posted August 13, 2006 10:24 AM              

I have had a few in my life and I think I am about to create another one amongst my group of friends (help!). These E-Vampiers also go under the name of "cling-ons" in my creative mind, because being a cling-on is another "symptom" of being an E-Vampire.

They are usually very kind - donīt have anything bad to say about them. Genuinly generous and compassionate and I do like them, but they just do "something" - maybe even subconsciously - that sucks out all the energy and I walk around thinking of WHY I feel like this with them, when there is not anything that I really dislike about their personality - ok, they can get a bit grumpy when in some cases you have decided to say No to something, which almost never happens in my case...I have tried, but change my mind when they go grumpy on me...just canīt do it! But itīs starting to get to me now...

As a Pisces I need my space... I need lots of space! Planning to far ahead stresses me out and the Energy Vampires always tends to plan things for me, because I canīt make up my mind about that trip in 5 weeks time...not for the trip tomorrow morning either ;-) It freaks me out and it stresses me out even more... my energyreserves are just empty after a meeting with one of these people. They are so demanding!

And even though I have a hard time saying No..to anyone...extremely hard, because I donīt want to hurt anyone. I can with some of my friends - but never with the Energy-vampires... itīs like I am hypnotised to just swollow my own wishes and say "yes, of course... sure we will do it" and "the contract" is signed forever...

All "my" cling-ons have had one thing in common - Ascendant in a water sign! Me being a Pisces and Ascendant in Pisces might attract water ascendants-energy-vampire-cling-ons, maybe subconsciously?

Anyone else had any experiences with Energy Vampires? - if yes, any connections with your Ascendant or maybe other things in common?

Best Regards
Skybound_Piscean

posted August 13, 2006 10:53 AM              

I too have the same problem. I'm a Pisces Rising and Neptune has a significant influence in my chart. I thought this is an interesting synchronicity because I posted similar problems I'm have in Universal Codes under the topic about Sylvia Browne.

I just avoid those energy vampires if I can, but I do know what you mean. I have similar experiences and boy, I shudder as I think about it now. Usually I seek protection by hanging out with friends I feel comfortable with. I don't know, maybe to unconsciously share the pain?

posted August 13, 2006 11:43 AM            

Moon in Pisces:

Key issues: Needs a feeling of unity with others and the world. Emotionally experiencing the
spiritual or transpersonal realms.

Key qualities: gentle, imaginative, compassionate; easily moved, swayed, or influenced by
others' need.

You are highly empathetic and sensitive to the atmosphere around you. You merge with others' psychic and emotional energies quite easily and are able to sense and feel their inner state, regardless of what they show or try to present. This may cause you some confusion until you learn to trust your instincts and sensitivities, to discern what is coming from you and what, indeed, is being generated by someone else. You also need to beware of taking on other people's troubles. For instance, if you are with a friend who has a headache, often you will find you get one too. Also, because you feel others' pain you want to remedy it, and you may try to do for them what only they can do for themselves. Rescuing (or wanting to be rescued) is part of your emotional make up and you need to discover when that is wise and when it is not.

You are extremely suggestible and malleable. More forceful individuals or energies can overwhelm you, and you may have learned to cope with this by spending a lot of time alone, away from external input. Dreamy and imaginative, you need periodic escapes, time for reverie, music, listening to your inner voice.

You are predisposed to being passive and receptive, to go with the flow, to avoid
direct confrontation and conflict, to let life take its course rather than nergetically taking life by the horns or forcing things.

Moon Square Neptune:

You are like a psychic or emotional tuning fork, picking up and resonating to the
feeling state and energies of those around you. The development of objectivity, detachment,discernment, clarity, and psychic, emotional, and energetic boundaries is thus essential to your emotional well being. Otherwise you are apt to be dominated by outside forces and probably be very confused! Participating in what are popularity termed "co-dependent relationships" can also arise.

You are easily moved by others' distress and your own emotional idealism, innocence, naiveté, or gullibility. Passivity, evasiveness, escaping into fantasy or addictive, mood altering substances, and self-deception are potential pitfalls on your path. In truth, you do need your hope, your belief, your faith, and some sort of spiritual nourishment on a regular
basis, but need to balance it with realism. Because of your sensitive nature, flower essences and other vibrational remedies are very effective for you.

posted August 13, 2006 12:26 PM              

I was trying to explain this to her last night, you presented it sooooo much better, I will copy, paste and send it to her.....

I think it may help her understand why she was so affected by some rude woman
yesterday. No one could understand why she was so upset, she had to deal with this woman the night before, and then the lady came in yesterday(she is a server at Il Fornaio) daughter lost it, and had to leave...Anyways, thanks!

