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scorplover
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posted July 24, 2006 06:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can anyone tell me if, in their experience, cancerian men are spiteful and selfish?? i have had a really horrible, almost schizophrenic experience, with one who has been unbelievably childish, mean and nasty - saying some unforgiveable things. Just wondered. i am scorpio, therefore v. sensitive. i thought he was sensitive too, obviously not..... thanks

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Venus De Milo
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posted July 24, 2006 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hhmmm. I don't know if I would qualify them all as spiteful and selfish outright, but I know that when you hurt a Cancer they bite back really hard. It's a reaction BECAUSE they are so sensitive.

My experience with Cancer men is that they are the kindest, most sensitive creatures with those they love. If you are not in their circle or if they feel hurt by you... THEN WATCH OUT.

Their actions may come off as spiteful and selfish, but it comes from a place of extreme vulnerability, sensitivity and so... over zealous defensiveness and yes... SPITE.

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 24, 2006 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah venus is right, we only bite when we've been bitten. So therefore, he probably is very sensitive.

I have an aries mars, and while I'm introverted, I do have a temper that goes off like a firecracker. I be leaving some fools stunned with the ishh that comes out of my mouth. But with me,it's only to people that deserve it.(Backstabbers, users, etc.) I would never hurt a loved one like that.

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posted July 24, 2006 10:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks venus and dulce for your replies. i think i did hurt him yes, but that was months ago and it was a mistake i made which we've since vaguely talked about. Since then he's hurt me far worse. I say almost schizophrenic, cos when we have been together and intimate, it has been great, but then he backs off away and comes back vicious. I don't understand it. He is essentially a sweet person, but I think he has issues and stuff and when he drinks he behaves badly and i wonder which are his 'true' colours???

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 24, 2006 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Months ago? Oh no, you guys should have put everything on the table back then. If you both ahd done that, then there would be none of this resentment. This is common mistake among cancer-scorpio couples (I'm with a scorpio myself). Even so, he's acting very childish and you should let him know that his behavior is unacceptable.

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fayte.m
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posted July 24, 2006 12:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread might help you out. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/001739.html

Venus De Milo
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My experience with Cancer men is that they are the kindest, most sensitive creatures with those they love.

scorplover
Drinking heavily is not a good thing for the Cancerian male. I personally lost a brother-in-law and a good friend both under age 35 who literally drank themselves to death. Also if you hurt him and it was unjustified, he may not be able to let it go.

Please read that thread mentioned, it might help you alot.

NEVER play jealousy games or head games on a Cancerian. Never tease them about being sensitive!
I have been with mine for almost 9 years and cannot imagine a more perfect mate for me.
But only folks secure in their own self worth can easily be with a Cancerian I feel. If you have issues and do not love YOU; then he may not be the one for you.

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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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luna*tic12
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posted July 24, 2006 01:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alot of cancer men i know have issues.
I figure it's because it's very difficult to be driven by a feminine nature in a society where gender roles are so rigidly defined. it's the WOMANs job to be emotional, and when a man takes that on, it's not 'socially acceptable'.

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fayte.m
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posted July 24, 2006 02:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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in a society where gender roles are so rigidly defined. it's the WOMANs job to be emotional, and when a man takes that on, it's not 'socially acceptable'.


