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MercurialMisfit
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posted September 22, 2006 04:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is Saturn in the 7th house a bad thing? I can't seem to find any good info on this topic! I'm trying to get an overall feeling for the synastry of this relationship.

I'd love any input on Saturn, or any other thoughts anyone may have.

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Azalaksh
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posted September 22, 2006 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MM ~

You can google "Lindaland Saturn 7th" and come up with some valuable stuff that's been posted here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010192.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004614.html

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Shining Ray
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posted September 22, 2006 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining Ray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Judy Halls book on Saturn in the 7th she says - With this placement there may be a block on relating fully to a partner. The soul is thrown inward into itself to find true inner relationship rather than finding it in the outer world. Old promises may have to be kept within a relationship a vow fulfilled, or support offered while a partner learns a lesson.

Here is another interpretation on this placement by Astrologer Lyn Birkbeck - The lessons and responsibilities that you are supposed to be working on in yourself can be mistakenly projected onto a partner. You expect them to putting right what is really your department. When you do get to do it yourself - which essentially means you are simply learning to relate to others in a responsible way - then you show great honour and discipline with regard to any serious relationship.

In fact serious relationships are your staple diet, for even casual affairs have a habit of calling you to book. Similarly, having a partner who is cold and remote is a sign that you are only going through the conventional motions of serious commitment rather than owing your part in it all. To sum up, failing to commit yourself leads you to feeling lonely or being alone. So love for you is very much where you find it and how you make it.

Shining Ray

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Rev. Alice
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posted September 24, 2006 10:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This placement really means that you are at odds with your Authority Figure--by this we mean the person who had the final say on what you could do, as a child. This creates an issue with authority.

If the issue is not worked out before, you may marry someone older, more mature--an authority figure. Then the "habits of response" created in childhood will cause you to resent your partner.

For this reason, it is usually best to wait until you are older---literally until you become aware of yourself as your own authority--before marriage.

You CANNOT, you MUST NOT expect another to be responsible for your life, your choices. If you make them responsible, they will also set the rules for and/or limits on your life.

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You are a blessing and you are blessed.
Rev. Alice www.lifeprintastrology.com

P.S. YOu might be interested in my book "The Limits of Astrology: Saturn for Today" available at www.lifeprintastrology.com

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mercurian
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posted September 24, 2006 01:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn in 7th House too.
Well, i got married young...22 years old!
BUT the Saturn worked for me in a diffrent way i guess!
My husband is 15 years older than me (Saturn in 7th) and he is a capricorn (Saturn again..his ruling planet) !!

Thats my own experience in life with this kind of placement!

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Sun/Moon/Mercury Virgo 7th House
Ascendant Aquarius

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hippichick
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posted September 24, 2006 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen "duty bound" relationships with Saturn in the 7th.

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astro junkie
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posted September 25, 2006 04:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

... I wonder if "duty bound" Saturn in the 7th can be compared to an interpretation I saw on Virgo's effect in the Composite ...

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Kamilla
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posted September 26, 2006 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a good article. It's long but really worth reading