I too have moon square Neptune, I like your description, the best I've seen thus far.

posted August 13, 2006 12:47 PM              

Are we too vague in our words to make ourselves understood? And maybe too whimpy to deal with someone who gets grumpy if you say no... and even worse someone who get hurt or takes it personally.

I would love to hear any suggestions of how to tackle this... I am really getting fed up with it... and with myself...

posted August 13, 2006 01:25 PM            

I know what you speak of and have spent the better half of my 44 years learning how to deal. I am a Pisces sun/Venus in the 4th, Scorpio rising with Neptune in the 12th in Scorpio and am a horrible "psychic sponge!" I am a RN in an ICU and pick up all kinds of negative energy and have to conciously go home and clear myself.

For me, water has always been the key. I sleep on a water bed, shower or bathe atleast twice daily, drink clear spring water, have a hot tub outside of my bedroom door, get to large bodies of moving water whenever I can. I live 2 1/2 hrs from the gulf coast of Texas and there is where I find the most peace. I, like you, require huge amounts of time alone, to accomplish this clearing process.

Most people do not understand my need for time alone, but those people do not understand me! Those are the people that I avoid in my close persoanl relationships. I have had the life sucked out of me by many individuals in my lifetime and I have spent a good long time ridding myself of toxic individuals. There are times that I actually go into hiding and only deal with my kids and work related encounters!

I do like to get out and enjoy the company of others from time to time, but I have to be very careful of who I am keeping company with and to remember to clear myself when I go home. I tend to make the energy my own if I do not get rid of it!

As far as saying "no", I have been blessed with a high Aqua influence, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars and Mercury in Aqua in the 3rd, so I say "HELL NO!"

It is not easy being such an empath, but it is our birthright, you just have to learn to channel the crap you pick up "out there" and return it to source for healing!!

Sending, Peace, Love and Light,

posted August 13, 2006 02:55 PM              

Hippichick - I do use water too to cleanse the negative energy... I practically live in my bathtub!

Just wish I could tell my friends "Just get it I am a Pisces!"... but only some of my friends have any understanding or respect for my needs - most of them donīt consider astrology worth any consideration.

As you say itīs my birthright being born a Pisces. Hm...that is a good line to use on Energy-Vampires who do know astrology...

When you look at your birth chart you could always find traits or tendencies you donīt like yourself or realize that it could be worth to make a slight change...

I have been quite sucessful with this lazy side of mine - I sure was born with it, but I have changed that...ok, not 100% though...he, he, he...

But there are certain things that you just canīt change. I wouldnīt feel like a whole person, or a happy whole person if I couldnīt have my time alone whenever I need it and decide things without too much planning...itīs just the way it is or just the way I am.

Unlike you I donīt have many influences making me tough enough to stand up for myself, even though I am trying hard to learn this difficult skill . I even got a self-hypnosis download on how to say no... maybe Iīll get back and let you all know how that one is working ... I might not have any friends left by then .. he, he, he...

Thanks for your info!
Skybound

posted August 13, 2006 03:04 PM              

Those traits you mention are also symptoms of an Energy Vampire for sure... although I donīt mind those sides of them if it doesnīt get too much of it.

I acctually love helping others and to listen and giving help to solve whaterver can be solved... as long as they donīt take it as a "signed contract" for eternal friendship and overtaking the management of me and my life... or at least let me plan it myself however I want it and whenever....

I guess my Energy-Vampires are E-V "lights" in that regard. They donīt "use" me... they are just too overwhelming and invade my space a bit too often and too much...

Take Care
Skybound

posted August 14, 2006 10:25 AM              

Self-absorbed people love me. If I like someone I'll do anything for them... but they just take and take and take... never even thinking that yes, it does sometimes take forethought and effort on my part to please them.

I've been around some highly negative types. It got so bad that they just completely sucked the optimism out of me... sent me into a depression... caused me to view the world with a negative light...

Ugh. I finally just had to tell them to get over themselves. Rude... I know. But do they really realize (or care) how they affect others?

If a person is having a bad time, day, etc. Fine. I can completely understand... but when it's all of the time. Eeesshhh

It seems that if they're not happy, they can't stand for you to be... so they come off as negative as possible until you're unhappy then their personality shifts to become more optimistic, leaving me depressed. Do they want to weaken others so they feel like the one with all of the power?

posted August 14, 2006 10:31 AM              

It's odd but true.

Once I allow myself to become emotionally drained and I shut-down (I have to after a while)... they get upset and it seems like all of their energy fades with mine.

Even before I allow myself to become drained, I can't seem to muster up a lot of my optimistic, high energy... it's weird really... sort of feels like they're blocking it.

