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starflower
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posted May 14, 2006 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just saw these mentioned in a thread below. Unfortunately the board search function is not working for me, and I would like some more info about them.

I just ran a chart and although there was no contact between the two asteroids, I did notice that the male's Valentine is conjunct her Sun and Venus and opposite her moon.
Any relevance or do they have to have a contact between the asteroids only to be important?

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shop22much
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posted May 14, 2006 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shop22much     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From a post from Iqhunk:

IQHUNK: Asteroid Valentine making a double whammy to Venus, Mars, Pluto, Neptune or True Node.


I wish I could find the other post on it....but I think the aspect you have is significant.
Hopefully someone else can find it or has it bookmarked.
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give me more Love, or more disdain;
the torrid, or the frozen zone
bring equal ease unto my paine:
the temperate affords me none;
either extreme, of love or hate,
is sweeter than a calme estate

- thomas carew " mediocrity in love rejected"

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Alisa
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posted May 14, 2006 02:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amor is very significant in my own experience. However, Amor is not sexual planet like Venus.

Iqhunk knows more information regarding Valentine. He mentioned it last month in a post. Iqhunk, if you can give some insight, we would be really appreciated...

I cannot use search function too. Can anyone give us some help, please?

Alisa

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Lynx
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posted May 14, 2006 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Amor square my N. Node, Sun, opposite Saturn and Pluto. Makes a Grand Cross.

Valentine is square my moon and trine my N. Node.

I feel so positive about my lovelife. Not.

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Kamilla
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posted May 14, 2006 11:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get most of my charts on astro.com. However, I wasn't able to find either one of these asteroids. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thank you.

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Lynx
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posted May 14, 2006 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go to the free section, then extended chart selection. Near the bottom, there's an options for asteriods. You have to look it up on the provided list, then input the asteriod's #.

I use Zet 8, which has a plugin for asteriods.

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Green Fairy
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posted May 15, 2006 02:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to know what Valentine in Scorpio in a composite chart could mean

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Kamilla
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posted May 15, 2006 02:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lynx

Thank you so much! I found it. Now I just have to figure out how to read the chart

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posted May 15, 2006 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Type in 447, 1221, 4386 This will give you Valentine, Amor, Lust

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starflower
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posted May 15, 2006 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok so does anyone know what role these asteroids play? And what contacts you need for beneficial aspects?

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Iqhunk
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posted May 16, 2006 09:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Valentine conjunct True Node double whammy with the love of my life. We have so many negative synastry aspects but this one placement seems to be erasing their effect.

Additionally her Ascendant at 13.37 Capricorn conjuncts my Asteroid Karma at 13.37 Capricorn. Look at the conjunction that is accurate to the last minute of her birth.

We have good Amor placements too. Thats why I am very confident about these Asteroids aspecting the True Node and personal planets like Venus-Mars.

Give me some time, I will try to list as many possibilities about these Asteroids.

For instance, Composite Valentine in 8th House could mean love for each other will be expressed through passionate sex. I think this is a very fortunate placement

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13anshee
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posted May 16, 2006 09:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iqhunk can i email you my chart, i have no idea what it means, but i know you're a master of astrology so i'd appreciate it if you could find the time pretty pwease ^_^

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starflower
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posted May 16, 2006 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks IQhunk, look forward to you getting back to us on this one. I'm struggling to find info about it. Have now checked again the chart I referred to at the top of the thread and have found the following:

Composite
Both Am and Val conjunction on Chiron
Both Am and Val OPPOSITION on Pluto
Both Am and Val Trine on Neptune

No sun or venus contacts in the composite

Synastry
Her Amor sextile his Sun

His Valentine conjunct her Sun, Venus, and Saturn (very tight conjuction)
His Valentine is opposite her Moon

Not sure of the implications here, but would think there may be some kind of Karma going on with the Pluto and Saturn stuff? Or maybe that is not relevant.

Thanks again IQhunk!