Bill Tierney:
Saturn in this house of peer partnerships means we tend to be insecure about our ability to relate to others on an equal footing. It's no wonder that the prospect of marriage is given much deliberate, careful attention. We're afraid to suffer the consequences of not choosing the right person, though this is not always a conscious fear. We take parntership very seriously and are intolerant of any failures or disappointments in this area. We want our primary relationships to bring us a lasting sense of security, which can be more meaningful to us than something as intangible as mere 'happiness'. We want something solid and self-evident that we can count on - but there are often obstacles in the path. First of all, many of us are not certain that we will ever have fulfilling partnerships. We fear we will fail our significant others in some basic way, or that they will disappoint us, so we proceed with caution regarding marital commitment and sharing our lives in long-term involvements.
Self-honesty and careful analysis will help us to deal with our doubts so we can work on developing more encouraging attitudes. While we cannot control and plan every step in order to prevent unexpected challenges regarding matrimony, cultivating a sense of reasonable expectation will help us to develop a realistic perspective. Until then, our inner fears and worries can make us project all sorts of unattractive Saturn deficiencies onto our partner. Such perceived traits of our significant other then appear to stifle our expression, inhibit our emotions, and keep us at a cool distance. What concerns us very much is the dread of deep commitment to people who might box us in and keep us in a constant state of vulnerability. It thus becomes easier to break off a developing relationship that is getting heavier rather than to confront the real issues.
Some day we will have to own up to the fact that we give our counterparts a lot of authoritative power over us, whether overt or subtle. We can turn them into our managers or agents of oppression rather than sumply becoming equals. We want them, at least unconsciously, to run the show for us and do much of the organized structuring a marriage may call for. These people must have their act together and be highly capable in our eyes. It is often observed that Saturn in the seventh house means we seek a parent (typically a daddy figure) in our marriage who can also act like a business manager (the seventh house also deals with live-in lovers and close friends, in whom this Saturn dynamic can also be observed.
In traditional astrology, Saturn / Capricorn / Tenth House symbolizes a father figure, someone on whom we depend for our outer direction, our social status, and our ego-structuring. This is somebody we expect to help us focus our energies realistically and materially. A partner of either sex can become our surrogate father figure. Age is not always a factor either, even though having a seventh house Saturn suggests that we gravitate towards older individuals, assuming they have more experience dealing with the real world and handling authority. We figure their apparent maturity allows them to cope with the world more successfully than we do, and that can be comforting to us. But again, they can be younger people who act older and wiser than their years, or it could be we who insist on playing Big Daddy, regardless of our partner's gender.
Seeking out a paternal figure in any relationship conducive to a merging of equals can still be a positive thing, as long as we learn to switch the parental role ever so often (switching roles every so often good advice for any seventh house planet). This is not something we realize very early on in our relationship experiences, though. We typically fixate this father-image need onto our partner who then must perform according to our subjective assumptions of correct parental behavior. With Saturn here, we can be very sensitive to anything that appears less than perfect. We must feel ultra-safe. Our partner is not allowed to get away with too many shortcomings. This can be quite a burden to place on somebody's shoulders, and could feel suffocating to him or her.
A typical scenario is a childhood where we felt we didn't have a close enough relationship to our own father while growing up. That doesn't mean we have had rotten fathers who couldnt' care less about our existence. Such cold abandonment is sometimes the case, but it is not the only reason we grow up seeking our father in our partnerships in order to tend to unfinished business. Even if our relationship was good and fulfilling, it may also have been incomplete; for example, when we love very much a father who dies early on in our development, or who divorces Mom and then moves far away to live a completely separate new life, only visiting us occasionally, if at all.
SO what if karmic debt is behind it all? That just meanas our relationships specifically demand well-defined resolutions in this lifetime, or they will become even more fated and insistent in future incarnations. However, we shouldn't get too upset when metaphysical astrologers speculate on how unloving and mean we were in past lives, or how we did a masterful job using people selfishly and then disposing of them like Kleenex! Our present situation may not necessarily be punishment for being a real stinker in those bygone days during the Dark Ages. Regardless of what we did or didn't do way back then, it becomes obvious that our ability to realistically address our partnership needs is being put to the acid test here and now. If our one-on-one unions are indeed karmic, then we best approach them consciously and thoughtfully. Most of us with this position seem to be slow to initially open up to those who strongly pull us toward them. We wonder why we feel moved by and drawn to such people, while we also feign disinterest at first. Saturn in general doesn't enjoy feeling compelled by anything - that's more Pluto.
We may be convinced that anybody who is important enough to us that we would consider marrying him or her must be at least honest, consistent, enduring, successful, ambitious, levle-headed and morally decent. And responsible. And trustworthy. It seems our check-off list can go on forever, which is the main problem with Saturn in the seventh house. We want to wed someone who is hassle-free, and who presents us only with what we think we can handle, with no surprises or shocks awaiting us. We want the whole situation to be predictable and thus controllable.
It may be hard to swallow, but we want power in our relationship. We want the upper hand. We make sure in marriage that we get to hold the reins tightly by attracting someone who is almost incapable of rebellion. Perhaps shades of karma past. Regardless, we feel more secure when we have a guarantee that things won't get out of hand in our union, and that regularity is assured. We often are masters at passive power plays; maybe working with a therapist can help make such issues clear to us.
