posted August 21, 2006 07:52 PM            

So with a lot of Neptune aspects in a synastry chart... Where does one begin?
I guess with just meeting someone whom I have lotsa Neptune with... little gunshy.. I'm enduring some heavy Neptune transits right now... Don't want to get duped... and so on... What would stand out the most...or how would this all blend....

His My
Neptune conj Mars
Neptune sextile Venus
Neptune Quincunx Saturn

My His
Neptune conj Sun
Neptune Quintile Moon
Neptune conj Mars (double whammy)
Neptune square ASC
Neptune sextile Jupiter

As Liz Greene says, "Anything from ridiculous to sublime"

posted August 21, 2006 09:36 PM            

Why yes!

Me
Neptune
sq Mars
opp Jupiter
sq MC

Him
Neptune sq Sun and Moon

posted August 21, 2006 10:07 PM            

i would definately try to keep both
feet on the ground. that is hard to
do because neptune just "feels good"-
there seems to be some idealization here-
but i think it would go both ways-

posted August 23, 2006 06:42 AM              

Funny that normally I read outer planets are impersonal.. you couldn't possibly feel this or that with *that* many ppl. Well I have to say with Neptune I did (with Pluto as well more or less). Especially in high school when you're stuck with manyA ppl in your generation. In hindsight there was a major deception pattern happening there that did affect my life quite a bit.

There was a guy I also had double whammies with and it played out a lot (we had mars/neptune also.. he had the trine and i had the conjunction so it was the same in synastry since we're born a year apart)

The good: the feeling of being very connected to someone, finally understanding the world, yourself, everything and how it relates to everything else, feeling part of it all and part of the person and feeling that in some way they are part of you, ESP bond (sometimes flawed with negative aspects – but you don’t have many of those), a deep want to help the other person despite any adversity that might pop up.

The bad: never underestimate the power of Neptune to cause confusion the size of Mississippi, and be very careful because, due to the nature of the beast, you won’t know while it’s happening. The problem is there isn’t just deception on it’s own. There’s the deception and then there’s the deception ABOUT the deception.. It actually takes you a couple of good years to recognise that there was deception in hindsight and a couple more yrs to figure out what the deception itself was actually about.

The ugly: One little white lie said back in the 17th century can turn into one gigantic problem, completely incognito and blow up in your face yearsssss later. By the time it becomes obvious, the deception will be so thick there will be almost nothing to do. Kinda like a little snowball rolling down a hill.. when it gets to the bottom you will be absolutely dumbfounded at the size of it and what can *actually* happen due to one little white lie back in the 17th century. Then you’ll go from feeling surprised to exasperated to angry to sitting back and laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of it all. It’s almost so incredibly stupid, that it would have to be surreal that this is even happening to you.. *this isn’t a prediction btw, I’m using it as a third person ‘you’ lol*

I’d say the squares lead to the bad and ugly down the track.. Because you guys have sextiles, conjunctions, it might just be the good –period- if you’re lucky.. but best be careful. Take lies seriously. When lies become an “inside” joke (without both parties being in on it) and you perpetuate the impression that you don’t really need to (a) tell the truth, and (b) communicate at all, for the other person to understand.. since they’ll just miraculously *know* anyways, so why bother talking?.. it leads to problems. You might think that no matter what you say, they’ll *know*, and they might think that no matter what they’ll say – you’ll know.. and worse they’ll think you know what they know and that was the message you were sending out.. and you’ll think you also know and got their message right.. except *really* no one knows anything unless it is SAID explicitly by both of you. As I read somewhere, I think it was astro.com, Neptune can create both the reality of a deeply spiritual relationship and the illusion of it. Don’t lie to save the other person’s feelings or your own, or just because it seems funny at the time, or because ‘it’s oh so innocent and what harm can come of it anyways’, actually especially this last question, don’t even go there, the universe has a way of answering so better not ask.

posted August 23, 2006 12:27 PM            

I have been reading "The Astrological Neptune and the Quest for Redemption" by: Liz Greene....
There is a section on Neptune aspects in synastry/composite. She doesn't break it down like square, conjunction too much; mostly uses "soft" and "harsh"....
Its alot to swallow with just one or two Neptune aspects... But start reading everything and it gets stuck in your throat.

