posted September 09, 2006 03:28 AM              

Back to the original topic,
it seems Pisces women would be the most likely to understand the broader affinity of the sexes, and aren't as likely to divide and close their perception within the tunnel vision of extremities.

Have you checked out these Pisces women's entire natals, Scorpionic Web?
I suspect there may be prominent fixed sign influence, especially Scorpio and/or Taurus.

posted September 09, 2006 04:01 AM            

One has a Scorpio ascendant, with a detrimented Venus in Aries in the fifth house, in an applying trine to a first house Uranus at an orb of 00.04'03" (1/25th of a degree).

My Sun conjuncts her Ascendant with an orb of 00.07'. My Merc, Venus and Jupter all conjunct her Ascendant within 3 degrees.

Her Aqua Mercury Squares my Scorp Sun, Venus and Jupiter within 2 degrees.

My Leo Asc Squares her Ascendant, opposes her mercury, but both out of orb at about 10 degrees

Our Libra Moons are conjunct at 02.22' degrees.

posted September 10, 2006 02:31 AM              

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Bullsh1t! There is quite a difference between an intelligent woman that wants equal rights for an equal job versus a femi-nazi that just hates men.

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Where in my post did I mention anything about jobs? I was primarily talking about laws that don't represent women who are criminally assaulted by men. So, yes, I HATE men who beat up, rape and kill women. If that makes me a "feminazi" then I wear that insult like a badge of honor.

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The feminists of yesterday would throw-up at the man-hating, bitter women of today. Because of this militant behaviour we see a major backfire of events occuring. Any woman that now climbs the corporate, military or fire department latter is considered "only meeting a quota". Then we have men now wondering what in the hell they are supposed to do on a date. Do they open our door or will that cause the woman to yell 'YOU SOB I can open my own god-damn door!!!"

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Actually, I think they'd be very pleased to see that women can even hold the jobs you've mentioned. Do you realize how hard women fought for the right to be a cop, enter West point and the military? Where, incidentally, rapes by fellow students and soldiers are very prevalent AND summarily covered up by the men who still run the aforementioned organizations? Do some research on it, because you don't know what you're talking about. So, I think the feminists of yesterday would be both happy, yet dismayed. Happy about the ability to get the jobs, but dismayed by the still prevalent oppression and brutalization by some men in the military and west point.

As far as opening doors on dates...I hold the door open for male and female friends and strangers alike. Holding a door open is common courtesy, Pidau, not a male engendered trait. At least, I believe it's just good manners and upbringing and has absolutely zilch to do with women's rights and movements. Those that confuse the two are missing the point entirely, which you obviously are.

Anyone who would rudely exclaim, "I can open my own door, SOB," is just a rude person. Period. It has nothing to do with being a feminist or not. Again, it's just bad manners and poor upbringing, in my opinion.

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Or my personal favorite "I'm a damn feminist, I am equal to a man - but you better pay for my meal on our date".

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I always offer to pay my share. Furthermore, I never go on dates to get a free meal - I think that is rude - I don't use people like so many women do in this regard. If I had a dollar for how many times a woman has laughed and said, "I don't like him, but it's a free meal," or, "a girl's gotta eat;" well, I'd be a rich women. Those statements really make me sick to my stomach. It's so wrong, yet these same women think I'm nasty because I want laws to protect me and other women from predatory men, most of which the woman is intimate with. Did you know that getting married raises your chance of being murdered by 30%? It is a bonafide statistical fact. Did you know that if a woman is murdered it almost always someone she is close with - a male friend, acquaintance, boyfriend, or husband? Did you know 80% of rapes are committed by a male the woman knows well - not some stranger. Someone the woman considered a friend or lover. So, are we really both human? Statistacally, men are not as human as women in this regard. Department of Justice stats don't lie, my dear.

Once men stop preying on women and children in such appallingly large numbers, then I will look at the human factor, because right now, as a gender, men don't seem so human to me.

I know you'll counter with, but women beat and kill men. However, they are significantly lower in number and cases than men, in which it's staggering.

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Really... do you really think that is the way it should be?

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The feminists did not get the rape shield laws into affect. Women that had been raped decided they would no longer be victims and pushed for their rights.

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No, you're wrong. Feminist and women's groups lobbied their senators and congress for these laws.

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Where were the feminists when women in Iraq and Afghanistan (and yes even Pakistan) were being murdered for showing their elbow?

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This is exactly the type of attitude that causes a huge division between men and women. We start over-playing our vaginas and hating their penis's as an attempt to validate ourselves when instead we should be looking at our similarities and how we're BOTH human.

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No, the division is caused by men who mistreat women by beating, raping, stalking, and murdering them.

And frankly, women need to stop looking to men to validate them. That is a huge problem.

Many men don't view women as human. That is the problem. They feel entitled to do whatever they want with women because they are men, and women are second rate citizens in their eyes. These types of men feel as if they own a woman, thus leading to the abherrant behavior, the need for laws protecting women from said men, and women who end up hating men.