>>>EXACTLY!
And if a woman NEEDS a dominating macho partner to make her feel worthy, then a Cancerian is not for her. She needs to find out why she cannot love herself and is so demanding that a man gives her it all. In my experience a Cancerian wants a person who loves themselves and can stand on their own two feet. Yes they are very emotionally supportive, but it works both ways. I have seen women actually berate and belittle a man who cries at certain movies or likes getting flowers and candy and courted. Drop the freaking gender sterotypes with the Cancerian male. Be real people, not sterotypical gender conformists. Society made the gender bigoted roles that hurt real men with real feelings. Society has put alot of pressure on men to be bedrocks and then wonder why so many self destruct. I see women being often the guilty parties here. Too many want a Mr.Macho to do everything for them, pay for everything, make the first moves, give her all the compliments and then expect him to be gentle, caring and sensitive too? But, oh boy, if he is feeling sad or emotional, I see too often the woman calling him the pu$sy or wuss! I saw a guy who was so moved at a movie he cried and the b!tch with him berated him publically for humiliating her! I saw this crap! I so wanted to slap that little miss princess foo foo prissy realy hard! But instead she stomped out and I offered him a kleenex and talked to him about how great the movie was.
I invited him out to coffee and told him he should dump the selfish cold hearted little b!tch. Well, happy outcome eventually..... now he is years later with a woman who does not treat him like crap for being sensitive.
Guys need to stand up and demand the right to emotional equality too!

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~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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Glaucus
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posted July 24, 2006 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

fayte,

I so much agree.

I have always had problems because I am a male with ultrasensitive,emotional nature.
A lot of people have mistakened me for being gay,weak,etc. because of that crap. I feel that rejected by a lot of women because of that too.

I often get mistakened for being gay because of my adrogenous
looks/voice. People in yahoo chatrooms call me "faggot" and accuse me
of doing homosexual stuff,and they do it in front of a lot of people in
chatroom,and it hurts and embarasses me. They tell me that I am gay
because I sound like a female. It makes me furious that I start yelling
at them. The thing is that I am not even gay, andI l really like an
Aries Sun,Scorpio Moon,Pisces Rising gal a lot, and she likes me a lot
too. We're romantically interested in each other.

I hate when ignorant people assume that I am gay because I don't fit
the male stereotype with my highly sensitive,emotional,feminine nature. This has happened since high school.

It's this crap that is one of the reasons that I have low self
esteem,insecurity that has led to depression and anxiety.


here are my indicators for my highly feminine,sensitive,emotional
nature,and sweet sounding communications and being misunderstood for
it.

Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio
Moon in Pisces square Neptune
Sun trine Moon
Mercury parallel Neptune
Venus parallel Neptune
Venus in 3rd
Neptune in 3rd
Mercury conjunct Venus
Mercury parallel Venus

Sun conjunct true Black Moon Lilith
Mercury parallel true Black Moon Lilith
Venus parallel true Black Moon Lilith

Raymond

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Glaucus
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posted July 24, 2006 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

what do you mean by being caring and sensitive?

Sensitive means responsiveness or reaction to external stimuli. That has do with being affected by environment good/bad

I think people often misuse the word,sensitive for consideration,kindness,warmth,and
understanding

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Glaucus
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posted July 24, 2006 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Highly Sensitive Person:
How To Thrive When The World Overwhelms You
by Elaine N. Aron, Ph.D.

Over 133,000 copies in print
San Francisco Chronicle #1 bestseller
Reissued for 1999 with a new preface by the author

cover of The Highly Sensitive PersonIn her national bestseller, The Highly Sensitive Person: How to Thrive When the World Overwhelms You, author Elaine Aron defines a distinct personality trait that affects as many as one out of every five people. According to Dr. Aron's definition, the Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) has a sensitive nervous system, is aware of subtleties in his/her surroundings, and is more easily overwhelmed when in a highly stimulating environment. Additionally, she says, the success of The Highly Sensitive Person is cause for celebration: "We've done it ourselves. And not surprisingly, since we are 15 to 20 percent of the population - that's fifty million in the United States. Highly sensitive people are real, we exist, and we've proven it. That alone is something to celebrate."