Sometimes, I think even the conjunction can be considered harsh... its a blending that can manifest in different ways....powerful.
Here is an excerpt on the harsh side of sun/neptune....
"Because the "hard" aspects suggest an inate conflict between Neptune's boundless needs and the Suns's individual reality, the sun person often feels, after a time, drained and used; and Neptune's dreams may be easily shattered the moment the Sun turns attention elsewhere, or is revealed as merely human and "selfish" after all.
The archetypal background behind Sun-Neptune contacts is that of divine creator and dependant offspring.
With some effort to achieve a workable balance between Saturian realism, solar self-definition , and idealized Neptunian devotion, the Sun can serve as a model of self-confidence and self-expression which facilitates the actualising of Neptune's imaginative gifts. And Neptune can offer the priceless boon of helping the Sun feel less isolated on the lonely heroic journey to becoming an individual."
"Plato understood it as the recollection of the soul in the presence of the beloved. Idealisation can make us want to give our best."
I guess idealisation is not a bad thing if it is based on the others genuine qualities.
With the square, disappointment sets in when Neptune tries to live off the host.
Hopefully, there are alot of loverly blue lines to outshadow the rosy glare of Neptune.
Thanks again for your input.

Lauren,
If my memory serves me, you are quite young in age... but your wisdom is ageless....
I am always in awe of your endless gifts....
You hit the nail on the head and I completely understand your thoughts... you, however do a splendid job in putting them all together...
I too, have the Mars/Neptune conjunction natal.

****There’s the deception and then there’s the deception ABOUT the deception..******

We have only been seeing each other for about a month now and he said to me not too long ago that he feels our bond is mostly a silent one. I feel much the same way which is profound in that I (Virgo) tend to over-think stuff to death.... but with him there seems to be a knowing that I have never felt before. I don't feel the need to be so in control all the time...
This is where I get scared.. He's said to me on so many occasions... "Wow you just read my mind.. I was thinking the same thing"
But it may well just be an illusion... I will definitely take your words to heart in that it all needs to be SAID.. to be sure.. I won' take for granted that I've got the message right... because like you said, "Uunless it is SAID, you *really* don't know."
Thank you so very much!!

posted August 23, 2006 01:03 PM            

I have been pondering the same...

Here is the rest of what Ms. Green has to say on the arcetypical background of Sun/Neptune...

posted August 23, 2006 10:06 PM            

i am always confused as to who feels
what with different aspects-the most
definitive answer i found is that
the synastry usually goes both ways-

i did find a generic description of
mars and neptune in synastry:

The two of you may have a strong interest in the arts, music, and film. This could be a business relationship. Your emotional rapport may have an almost otherworldly quality about it. You could be a very moving force as a team when it comes to matters pertaining to the imagination, psychology, metaphysics, etc.

posted August 24, 2006 01:08 AM            

Bullhead... I like to simplify the energies.... break them down and then combine them.
Sun is generally more important than Mars, in terms of relationships.. it is your basic will, character, while Mars is energy and where you put it ( both good and bad manifestations.)
See, it's super simplified, but effective when breaking down who feels what.
So it is your Neptune and their Mars/Sun?
They are both Trining.. so they are each good energies. They blend harmoniously. The planet of Illusion in a Trine aspect with someon's Sun? Well, you've got a nice breakdown of those energies all over this string.
In terms of Mars? Those energies, although the signs work well elementally, the energies of the planets aren't as easily combined. You need direction for Mars energy.. and Neptune is too vaporous to be directed or contained. It could lead to misdirection.
Sun is a bit more straightforward and dreamy... the energis ar emore easily tracked or thought out through astrology.
kNow what I mean?
But break it down, think of the houses too... get a grasp on the energies and their direction.

posted August 24, 2006 09:03 AM              

Lol I was trying to explain this Sun (ego)/Neptune (drama/acting/romeo and juliet) + other ppl, thing but I’d rather just make up a story..

So this is how it goes, lol don’t laugh, it’s kinda silly -

An innocent bystander tells him you stole a pair of earrings when you were 6 years old, and what he hears is:

“she’s a *thief*, if she’s a thief then she’s a liar, if she’s a liar she lied to me! But she seemed so perfect.. how COULD she steal.. how DARE she steal.. wow she really done it this time, now I’m hurt.. I can’t even be around her anymore, how could I ever love a THIEF”

After which, he goes quiet and stops talking to you. Noticing this attitude you stop talking to him also.. No one talks, stares going back and forth, both of you thinking you understand each other. He’s looking at you thinking;

“well you did the wrong thing, and you know you did, and you hurt me.. so it’s up to you to patch things up now”..