Astrological tradition gives marriage before age twenty-nine or thirty - in other words, before we've had a chance to experience our first Saturn Return - a 'thumbs down' for people with Saturn in the Seventh House. Such early marriages typically last about seven years before they either fall apart or turn into something totally alien to their original intention. Whether involving matrimony or not, our Seventh House can be a one-on-one battle zone. SOme nasty Saturnian games can be played out here (cold war, for instance), not just mating calls.
A more typical scenario is where we get the idea that marrying early is one sure way to escape from long-term parentsl pressures and restrictions. We just want out from under the yoke of our family, so our daring act of rebellion is to get married and enjoy our instant independence. Or we could be tempted to allow practicla considerations, rather than real emotional love, to help us make our decision to wed (Saturn in the eighth house can carry this theme as well). We rationalize that two can live more cheaply than one. We would deem it an irrelevant coincidence that our partner's family is loaded. Of course, Saturn can use wealth just as easily as it does poverty to teach us in the school of hard knocks. If we married too young, before we got to really know ourselves, we could feel trapped and owned while surrounded by luxury and privilege - something that wouldn't have happened if we had waited and grown up some more before going down the aisle.
We may also marry for the wrong reasons, which Saturn will never condone. The deeper and more satisfying aspects of a marriage elude us, and we eventually begin to feel confined and stifled by the arrangement. Normally, the more we want to be free from our marriage, the more clinging our Saturnian partner becomes (or vice versa). Since we hate to abandon ship, a trial separation could make us feel less guilty or ashamed of how things have turned out. Legal separation might give us an opportunity to sort things out and rectify conflicting feelings before we are forced to take that final step.
We are anti-divorce at heart. We find the idea very distressing that one day we may be forced to actually do it. For many of us, getting married was tough enough, but not being able to stay bonded can be devastating. Besides, we typically resent having to go through the humiliation and aggravation of divorce proceedings, espceially if an unco-operative partner wants to drag it out and make a public spectacle of the whole thing. It makes us feel quite exposed in a most uncomfortable manner. Sometimes it's simply wiser to listen to our attorney, who then acts as our new parent figure for the moment.
But once we have made up our minds to go through witha full-fledged legal ending to our suffering, that's it! We have no wishy-washy feelings about making such a decision, espceially if we are the one filing for the divorce. Maybe we kept our side of the bargain but our partner failed to. Maybe we are being erstricted to the point of suffocation. We typically feel we got burned in this marriage somehow, but perhaps now we can be free again to find a new partner for more of the right reasons (rather than because of unexamined fears and insecurities).
So why aren't some of us smiling? Because we are terrified. We already are haunted by the crumbling of marriage number one, which we mistranslate as all our fault and our failure. Yet as down as we can be at this critical point, we probably are not going to jump into another legal union out of desperation or infatuation. Remember, Saturn means we get wiser as we get older. We will probably shop around more carefully next time (if we even want there to be a next time).
First, though, we have to reclaim those Saturn traits we unconsciously projected onto our partner. We need to realize that we reject people a lot more than we were aware of, basically because we typically reject ourselves as being a suitable partner. A step in the right direction is learning to tap into our own inner strengths and become more self-reliant. We need to incorporate many of the characteristics we find appealing in people we attract, but to manifest them our way.
Saturn in the seventh house implies that if we are too cautious in approaching relationships, we may permanently scare ourselves out of matrimony. Severe self-inhibiting may be behind our solitary state. We can come up with all sorts of reasons we have delayed marriage or have been denied companionship by forced beyond our control. However, our Saturn house is seldom an area really beyond our control. The fateful tone it carries has much to do with our resistance to make required changes, and that is something controllable.
So what's the real story? Usually it's an unrecognized but deep-seated sense of unworthiness. We may subconsciously assume that no-one attractive would stoop so low as to value us. Karmically speaking, there is probably nothing in the Akashic records that demands we are to be alone forever against our own choosing. It is only ours to decide to go that route. So let's not feel like a victim of cold, cruel fate. Living alone for some of us is simply psychologically easier, but doing so may also be a cop-out.
It is usually better to share our lives with our Saturnidan someone than to wing it solo. If choosing not to marry is really a conscious decision, based on careful evaluation of the pros and cons and backed up by self-awareness, we can then live single without repercussions. Yet if we are merely looking for an escape hatch in order to prevent confronting certain realities about ourselves, being uninvolved keeps us in a state of feeling incomplete. Saturn here is telling us we may lack clear focus in the art of intimate relating. Marriage may not be a necessity for us, but knowing why we don't want such commitment is.
Our business partnerships may work out better than our marital ones because they require less emotional content and intimacy. We still can be very reserved in our expression, though which may not be good for conducting business. Our partner(s) may also be hard to reach at times, usually due to being tight-lipped or inarticulate. We also take our business losses too much to heart, with a tendency to blame our cohorts for inefficiency. Partners have to be competent and grounded with an inner settledness if we are to take them seriously. We expect them to be shrewd analysts who can spot those things we innocently overlook. We only want savvy people on our side. We want to be treated with respect and dignity, and we will do the same for the right business associate. All parties involved can be uptight about being analyzed, yet without constructive criticism, our partnerships can become static and non-productive. We need to feel safe opening up and communicating our thoughts without fear of another's rejection or resentment, and we need to be careful of our parental projections.

