posted September 22, 2006 01:28 PM              

and I have to agree with Tim on this one. For me sex is not about the act itself it is about the transformation.. what it does to me, how it makes me feel on the level of my soul..

posted September 22, 2006 02:11 PM            

What really can and does transform us is LOVE, you don't take it lightly, you just cannot otherwise it's something else but not love; 8 house things are not something cool and posh, I see nothing sexy about them cozz 8th house is our emotional and spiritual blood and sweat, not fun!
Love is something we are ready to die for not sex, love is something that really changes us, makes us evolve and realize what really is important in life.
It's when we lose someone we love that part of us dies not when we experience an orgasm...
In the 8th house, LOVE comes first and plays a major transformative role, sex is insignificant here.

added* In one word, I think Love should be associated with VIII house and Sex with V house (btw affairs are ruled by V house and they are more about sex than love arent they?).

posted September 22, 2006 02:22 PM              

Wonderfully written....thanks....

Does that mean because I have Mercury in 8th in Scorp, I can be enlightened by my sexual thoughts alone...

posted September 22, 2006 02:29 PM              

I have a stellium in the 5th house and Jupiter and Mars in the 8th house.

Romance is a 5th house issue so that could maybe be extended to sex.. but I think there is a big difference. If you consider sex a 5th house issue then apparently this would be a major focus of my life?
And it clearly isn't. I have my flings but rarely are they sexual flings.

You'd have to be more specific I think.

Also, saying that sex is routine for people is a generalization. Maybe for you, or if you want, the average person today, sex is just another hobby like walking the dog, but for me it is definitely a lot higher up.

posted September 22, 2006 02:49 PM            

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If you consider sex a 5th house issue then apparently this would be a major focus of my life?
And it clearly isn't. I have my flings but rarely are they sexual flings. You'd have to be more specific I think.

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Shirty, I wasn't talking about your sexual flings or your attitude towards sex, I was talking about matters of the 8th house and tried (maybe awkwardly) to explain why I think love refers to the 8th house and sex does not. I have nothing against sex but I don't think it can tranform a person

posted September 22, 2006 03:06 PM              

I'm just saying that even though sex isn't an 8th house issue in your view it may be for me. We all deal with our energy differently.

I'm interested in hearing what other people have to say about this.. I mean if you really want to go to extremes love pervades the entire chart.. love is all. It would be hard to pin it down.

posted September 22, 2006 03:14 PM              

Marilyn Waram:
"What Freud called the subconscious was a dumping ground for unwanted garbage from consciousness. It was Jung who gave us the concept of the unconscious as a place of astronishing wealth - Pluto to the Romans was a God of wealth - and of meaning and purposefulness. To Freud, who had Saturn and the Moon in the eighth, the images produced by the subconscious pointed to the past, to infancy and the primitive in us. To Jung, with Jupiter in this house, the same images conveyed a sense of promise and guidance; he found the light in the darkness, and was thereafter the better able to guide others through it. During the period of psychotic experiences on which much of his subsequent work was based, the progressed Moon was passing through the eighth and over Jupiter. Interestingly, the breakthrough of the unconscious followed hard on the heels of the breakup of Jung's friendship with Freud, in which he had a considerable emotional investment, so the element of separation that belongs to this house was also part of the picture. "

posted September 22, 2006 03:20 PM              

This part conveys such a beautiful image for this placement, and obviously I love it since my Jupiter is in the 8th, haha:

"..with Jupiter in this house, the same images conveyed a sense of promise and guidance; he found the light in the darkness, and was thereafter the better able to guide others through it..."

posted September 22, 2006 03:27 PM              

This is a quote from my natal report done at http://star2star.info/

posted September 22, 2006 03:29 PM              

8th house Jupiter club, woohoo!

posted September 22, 2006 11:48 PM              

You asked:

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Does that mean because I have Mercury in 8th in Scorp, I can be enlightened by my sexual thoughts alone...

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With Mercury (thinking/daily work) focused in the 8th house (transformation, also sex), you may be at least THINKING about sex a lot! But...if you want to...maybe this thinking can lead to Kundalini sexual enlightenment! At least it's "worth a shot"!

Sexually transformative,

posted September 22, 2006 11:57 PM              

You said:

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...the more sure I am that sex should be referred to the 5th house...[not the 8th house]

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If we look at the chart houses as something individual and separate, it may seem like any keyword could fit any house and 5th house "romance" could just as easily be "sex". But if we look at the chart as an evolving process of life, the keywords normally assigned to each house make more sense. (This is a shortened version from the full version posted on the astrology course section http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=display private&number=12&topic=000469 .)

