading; you need to "register" first, for free, and input your data.

I recall reading that section in LoveSigns! He knows I'm into astrology, although I've only spoken to him of us both being Capricorns; I think I'd freak most men out if I started lecturing on ... "well see your darn pluto is squaring my nice venus, presenting this need for you to have control over me!" haha No response to the letter yet... I'm also dealing w/ a Capricorn man, on top of all of this, which in and of itself presents control-freak issues!!

posted April 14, 2006 04:02 PM              

I noticed you share your sun signs too.

Thanks for info. I've been on cafeastrology before but didnt see the compatibility bit. I'll go and give it a go now.

I'm going to point this venus pluto thing out to my man. He has expressed an interest in astrology and has started reading his stars daily, but he's not convinced. He will probably laugh or something but at least I will have put the thoughts of it in his head.

I know what you mean about the Cap man. Had one myself once. Stayed with him on and off for 2 years even though he was violent occassionally. I wonder if we had that venus pluto aspect.

Yup those issues eh!

posted April 19, 2006 10:34 AM              

just wanted to say .. that was brilliant ..
realy struck a chord here regarding Pluto ..
i've moon (12th) .. venus(9th) .. sun(11th) .. intertwined with Pluto(2nd) .. nataly
.. must have effected past relationships of all sorts ..

those contacts keep showing up in synastry observations as well ..
frightening .. yet .. attractive

would love to write about one past relationship in particular ..
but ..
1 .. i don't know her chart data .. except she was aries sun ..
although i think we were same age year wise ...
2 .. i can no longer connect up the emotions felt at the time ..
so can't realy write about it ..
3 .. i don't realy want to dredge up feelings from
past unrequited intense affairs of the heart

all i can think is that .. i know my transits at the time were 'big 'n heavy'
so was probably same or similar for her ..

posted April 19, 2006 10:57 AM              

We have the moon-neptune conjunction (my neptune) and I think a couple of other neptune aspects too (not venus though), so that is similar to your former relationship also. Thanks so much for your advice.

posted April 20, 2006 01:51 AM              

Pisces here... I am hoping someone could help me. I am basically trying to get an astrologer here.. haha!

I am not going to get detailed but I am a Pisces trying to catch myself a Goat. LOL! Well I found the goat but I can't catch the grass eating jerk!

Honestly I have been told I have some serious aspects and karmic ties etc. with this guy but I haven't found anyone can help me not just understand the aspects but how the aspects effect the other aspects and how they can make the one aspect even harder or more easy. I know I have some serious power plays but I don't want them but at times I feel I make them. I just want to understand what it is he needs from me that I am not giving him even though I give him my heart which I swear he has no idea what I feel no matter what I say but actions tend to work a bit better but scare the crap out of him. I never feel full, like I want more. Because I see so much potential. He cannot seem to commit but yet I respect it and see he cannot do it and I know not because he doesn't care or want me, it's deeper. This guy always wants me but yet cannot actually show it or say it or see me because that is a way of saying I want u and so he goes forever making me come to the point I am typing this. LOL! I feel there is always something left unsaid on my part, like I missed something every time after seeing him. And I am extremely communicative...

So here is my birth info:

Virgo Rising
Pisces sun/ Aries cusp (I believe in this) lol
Cancer moon
Pisces Mercury
Aries Venus
Sagittarius Mars
Pisces Jupiter
Sagittarius Saturn
Sagittarius Uranus
Capricorn Neptune
Scorpio Pluto
Lilith Gemini
North Node Taurus

His Chart:

Capricorn Sun
Sagittarius Moon
Aquarius Mercury
Aquarius Venus
Aquarius Mars
Sagittarius Jupiter
Scorpio Saturn
Sagittarius Uranus
Sagittarius Neptune
Libra Pluto
Lilith Capricorn
North Node Cancer