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GeminiLover75
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posted September 26, 2006 05:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, I admit it - most of that describes me.

Time to put changes in place... I've already had the first Saturnian partner, this one I wouldn't describe as such but maybe in a different way I expect him to lead and/or to be my source of security. Right now, I feel that expecting him to fulfil a preconceived role for me isn't working... and I experience the feelings described in the article... So now what? How do I change my approach?

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aquaspryt69
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posted September 26, 2006 05:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Yet if we are merely looking for an escape hatch in order to prevent confronting certain realities about ourselves, being uninvolved keeps us in a state of feeling incomplete. Saturn here is telling us we may lack clear focus in the art of intimate relating. Marriage may not be a necessity for us, but knowing why we don't want such commitment is."


Wow, that is really long but definitely right on the mark for me in many ways. Though the thought of a "daddy" lover still is disgusting to me That fear of making a wrong choice/decision and of being controlled by someone is the biggest reason I'm a run away bride. I love my freedom and not having to tell anyone where I'm going or what I'm doing. I'm just too much a free spirit for that.

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MercurialMisfit
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posted September 26, 2006 10:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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peace
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posted September 27, 2006 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercurian,
Don't have 7th House Saturn.But I have a 5th house Saturn.Don't worry about your 15 year age diffrence.Me and hubby are 21 yrs. apart!.I've always have a crush on older men since I was 6 yrs. old.

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Glaucus
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posted September 27, 2006 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my girlfriend has Saturn in Scorpio in 7th...actually...Moon-Saturn conjunction in Scorpio conj Pluto in 7th.

She takes relationships very seriously. Security,stability,structure in relationships are important to her. She can be structured in her relationships.

There is 12 years age difference between her and me(she's 23,and I am 34). I also have a strong Saturn influence to reflect her Saturn in 7th. I have Sun quincunx Saturn,Moon square Saturn,Mercury contraparallel Saturn,Venus contraparallel Saturn,Saturn oppose Neptune,Saturn contraparallel Neptune,Saturn conj Midheaven. Of course, I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio to reflect her Scorpio planets in 7th and their dispositor Pluto in 7th.

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