He thinks you’re getting this message and won’t patch things up.. intentionally..
Meanwhile you’re thinking:

“yeah uh huh you stoped talking to me.. and you acted weird.. it was the wrong thing to do and it hurt me.. and you know it’s up to YOU to patch things up”.. You also think he’s *getting* this message.

7 months down the track, or a year or two.. in which time you both keep up this attitude.. that innocent bystander sits next to you on a bus and reminisces on the good old days and says “hey guess what? this is SOOOO hilarious.. bk in the day, 2 years ago, I told Mr X you stole a pair of earrings when you were 6.. HA you should’ve seen his face..he was furious.. what a WEIRDO”.. Now your initial reaction would be “but why would you say that? I never stole a pair of earrings when I was 6..it NEVER happened.” Because guess what? It actually NEVER did happen.. and the bystander would say "oh yes you're right.. I remember now.. It was Anna who stole the earrings.. how funny, I never even realised" (yes "funny" ..)

Now it takes a while for this to sink in.. but by the time you get home you get the picture of the fact that this is how his silent treatment began. So now you *know* what the deception was and you know the reason for his behaviour.. and *now* years later you *can* fix it.. but here comes Neptune saying:

“how could he ever think that of me? How could he ever think I was a thief? I loved him. He loved me.. how could he stop talking to me over that? He doesn’t even deserve to know the truth.. If one little lie can make him completely change his opinion of me then he didn’t love enough in the first place.. he’s not the person I thought he was.. he isn’t a saint after all”

So now, when he’s about ready to let it go and patch things up, you’re so disappointed you keep up the silent treatment yourself.. and more stares flying back and forth.. now you’re thinking “how could you ever think that of me?” and he’s thinking “you made the mistake and now when I’m trying to do the right thing years later.. you’re STILL the one standing on your pride. I was right all along.. u were a liar and a thief, and you never loved me”

And so it goes on and on.. trip trop trippity trop

LOL seriously Neptune = in need of psychological help, Sun = ego blown out of proportion
It can get this ridiculous! Over something this silly.. where neither of you were at fault, not even the innocent bystander.. it *just* so happened.. and that’s what makes it so absurd

posted August 24, 2006 10:00 AM            

That is TOO close to what is happening to us at present that i have to laugh. funny-
i don't get scared when we stop talking anymore-we eventually pick everything up again. he's been silent for a week now-so
i don't know what the deal is-in a way its too funny-i had to laugh while reading your post over coffee this morning.

posted August 25, 2006 04:13 PM            

This was in the text prior to the aspects on general Neptune in your relationships...
She even throws a liitle Saturn in too... She feels really strongly that individuals with a well functioning Saturn and Sun.. do better with the Neptune issues...which makes sense for just about any other planetary influence as well....

"The experience of meeting a soul-mate has been formulated in a myriad ways over the ages. The physchological writings of the 20th century have attempted to explain the phenomenon in rational terms; but have only succeeded in illuminating specific aspects of it. Our experiences of mystical fusion with another person have an eerie sense of fatedness which, in hindsight, seems to reveal an awesome intelligence at work. {love that}
In such relationships, Neptune will be found busily at work between the two natal or progressed charts, and in the composite chart as well. This deep level of union with another is, for many people, the most beautiful, moving and transformative event that can occur in life, even if it generates suffering.
Whatever parental complexes might be at work(and they always are), and however disappointing the denoucement (and it frequently is), the apparently telepathic quality of communication between people, when Neptune is active in synastry, provides irrefutable testimony , for the romantically inclined, of an alternative and more sacred dimension of reality. This other reality hints at the eternal life of the soul, the indesructability of the bonds of love over aeons, and the promise of wisdom and grace arrising out of pain and loss. If the personality is unformed, the collapse of the dream can be utterly devastating, for it constitutes a kind of extinction. But if the functions of Saturn and the Sun are reasonably well-integrated within the personality, one can find sufficent self-containment and realism to cope with any disappointment or sorrow which might ensue, and can anchor Neptunian experience as a permanent and creative diminsion of one's life."

There is more I want to share but gotta be gone for a while..My B-day was the yesterday and I am a little "hung-out" today... (Dang Pisces friend twisted my arm to go out!) Away this weekend Last get-away before School starts.... (Yeah)

I have decided to "go along with it" with my new friend. I think I will look a while longer before leapin in...

Love to all