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Green Fairy
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posted May 16, 2006 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you IQhunk sounds great

Furthermore,from my composite chart these came up:

Lust sextile Neptune
Lust conjunction Pluto
Amor sesquiquadrature Mercury
Amor conjunction Saturn
Valentine opposition Mercury
Valentine opposition Chiron
Ascendant conjunction Amor
Midheaven square Lust
Midheaven trine Valentine

Also Lust and Amor are both in Libra
(29 and 18 degrees each)

and i got no idea what could they mean

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Green Fairy
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posted May 16, 2006 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
:double post:

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Cardinalgal
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posted May 16, 2006 03:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does it mean if your Valentine is conjunct your partner's Pluto and your Chiron is conjunct their Amor?

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Lynx
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posted May 16, 2006 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So this wont affect my natals at all?

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nove731
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posted May 16, 2006 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does it mean if your Valentine is opposite someone's Amor?

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13anshee
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posted May 16, 2006 08:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
er, looks like you've got your hands full iq
i'll find out by my elf ^_^

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Iqhunk
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posted May 16, 2006 08:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi 13anshee,
I already studied your chart in detail for the asteroids, so I will definitely look it up for the basics. Basics do not take much time. What you can do is learn the basics from Tim Wilson's website: http://geocities.com/wilsontctc/Step_1_Inner_and_outer_focus.htm

Then read about every planet in house or sign in http://www.astrology-numerology.com/

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Iqhunk
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posted May 16, 2006 08:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lynx, Asteroids have a subtle effect. The more you evolve, the more you feel their effect as a focused expression fo your natals. The common man who does not care about spirituality will not feel much of any asteroids, he would be largely governed by the personal planets and Saturn.

CardinalGal wrote
<<What does it mean if your Valentine is conjunct your partner's Pluto and your Chiron is conjunct their Amor>>
Valentine conjunct Pluto means obsessive and passionate love that can even cause wars. Think of Menelaus, Helen and the Trojan War.

Chiron conj Amor means a love that knows how to wound and also how to heal the Soul.

Nove wrote:
<<What does it mean if your Valentine is opposite someone's Amor? >>
This means a conflict on loving the person as a spouse as opposed to loving the person in general. The conflict could manifest as dislike depending on other planetary aspects.

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Lynx
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posted May 16, 2006 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, i know LQ, it just seemed that these asteriods are being used exclusively for composite/synastry. I feel overwhelmed by all of this and dont quite understand how you guys know so much about asteriods.

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Alisa
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posted May 17, 2006 06:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk

What are the difference between Valentine and Venus in terms of "kind of love"? From my experience, Amor make the person love deeper than Venus. Anyone ever check this out?

I looked at synastry of my friends who have '"love of life". I found that they would have Amor aspect another person planet.

Alisa

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starflower
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posted May 17, 2006 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQHunk, hi there, if you get back to this thread can you give me some advice please? I was the person who started the thread but my questions seem to have been lost in the crowd

Copied from above:

Composite
Both Am and Val conjunction on Chiron
Both Am and Val OPPOSITION on Pluto
Both Am and Val Trine on Neptune

No sun or venus contacts in the composite

Synastry
Her Amor sextile his Sun

His Valentine conjunct her Sun, Venus, and Saturn (very tight conjuction)
His Valentine is opposite her Moon

Thanks!

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Iqhunk
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posted May 17, 2006 07:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alisa,
I agree with you 100%.
Venus is generic and governs so many things like feelings towards love, cash, luxuries, sense of beauty, charm and so on.
Amor focuses only on the Energy of Love. This is the advantage of asteroids, they show us the exact focus of a particular emotion or feature.

As a test, just see if any chart has AMOR conjunct a planet. That person would love those things ruled by the planet.

example: AMOR conjunct Mars person would love physical sports/eenrgy/arguments
AMOR conjunct Venus person would love beauty, money, luxury.
AMOR conjunct Saturn person would love authority, rigidity, structures and long term ambitions.
AMOR conjunct Pluto person would love sex, speculations, dictatorship, obsessions and deep emotions.
AMOR conjunct Mercury would love playing with words, data, facts and being cerebral.
AMOR conjunct Jupiter person would love religion and travel.

Coming to asteroids, AMOR conjunct say LUST person will definitely love sex. AMOR conjunct GOLD would love gold/jewellery and so on.

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