I understand the north node/ cancer moon aspect and greatly feel it. I also feel my south node and his saturn at play. I feel I am very supportive of him and of course the most sympathetic towards him. I never feel able to walk away and when I do try something feels wrong about it. I have passed the huge bump in the road with him so I think and that emotional roller coaster but I see a pattern with him that is like we will see each other and he will be the one to get serious but act detached about it even asking indirect questions and answers that throw me for a loop but after realizing he didn't mean to throw me for a loop but it's his way of asking a question without being vulnerable to me. He then becomes distant and then tells me I get too serious but yet I feel so pushed away that I push him away but first spill more of how I feel for him every time this happens and for some reason when I tell my feelings as scary as it is I feel it makes him melt even though he acts as though he doesn't want me to tell those feelings and I do this through email.... So it's never face to face but I have a very affectionate nature when with him. After an emoinal heart pounding I care for you and these are the reasons but yet this is too hard for me to keep going like this, I end up running into him, fate? Alway at this point in my mind thinking it's over he opens that door again making me question things and know it's not over for him in how he looks at me and approaches me. He is usually intimidated but for some reason after I spill my feelings I feel intimidated and he doesn't and then well the confusion sets in when we run into each other we cannot seem to speak but just look at each others eyes like what's next... What is causing all this? LOL! I sometimes think when I spill how I feel after he hasn't it's like I am giving up a part of myself and power? And this makes him feel more in control because he is in more control of knowing how I feel by reasuring him but right when we start to get one another and he is confident and feels more at ease we already pushed each other too far away to come back to each other and finish what we start and so we just always start over a few months down the line and no one can get serious. This is even confusing for me, ugh! Anyones advice is appriciated.

posted April 25, 2006 11:49 AM            

Cafeastrology.com has this to say about the aspect in the composite:

"Deep forces from within both of you will complicate your interactions with one another. You trigger deep feelings in one another, including those you may be accustomed to hiding, such as powerful passions, extreme possessiveness, an urge to dominate (sexually or otherwise). Avoid manipulative plays such as guilt, emotional blackmail, jealously, or threats of abandonment - at all costs!

Your connection with one another will have a deeply transforming affect on you both, and even your seemingly casual interactions will somehow influence or change you. That is, if you do not get entangled in some of the subterranean power struggles mentioned above.

Part of the purpose of your relationship is to bring up aspects of yourselves and of your attitudes towards loving others which you have kept in the dark until now."

Hope that helps....

posted April 28, 2006 04:49 PM              

My current love affair has GOT to be the real thing. I was a dental student, in my fifth year of college, and we were taking clinical training courses at the time. One day, on my way to class, I saw this gorgeous man, and although any one hardly attracts my attention, this man did. But I was in a rush to get to my training class and soon forgot about my encounter. Two hours later I was stopped by one of my professors who insisted that I take a look at his friend's son, who was in desperate need of a dental check up and cleaning. I apologized and said I was busy with my own patient that I was currently working on, but he insisted. He sent me off to get him, and lo and behold, waiting outside the clinic was that man that I had noticed 2 hours earlier. He looked at me and smiled. AFter that he officially became my patient ( in my college each person is assigned one patient to practice on, on a weekly basis throughout the year). I cant explain it, but we immediately clicked, and we started talking like we were old friends. I looked forward to his appointments, and later on found out that he did too. Then the emails started, almost on a daily basis, talking about the most random nonsense, nothing yet everything. Then the late night conversations began, it was like we just couldn't have enough of eachother. Still, all this was very friendly, so technically this was not a romantic relationship, and the fact that I was his (student) dentist kept me quite formal.
Almost six months later, he confessed his feelings towards me in the most beautiful manner, and I was completely smitten. From then on we have become inseperable, he IS my soulmate. Although we've been raised in completely different backgrounds our similarities are endless! And the passion between us is something unbelievable and new to us both. We have been together for a year and a half now, and are hoping to get married (although we have different religious backgrounds and therefore both our families don't really approve).

Selena, or anyone who is willing to help, can you please tell me if we have any planets that are squared or in conjunct (umm, I am new to this and would appreciate any input)

Thanks all

Me:
Sun Pisces
Moon Leo
Mercury Aquarius
Venus Aquarius
Venus is technically near the end of house 12 and is interpreted in house 1.
Mars Libra
Jupiter Scorpio
Saturn Libra
Uranus Sagittarius
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto Libra
True Node Cancer

House positions
Ascendant Aquarius
2nd House Pisces
3rd House Aries
Imum Coeli Taurus
5th House Gemini
6th House Cancer
Descendant Leo
8th House Virgo
9th House Libra
Medium Coeli Scorpio
11th House Sagittarius
12th House Capricorn

Him:
Sun Cancer

Moon Aries
Mercury Cancer
Venus Gemini
Mars Virgo 0
Jupiter Virgo
Saturn Virgo 0
Uranus Scorpio
Neptune Sagittarius 0
Pluto Libra 0
True Node Leo

ASCENDANT/ Virgo
RISING SIGN