Another cause for Aron and her fellow HSPs to celebrate is the acceptance into mainstream psychology of the HSP personality trait. After numerous in-depth interviews, as well as surveys of over one thousand people, Dr. Aron's findings have been published in Counseling Today, Counseling and Human Development, and the prestigious Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

Elaine Aron has a doctoral degree in clinical psychology and a thriving psychotherapy practice. She is the first therapist to tell HSPs how to identify their trait and make the most of it in everyday situations. Highly Sensitive People have an uncommonly sensitive nervous system - a normal occurrence, according to Aron. "About 15 to 20 percent of the population have this trait. It means you are aware of subtleties in your surroundings, a great advantage in many situations. It also means you are more easily overwhelmed when you have been out in a highly stimulating environment for too long, bombarded by sights and sounds until you are exhausted." An HSP herself, Aron reassures other Highly Sensitives that they are quite normal. Their trait is not a flaw or a syndrome, nor is it a reason to brag. It is an asset they can learn to use and protect.

In defining the Highly Sensitive Person, Dr. Aron provides examples of characteristic behaviors, and these are reflected in the questions she typically asks patients or interview subjects:

* Are you easily overwhelmed by such things as bright lights, strong smells, coarse fabrics, or sirens nearby?
* Do you get rattled when you have a lot to do in a short amount of time?
* Do you make a point of avoiding violent movies and TV shows?
* Do you need to withdraw during busy days, into bed or a darkened room or some other place where you can have privacy and relief from the situation?
* Do you make it a high priority to arrange your life to avoid upsetting or overwhelming situations?
* Do you notice or enjoy delicate or fine scents, tastes, sounds, or works of art?
* Do you have a rich and complex inner life?
* When you were a child, did your parents or teachers see you as sensitive or shy?

Dr. Aron explains that in the past HSPs have been called "shy," "timid," "inhibited," or "introverted," but these labels completely miss the nature of the trait. Thirty percent of HSPs are actually extraverts. HSPs only appear inhibited because they are so aware of all the possibilities in a situation. They pause before acting, reflecting on their past experiences. If these were mostly bad experiences, then yes, they will be truly shy. But in a culture that prefers confident, "bold" extraverts, it is harmful as well as mistaken to stigmatize all HSPs as shy when many are not. InThe Highly Sensitive Person, Dr. Aron reframes these stereotyping words and their common application to the HSP in a more positive light and helps HSPs use and view these aspects of their personality as strengths rather than weaknesses.

Sensitivity is anything but a flaw. Many HSPs are often unusually creative and productive workers, attentive and thoughtful partners, and intellectually gifted individuals. According to Dr. Aron, HSPs could contribute much more to society if they received the right kind of attention - and her national bestseller proves that this 15 to 20 percent of the population is eager to get off on the right foot in asserting their unique personality trait.

http://www.hsperson.com/pages/hsp.htm

I have the books. I am highly sensitive in every way too.

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fayte.m
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posted July 24, 2006 02:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus
Nice to meet you!

Yes sensitive fellows do often get called or thought of as gay. Funny thing is most are not gay! Most of my closest friends however are gay. Or at least "family" friendly. But with most, you would not know by hearing them or looking at them. They do not fit the gay sterotype even though they are gay.

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Sensitive means responsiveness or reaction to external stimuli. That has do with being affected by environment good/bad
>>>>I agree! It is how one reacts to the world around them. It can be both emotional and physical stimuli.
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I think people often misuse the word,sensitive for consideration,kindness,warmth,and
understanding
>>>Again, a way of being and reacting to things that reflects how one treats others because it comes from the heart.
Here are some dictionary interpretations of "sensitive".
Definition of sensitive (adjective)
forms: more sensitive; most sensitive
easily affected by outside operations or influences

Sensitive \Sen"si*tive\, a. [F. sensitif. See Sense.]

1. Having sense of feeling; possessing or exhibiting the capacity of receiving impressions from external objects; as, a sensitive soul.

2. Having quick and acute sensibility, either to the action of external objects, or to impressions upon the mind and feelings; highly susceptible; easily and acutely affected.

Sensitive: New Age Dictionary on Sensitive


Sensitive

A person who frequently demonstrates extrasen-sory gifts such as clairvoyance, telepathy, or precognition.

