posted July 31, 2006 08:36 AM              

I find that Astrology can be used to explain a lot of things after the fact. But in the end, we are all blessed with Free Will.

Badly aspected planets in a person's chart should not be used as an excuse for bad behavior. It should be used the exact opposite way... to "correct/fix" an inclination towards a bad behavior.

posted July 31, 2006 11:02 AM              

These types of comments will just keep repeating themselves in all of these threads. Don't you understand that if you write it once thats all people need to see???

posted July 31, 2006 12:36 PM              

Just like some topics I and others don't answer b/c it doesn't appeal to us, or in this case, doesn't go w/ the belief system, then just don't answer this at all. Simple as that.

Arnicka.....thanks for helping me understand more about these "selfish" aspects (and quotations to symbolize seemingly selfish...if u hadn't noticed).

posted July 31, 2006 12:51 PM            

I have 7 planets in the first 4 houses.

I am not a very selfish type.

I actually have a bucket chart.

Saturn is the only planet in my southern hemisphere. It is my most elevated planet with it being in my 9th house conjunct the Midheaven.

However,due to the discovery of 2003 UB313 and finding that it's in my 8th house. I actually have 2 planets in my southern hemisphere.

You can check out my chart.

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posted July 31, 2006 12:54 PM            

hey I can answer if I want. I am entitled to express my beliefs,opinions,and views just like everybody else. It doesn't matter if I do or don't like the posts.

If you don't like that,

posted July 31, 2006 12:57 PM            

And if I don't like a thread I don't post lighten up ppl...

posted July 31, 2006 01:14 PM            

I can attest to having an active Saturn in my chart. I think Saturn gets a bad rap personally. Saturn's in my 1st House (Gemini) and it's my only retrograde planet. It opposes Mercury and Venus, and is the single planet on the left side of my chart. All the rest of the planets are between the 5th and 8th. My Sun is Capricorn as well.

I'll tell you honestly that I can be a mixture of things, which at times does include selfishness. Selfishness isn't the rule, though, and is often the exception. My Virgo Moon enjoys being of service as does my Aquarius MC. I am and have been taken advantage of for much of my life. I'm too easy going.

I'm also a Rat in Chinese astrology, which is supposed to indicate a large degree of self-interest.

Recently, while reading about my Capricorn NN, I came to realize that part of dealing with Cancer South Node is removing the emotions we can get stuck in: fear, anger, guilt and insecurity. How do you do that? Increase your self-respect. By acting nobly in all situations, you remove the trap of falling into those self-loathing emotions.

posted July 31, 2006 01:51 PM              

My sister is married to an Aries Sun Venus with Pisces Moon Mars and he is very emotional, very demanding yet very generous and kind. I also don't buy the notion that Aries as the 1st planet is the most selfish and Pisces the least. Sorry I grew up with a Pisces parent who I adore and love unequivocally but he lived in his own world then and lives in his own world now and to me that equates to an intense level of selfishness in the same way that the Aries I grew up with while sunny and generous had to be always telling, doing, moving, speaking FIRST. LOL.

posted July 31, 2006 02:03 PM            

I am introverted

my Myers Briggs personality profile is INFX X= combo of F and P

That stands for

Introverted Intuitive Feeling Mixed type Perceiver/Judge

another thing too.....beware of shy folks. A lot of them can keep to themselves too. That doesn't mean that they are selfish.
I am very shy. Also some shy people get mistakened for being stuck up. My mom told me that her own shyness was mistakened for being stuck up.

posted July 31, 2006 02:09 PM              

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Please don't mix up introversion with selfishness. They are not the same. I noticed that a lot of introverts are mistakened for being selfish

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posted July 31, 2006 02:10 PM            

I was referring to what LilyGirl said. I was just informing others about introverts and shy people could be mistakened for being selfish.

posted July 31, 2006 02:27 PM              

What I am saying is human beings needn't run around saying I'm NOT selfish! I'm NOT selfish! But he is , she is!!! If you are a human being you can be and will be selfish at one time or another. Those who protest it usually are particularly so.

On the matter of shyness I would also say that it's one thing to be "shy" and an "introvert" with the outside world it's another thing to remain that way constantly even with loved ones and those you live with. If you cannot open up to your own children and wife it is emotionally problematic for them and their sense of well being and security. Is that selfish? No but it can be inadvertently quite harmful. I was a child of such a person and the child is constantly called upon to understand the sensitivity and introverted-ness of the adult.

And as I said before what you might find selfish I might not find selfish at all and vice versa. For example my sister's spouse accused her the other night of being "selfish" because she does not like to share dishes at a Chinese restaurant and his family grew up doing that. I do the same as he does but when my sis and I eat Thai or Chinese we order our own dishes. I know she does not want to see someone else in her dish. Do I think that's selfish, no. I could care less. Flipside, my younger sister misses alot of family events (some would say important ones, baptisms, reunions etc) because she is shy and doesn't like that sort of thing. Half the family thinks she is rabidly selfish because she cares more about her comfort then the comfort she gives the older relatives by appearing. The other half thinks that's her perogative, and how she is. My feeling is cool that's the way she is though she might actually try looking at the grandparents' feelings too. I never buy the notion that any of us are more precious than others. Everyone has hearts and hurts and needs be they flaming loud extroverted or mousey introverted.

posted July 31, 2006 02:52 PM            

I understand what you are saying,and I agree.

I feel that it's more about that different temperaments can confuse others and be misunderstood. many Highly sensitive water types could be mistakened for being selfish by many strong air types because they can seem so self absorbed, and take things too personally. many Highly detached air types could be mistakened for being selfish by many strong air types because they can seem to less affected by the feelings,emotions of others as well as analyze the feelings of the water types too much. many Extraverts might seem selfish to many introverts for being so socializing and seeming like they getting so much attention. many Introverts might seem selfish to many extraverts because they tend to stay to themselves and not socialize much.

It really depends on the person.

Perceptions vary in people. Therefore, we will have different beliefs,views about things. What pleases on person will displease another and vice versa.

Another thing too is that many people with learning disabilities,AD/HD,autism,and Aspergers have problems with being social due to their atypical neurology that affects how they process information and how they perceive things. Aspergers,Autistics tend to have problems with understanding emotional/social cues.

There are many undiagnosed people with those conditions too,and so they can definitely be misunderstood and they can be mistakened for mentally ill.

posted July 31, 2006 03:35 PM              

I am so sorry if my posts offended anyone. I really do not mean to.

I wasn't pointing fingers at all. Just a general comment. Sorry.

Miss Muffet

posted July 31, 2006 03:52 PM            

I just wanted to let everybody know that I understand your viewpoints. I was just expressing my viewpoints too.

I was not offended by anybody here.

I am very sorry if people thought they offended me. I feel bad about making others feel bad that they should apologize. I don't mean to make others feel uncomfortable.

I apologize

I really like this forum. I love Astrology,and I am very passionate about it. I like helping people with Astrology.

I am very passionate about learning disabilities,mental illness stuff and helping others understand those things too.

I enjoy learning things from others too. I feel that we can all learn from each other.

I know that I can be too passionate,intense,sensitive to a fault which is indicated by my Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio along with my Moon conj Mars,Venus square Mars,Pisces Moon square Neptune,and Moon quincunx Pluto. I need to watch that. I prefer to make friends here and not enemies.
...especially when we all share Astrology in common.

posted July 31, 2006 04:39 PM              

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They say that if someone's planets are predominantly in the first 4 houses of their chart, they may be focused more on themselves than others.

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