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No worries though... for every man hating woman there is a woman hating man- I am sure they have also caused more of the other after their initial meeting - thus creating even more man and woman haters.

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Most "man haters" are created by bad men.

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Thank God I have a real man

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Somehow I shudder to think of what your definition of a "real man" is. I fear it's the typical type (I hope not for your sake), and if so, you will be eating your words when you end up seeing how badly you need "feminazis." Or maybe that is why you are defending men so much and putting feminists down - deep down inside you know we're right, but you're too afraid to admit it to yourself, because then you'll lose your "real man."

posted September 10, 2006 03:28 PM              

but I do see the validity of the points you've brought up, MUSTANG, and viewing objectively I think you've all brought up good points from both sides. (if there really are 'sides' which I don't think there are).
Mysticaldream, you brought up a good point as well. I think a woman would have had to at least have prior lesbian fantasies/inclinations and that hatred for men alone would rarely be the cause for lesbianism. Celibacy perhaps.

Scorpionic, I'm intrigued myself at your topic. Also I'm intrigued by your intrigue. (why are you so affected to care? hmmm....could say some things, but perhaps should wait)

I love dwelving into hidden subconscious motivation.
Are these women hostile to All men, or only a select few, including you?

I will admit, that at times I have been urged to respond in a hostile manner to you myself, but I held back and bit my tongue, knowing that most probably it's not you persay as an individual, but yet more of an archetypical symbolic representation of something that triggers a more subconscious repressed (for the most part) rage within me.
I realize that it would hardly be fair to you as a more complex person, than to judge your entire character from a handful of posts at a site.

Now, I hope you aren't offended by the boldness of me saying that to you. I do sense that you are truly earnestly seeking for answers, so I thought you might appreciate honesty as a means to explore possibilities that might truly bring some revelation, instead of lighter blah, blah talk that would only skim the surface and bring little result. Would have to say that I have my own reasons in trying to understand why a complete stranger such as you, has triggered such reactions within me.

It would probably be interesting to compare our composite/synastry to see if their are similiar aspects as with the other women, although of course only for clinical observation.

Once again, no offense I hope.

posted September 14, 2006 06:38 PM              

But I thought it considerate to apologize if I've offended you with my directness. I don't know you well enough to form any conclusions about you and so that hasn't been the case.

posted September 15, 2006 12:39 AM            

I'm not freaked out, its nice to know that I get your attention.

I often don't see how my aforementioned feminist Pisces act around other men; in larger social gatherings, there is really little room for these politics.

There are a lot of things that bother me. Like all of my other posts, I wrote this thread because its only another concern of mine. If it isn't this, its something else, I'm always caught up on something. Such is life.

If you are ever again "urged to respond in a hostile manner", then go ahead. I love being contradicted, as long as it is a constructive response.

You mention wanting to see my chart, here is my info: planet, sign, degree, house-

posted September 18, 2006 02:22 AM              

Well I'm a lazy astro.com astrologer (as far as figuring aspects anyway), but at glance it does appear we have a good amount of conjunctions, some oppositions and possibly a handful of squares.

My info~

Sun Sagittarius 0°53'05 -- 7th
Moon Leo 16°53'19 -- 4th/5th cusp
Mercury Scorpio 12°45'40 -- 7th
Venus Libra 14°55'06 -- 6th
Mars Capricorn 23°52'43 -- 10th
Jupiter Virgo 4°33'54 -- 5th
Saturn Aries 5°51'51 -- 12th
Uranus Virgo 28°25'40 -- 6th
Neptune Scorpio 24°20'05 -- 7th
Pluto Virgo 22°34'20 -- 5th
True Node Aries 27°23'01 --12th

Ascendant Taurus 12°31'47
2nd House Gemini 11°24'14
3rd House Cancer 2°50'07
Imum Coeli Cancer 23°29'15
5th House Leo 18°03'08
6th House Virgo 23°07'16
Descendant Scorpio 12°31'47
8th House Sagittarius 11°24'14
9th House Capricorn 2°50'07
Medium Coeli Capricorn 23°29'15
11th House Aquarius 18°03'08
12th House Pisces 23°07'16

If anything stands out to you, I'd be interested to hear.

I'm not sure how constructive it would be, but it's always good to hear when someone appreciates the potential in honesty.
The acknowledgement of being aware of having my own experiences/issues tempers me. I feel hesitant projecting it onto someone else, without thinking through why I feel the way I do.

I wondered before if the Pisces women were 'hostile' to all men or just some, because I get along great with most men. In fact, a few of my closest friends are men.
But I couldn't deny certain men produce feelings of anger and rebellion within me.
If strong feelings arise, I don't react 'hostile' persay. (is sarcasm and avoidance hostile? lol) I suppose evasive might be a better word.

Do you know much about the Pisces women's past relationships?