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~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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fayte.m
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posted July 24, 2006 03:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will have to get those books!
Thank you!
You sound wonderful to me!

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~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 24, 2006 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Luna*tic, I've noticed that too. Being a cancer woman, I can only imagine what a cancer man has to deal with. Well, I guess I could relate to them because I don't like to cry in front of others, but that's more because I'm a control freak. That's not to say I can't stand to see emotions in other people (in fact it touches me, if you can believe that). It's just that with me, I equate crying in front of others to losing control. I usually cry by myself unless the feeling is overwhelming.


And Fayte, I certainly agree with you on the Macho man part. I recently went to a site where there was a messageboard for Cancers and with every woman dating a cancer man it was the saaame story. "What am I gonna do with him" or "I can't figure him out, why won't he come after me". And it agravates me to no end because they find every fault with him and don't look at themselves. Like, if you need to be chased 24/7, then maybe you should look elsewhere because that type of stuff is exhausting to us. And, it's a waste of time.

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fayte.m
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posted July 24, 2006 05:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dulce Luna
Thank You!
Cancerian men appreciate strong women. Not domineering, but women who are sure of themeselves and do not need a man to validate their self worth. They do not need him to be always the strong one. It becomes a lovely balance when both are on the same wavelength. My Cancerian is there when I really need him, as often my being disabled is a thing requiring help in many ways, some very personal. But I have never even met a woman who can be so caring and nurturing as the Cancerian man when he is allowed to be so. But some would call that wussy. Well when I need help I certainly cannot imagine a typical macho man helping me. I do not consider my beloved wussy at all. He can cook when I cannot and help me bathe and so forth. He is not into sports. Does that make him less a man? Hell no! Believe me! He is all man!
If someone is desiring a mate who will stay by them in sickness and health and cry and laugh with them, and not be afraid to be himself as long as you let him and you be yourself, no games...
Like I said, the Cancerian man is the best I can imagine!
But then again I am November 3rd. Scorpio and he is June 27th. Cancerian. I am also 15 years older, so all that may be factors to our great loving relationship.
A Cancerian mate is not for everyone.
If you need chased and mooned over and to be his little princess, find someone else. He does not want you to be his trophy, nor he yours. He does not want to be your slave nor you his.
With a Cancerian male you get what you give, once he trusts you. But many Cancerian males are shy, because often they were treated badly when younger, as Glaucus said, and called wussy and all. It may take him awhile to really believe a woman is not playing with his heart and mind. Once you expect macho sterotypical behaviour out of him you may have no chance with him. If you hurt him, and he did not deserve it, getting back into his trust zone may be impossible. He will not waste your or his time on a potential that looks like it will not work in the long run. You want an idle fling? A summer romance of unrealistic fantasy? You want someone who will jump right in with both feet and want to bed you ASAP.....Well then go find someone else. Cancerians usually take love very very very seriously.


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~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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celticfyre
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posted July 24, 2006 08:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fayte is so right!!! Is my Crab a wuss???certainly not!!!He is kind, gentle, and very domesticated He can cook clean do the wash , handy around the house, creative well read loves history, is there for me when I need him to be (if he isn't then I probably don't really need him at the time and he knows it) but he never has not been there when I have needed him. He's a firefighter of the first order --is the first one to help anyone in need or protect the ones he loves. He's actually ruined me for anyone else and that is the truth --he's the one I want for now and always...I just have to let him come to that conclusion for himself in his own time. Patience is the virtue needed if you love a Crab

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fayte.m
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posted July 25, 2006 12:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
celticfyre
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"Patience is the virtue needed if you love a Crab"
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He's actually ruined me for anyone else and that is the truth --he's the one I want for now and always...

Totally true!
And TOTALLY worth it I feel!
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~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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posted July 30, 2006 10:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus -

Please tell me you've seen me post about that book here before. It is the one book I've suggested here more than any other book!!

Preach!

It's amazing. Changes your life.

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