posted July 30, 2006 06:31 PM              

I don't think selfishness is caused by any one planet forming any aspect to any other or being in any particular sign - instead it depends on how much a person lets their ego determing their goals for them. That said, charts strong in neptune will show ability to easily overcome that, but again, absence of that does not mean the person will be necessarily selfish.

-jk

posted July 30, 2006 07:05 PM            

Jk, I don't see Capricorn as a selfish sign, since it's transpersonal.. they would tend to focus on the world at large more so than themselves. I don’t know any selfish Caps.

posted July 30, 2006 07:20 PM              

Though I do know of highly selfish people in my family....one is a pisces with jupiter conj pluto and square to saturn. He is a complete control freak and is a very very mean person. There are influences in this man's chart to steam roll over his soft pisces sun.

My father and his current wife are.
June 14, 1952 Regina, Sk
May 10, 1958 Hong Kong, China

posted July 30, 2006 07:52 PM              

My being reserved could seem that way...
So I may appear as if I keep things to myself and as a person that doesn't open up easily....which is true for the most part. I have Venus in 12th Opposite Saturn, Saturn Opposition Asc., and Sun in 12th, as well as other placements that would seem a bit self-centered to others.

posted July 30, 2006 08:28 PM            

Super super emotional and whiny and always "what about me?"... and the Aries Moon makes everything always all about them. This person is a good manipulator too, self-admitted!

posted July 30, 2006 08:47 PM              

Sun in Taurus/12th
Moon in Scorpio/6th
Mercury in Taurus/12th
Venus in Gemini/12th
Jupiter in Taurus/12th
Mars in Aquarius/10th
Saturn in Capricorn/6th
Uranus in Capricorn/6th
Neptune in Capricorn/7th
Pluto in Scorpio/6th

Cancer on 1st through 3rd house cusp

posted July 30, 2006 09:13 PM            

I find Taureans to be not so much.

posted July 30, 2006 09:40 PM            

Astrology doesn't work that way.

You cannot see if a person is moral or immoral in regards to a chart.

Also like somebody said, a person who seems selfish might just be misunderstand and actually be the opposite.

Somebody raised how a person with strong water could seem selfish because of caring about their emotional needs a lot.

There are a lot of highly sensitive people who stay to themselves a lot because they need time alone to recuperate from absorbing stuff when they are around a lot of people. A lot of highly sensitive people can find being around others very overwhelming.

Also..when a person is overstimulated,they can at times tend to lose their awareness of others.

You also have to understand that some people are very moody. If you catch them on a wrong day,they can be so so irritable that they come across as being selfish when they are not.

A lot of people that are abused can come across as being selfish to protect themselves even though they could actually be very compassionate types.

posted July 30, 2006 09:52 PM              

quote:

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Egoism and Selfishness are essentially exaggeration of our instinct of self-preservation and of the individualizing principle. These probably come respectively under Cancer and Aries, but the faults of egoism and selfishness can hardly be ascribed to one sign more than to another; they occur in all of them, except where the ego is of a relatively high type. [...]

In a very general sense it may be said:
Aries is usually egoistic, but not necessarily by any means selfish.
Taurus is good-natured, but selfish and lazy.
Gemini is egoistic, but also often selfish, frequently in a rather childish way.
Cancer is as a rule neither one not the other, although Saturn in affliction with the Moon is often very mean.
Leo is, in good types, very unselfish, affectionate, and ready to help others; but it is frequently egoistic in the extreme.
Virgo is self-centered.
Libra is often lazy, and dislikes contact with the sadder aspects of life, but it is distinctly unegoistic.
Scorpio goes to extremes, but is usually devotedly selfless towards its special idols.
Sagittarius is generous with material help, but often careless of others and slapdash in its manner.
Capricorn acts from principle rather than from the heart; it is self-protective, and is seldom willing to do more for others than is strictly due to them.
Aquarius is unselfish in the service of causes and ideals, rather than individuals; it is not egoistic, but in present-day types the Saturnian rulership often causes a good deal of selfishness; in good types, the reverse is true.
Pisces is good-natured and as a rule far from selfish; it can, however, show a certain amount of egoism in its liking for preaching at others.

Turning to the planets, afflictions to the Lights or to Mercury are always liable to produce an over-accentuation of the individualist tendency. Mars and Uranus tend to self-assertion and extreme independence; Saturn narrows the sympathies and general outlook; hence the Moon or Mercury afflicted by Saturn is a common feature in the nativities of tyrants and absolute monarchs.

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Theres also something in --The Rulership Book-- stating on pg 129 that selfishness is under the domain of Saturn.

posted July 30, 2006 11:39 PM            

I know a woman with Sun-Venus oppose Saturn,and she's not selfish. A matter of fact, she's very selfless. People often take advantage of her. She worked as daycare/preschool teacher of children with special needs.

She has Neptune in 1st conjunct Ascendant along with Moon in Pisces. She has Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Aquarius with their dispositor Uranus in Scorpio in 11th.

I have highly challenged with Saturn with retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th square my Moon in Pisces,oppose my Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in Sagittarius in 3rd for a t-square. I also have Sun quincunx Saturn. I have Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune parallel. I don't consider myself a very selfish person. People have taken advantage of my kind nature. I can be too nice for my own good. I have given free astrology readings to people for years and not expecting anything in return. My mom called me selfish,but it was manipulating me and she didn't like it when I defended myself. She verbally and physically abused me when I was a kid.

My Gal has Sun,Mars in Aries in 1st. She has Moon conjunct Saturn,and Scorpio and that opposes her Mars in Aries. She's not a very selfish type. She cares a lot about her family. She was the one that tried to help others,but she found it to be overwhelming
She has Moon sextile Stationary Neptune which is conjunct her North and Midheaven. She has Mars trine Neptune.

Like I said before, there are no indicators for being selfish.

You just cannot judge a person's attitude,character,and actions by one's chart.

Look at Martin Luther King Jr's Chart. He has Moon square Mars and he has Capricorn Sun.
He wasn't a very selfish person.

posted July 31, 2006 01:32 AM              

Anyway, mars446 - I said saturn because one of its traditional downfalls, negative traits is a lack of sympathy because its focused on getting ahead regardless of where the pieces may fall on others, etc. And any planet adversely aspected would by default be more likely to show the negative traits of said planet or of the sign in which its placed.

posted July 31, 2006 01:45 AM            

We can teach from experience after going to school of hard knocks.

posted July 31, 2006 02:08 AM            

A lot of people can hurt because of those things.

If Astrology was nothing but generalizations,stereotypings and judging people's characters by their charts, I wouldn't be an astrologer at all. It's that simple.

I read a bunch of crap about people with hard Neptune aspects are spacy,delusional,substance abusers,and believe in things too easily.

That's not me. My aspects in my case are more about my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. I am person who doesn't smoke,drink,nor use drugs.

I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio. I am not all about sex. I didn't want to have sex until I got married,and so I remained a virgin until 22 yrs old. I ended up succumbing to peer pressure when I was in the navy. I still don't sleep around. I can't have sex unless I love the woman. I don't go around controlling her others. I don't have power trips.

These are things that I learned from having a dysfunctional parents that were abusive and controlling. I learned from my relative's mistakes.

posted July 31, 2006 02:22 AM            

I wasn't attacking anybody. I was expressing my views,opinions like everybody else is doing.

I just don't think judging a person being selfish by their charts is ethical. This can open can of worms like judging a person's chart if he's abusive,dangerous,and other negative things.