Based from the comment made, is it possibly that they're really not blocking it, they're just sucking it out of me? Using it for their own self-esteem/sense of happiness?

posted August 14, 2006 10:33 AM            

Yeah...I can see that. You have strong water though. That indicates being a highly empathic type.

Also..do you know if you have Neptune in aspect to personal points?

posted August 14, 2006 10:42 AM              

I have neptune in my 3rd house.

posted August 14, 2006 11:34 AM            

My hunch was right.

You are like a Piscean with that strong Neptune influence. I did say that strong Neptune influence can be empathic types.

Moon sextile Neptune and Neptune sextile Ascendant are 2 aspects that indicate being an empathic type.

Neptune rules Pisces

Moon sextile Neptune is similar to Moon in Pisces. Neptune sextile Ascendant is similar to Ascendant in Pisces.

Those aspects would help you have affinity with people with strong Pisces influence. You already have strong water influence too.
That's highly empathic overall.

I have Neptune in 3rd too,but mine is part of a t-square with Moon and Saturn, and so I do think mainly intuitively,in pictures,visualize nonstop,imaginatively,nonlinearly but also indicates my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia that includes communication/learning issues,and my special education experiences.

posted August 14, 2006 03:48 PM              

I have experienced what you say. Its deeper than most realise. Its a melding of souls almost as a Piscean is one with the inter-connectedness of everything. All water signs are to a degree, but Pisces is that much closer to "ascension" and is entangled with all of it.

The key is defining solid boundaries for who you are and which energy is yours. Pisces gives by default, your energy flows to others, into others, surrounds others. But if you do not keep enough for yourself your stores will be depleted and you will need time alone to replenish them. Perhaps losing yourself in activities that quieten the mind but stimulate the heart?

I am more like Mama Mia these days and I choose who gets my energy. I keep a screen around me to retain control over my own energy. I also make it sound a lot more conscious than it is. I think your soul will adjust if you become more confident in your subconscuious power to manipluate the energies you naturally create. It's like a sport and an art form all rolled into one. There are no user guides for it either, all trial and error.

Try meditation and anything else that can teach you to control your own energies, maintain emotional discpline, and most importantly....focus. Like a laser beam, keep it all tight, under control, deliberate. A Pisces who can command himself is a glorious being indeed.

Give it a shot.

posted August 15, 2006 03:31 AM              

i thought that this might be of some interest for you and that it helps.

IT's a book:
How To Use Power Phrases.
by:Meryl Runion

the book teaches you: To Say What You Mean, Mean What You Say, And get What You Want!
If your woundering what is a Power Phrase its a short targetted expression that says what you mean, and means what you say without being mean when you say it. I hope that all made sense good luck.

posted August 15, 2006 05:35 AM              

Swerve: Sounds very good what you say. I am really doing my best losening myself in activites: I have been running 3 marathons and I am working on my 4th. The endorphines take you high... just where I want to be ;-). I guess you could say I am addicted to getting that high... but itīs in a healthy way. Itīs really uplifting and it makes me very, very happy . But this is one of my activites that has become a problem when it comes to Energy Vampires - if they donīt run themselves they have no understanding whatsoever what it takes in training, diet and early nights.

Subconsciously maybe one of the reasons for doing marathons was to have a legitimate reason for staying away...it has worked for a while, but it doesnīt work anymore. Doing sport is not legitimate activity for E-V:s... because it is something you can postpone... I have made a certain E-V upset by this ... and for me there is nothing worse than knowing that people are angry with me - wish I could just let go and not bother, but I do. I feel guilty when I meet them... still I canīt stop training, because itīs what I want to do... at least for now.

Could my situation have something to do with having saturn in my first house? Moon in Libra - making it hell to be in conflict with anyone around me... been trying to find out so I can make a change.

When it comes to meditation - I meditate a lot, self-hypnosis to learn to say No ;-) and running is like meditation for me. So I am working on it. Itīs nice to get some suggestions so I can combine them with my own ideas getting over something that has been a problem to me my whole life. My North node is in Aries so maybe itīs what I will work on in this life...

Jehovah81: Thanks for the tip! Sounds like a book for me..."Say what you mean"... hm... that I think is the root of the problem for me... I will look around for the book and when I find it I will buy 2 - one for me and one for you . We can't have "sneak-readers" running around in the book shops,can we? he, he, he....

Take Care
Skybound

posted August 15, 2006 09:56 AM            

You wrote:

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have made a certain E-V upset by this ... and for me there is nothing worse than knowing that people are angry with me - wish I could just let go and not bother, but I do. I feel guilty when I meet them...

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I'm Pisces Moon in the 8th so I understand your guilt feelings. Even now, there's a twinge from time to time when someone I don't even care about whom I would not maintain a friendship with gets miffed at me.....