The bottom part of the chart is about our "inner world"...about us as separate from others in the outside world...even though we may be aware of them. So, in the 5th house we still are not involved with others in the outside world, although we are INWARDLY aware of them and so "show off" to them in some way (such as in dating). But when we cross the dividing line of the 6th house and move into the 7th house, we step out of our "inner world" and move into the "outer world", where we start interacting with others around us. The first step in this interaction with others is "relating" to others (7th house)...being aware that there is "someone else" there...and the next step is to MERGE with others (8th house).

It is this merging (whether sexual or nonsexual) that causes the transformation, when two people come together to create MORE than there was before. That is the power of the 8th house...the power of the MERGING of ourself and another.

Merging transformatively,

posted September 23, 2006 09:14 AM              

That was an excellent explanation of how we progress through the Houses. Thank you

posted September 23, 2006 09:34 AM              

Tantrically thinking

posted September 23, 2006 09:38 PM              

I have venus and moon in sagg in the 8th, also ruled by sagg natally, and I am not preoccupied with sex. In fact, I haven't had sex in many years. This contradicts everything ever written (that I've read) about these planets in this sign in this house. *shrugs*

posted September 23, 2006 09:53 PM              

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Per: I couldn't agree more with your view on the eigth house!

I have venus and moon in sagg in the 8th, also ruled by sagg natally, and I am not preoccupied with sex. In fact, I haven't had sex in many years. This contradicts everything ever written (that I've read) about these planets in this sign in this house. *shrugs*

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posted September 24, 2006 02:08 PM            

Scorpio, Pluto, and the 8th house.
I guess you could say like the father, son and holy ghost
all different but the same.

I think we're missing the bigger picture here.
Peri and I are more "karmic astrologers"
while Tim's strength lies in Basic astrology and teaching
I honestly have a hard time looking at anything without reading into it the karmic "implications" which is so associated with the water houses.

I have a hard story to tell you but one that will clear up any misconceptions we may be feeling right now.

When I was pregnant with my oldest son
my father died. Saturn was transiting my 8th house and conjuncting my fathers natal Sun. (he also had transiting Pluto conjunct the nadir)
6 months later when my son was 1 month old I had a very vivid dream (in this case Plutonian) where my father came to me and said he had seen the baby, was happy and told me that no matter what ever happened he would watch over the baby.
Being a Catholic I assumed he meant like a guarding
I was young, innocent, and had not yet started my astrological journey. At that point there was no predicting or foreseeing what was coming.

In my natal chart I have Uranus in the 8th house tightly squared a 5th house Moon (son). My baby (Scorpio Rising) died suddenly for no apparent reason (sids) and was buried on my fathers birthday.
This is so indicative of the 8th house, sex, (procreation) death, and transformation. (this is what Peri is talking about, you've got to dig deep in the 8th house and the 5th would figure into it.)

I hit an all time low that I was unequipped to handle (Pluto)
a lot of tears, a lot of "whys"
Pluto changed me and Saturn made me grow up

Which brings us to Scorpio and dealing with eighth house issues.
When you think of Scorpio you think of what depth the soul can go and still make it back alright. This is where transformation comes in.
Think about an all time low point either when circumstances have pulled the rug out from under you or you have reached that point of self-loathing where you have spiraled and you are forced to take a good look at yourself.
Different signs deal with it differently and some signs can't handle the depth and despair.
you either make it back or you don't
Scorpio does.
Their strength lies in hitting bottom
and (changing, transformation) and then rising up to the top. like a Phoenix.
Scorpio's strength is scary.

Why my co-moderator has chosen to countermand me on a public board is not clear.
I'm sure he has his reasons. But I still feel this is wrong,

"Placements in the 8th indicate that you may be transformed through sex" acoustic

again not through orgasm (through procreation), not if you believe the whole transformation process takes longer than a few orgasmic seconds.

posted September 24, 2006 02:43 PM            

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When you think of Scorpio you think of what depth the soul can go and still make it back alright. This is where transformation comes in.
Think about an all time lowpoint either when circumstances have pulled the rug out from under you or you have reached that point of self-loathing where you have spiraled and you are forced to take a good look at yourself.
Different signs deal with it differently and some signs can't handle the depth and despair.
you either make it back or you don't

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