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tuxedo meow
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posted September 25, 2006 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do those words describe you? Do you have a description, anecdote, site to share?
About 21 months ago Jeff Jawer and Rick Levine discussed my chart on Startalkers. Pluto played largely into many degrees of change showing in the chart. They said there was a "rare" Pluto line up. When I ran my chart on astrodienst in the Natal, transit, progression mode, there are two Pluto glyphs on the outer edge of house 5- what are these and why two? ALSO my natal sun, venus, mercury, mars have all become Aries in the 8th house- Big changes-inside to outside stuff released.
I try to study the 12th House Pluto and receiving affirmations contained in some of the readings has helped me maintain my balance and sanity through more times of change.
The affirmations of severe childhood trauma at the hands of parents and/or caretakers...of opening a portal in the mind that would otherwise not have been pushed if the abuse hadn't occured...the natural healing abilities and psychic enlightenment that came from that...Levine and Jawer said they had never seen a chart with such a degree of change occuring and , that if I remembered that everything will be bettered, to use my Pluto powers (shut up and feel the power) and just "floating" through, I would get through it all to a totally different better place in every way. Also that my free-dom was unlimited now. Wow! I want some attention on this says my Leo rising! really would welcome comments and knowledge so I can understand what they meant. (Think Blonde AND blind) However i also want your 12th house Pluto and other Pluto stuff- I amstill too inept to get my chart up but would like that Transit, Natal, Progression one up-
2/21/49 4:05 P.M. Chicago, Illinois USA
This is not a cheap shot at a free read-promise!-just a reach out to other others! LOL!

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Azalaksh
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posted September 25, 2006 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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opening a portal in the mind that would otherwise not have been pushed if the abuse hadn't occured...the natural healing abilities and psychic enlightenment that came from that...
Hiya Tux That sentence kind of shook me -- I understand it at a visceral level.....

I have trouble reading a Natal/Transits/Progressions chart all-in-one. I uploaded your transits chart, if you would like to have it -- just copy the link and put [img]url[/img] tags around it.....
http://www.geocities.com/azalaksh/astro/Tux.Meow.transits.09-26-06.gif
And here's your Progressed chart: http://www.geocities.com/azalaksh/astro/Tux.Meow.progressions.09-26-06.gif

You have a nice transit happening now --
I like the Neptune/Venus on the Dsc -- but I see you've got tPluto/nMoon as I do -- yours conjunct, mine square. Truly the pits.

I have Pluto on the Asc in the 12th as you do, and Leo Rising..... I know there's a Plutonian Club around here somewhere, let's see if I can find the link and we'll amble on over there

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Azalaksh
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posted September 25, 2006 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Links to fun stuff on our favorite demoted dwarf:

Pluto D: http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/retrogrades.shtml
Pluto Transits: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008524.html
Pluto/Angles aspects: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008083.html

And here's one of my favorite authors. The bit about "master teachers" really resonated with me.....
From Steven Forrest’s “The Book of Pluto”

quote:
PLUTO IN THE TWELFTH HOUSE

THE TWELFTH HOUSE ARENA: Spiritual Consciousness; Compassion; Self-Transcendence
THE TWELFTH HOUSE PITS: Suffering; Nihilism; Spiritual Emptiness or Shallowness

IN THE TRADITION...
...the twelfth house is "The House of Troubles." Any planet there would be seen as a source of misfortune — and doubly so if the planet were an inherently "unlucky" one, such as Pluto!

Take heart. We'll present a more uplifting and encouraging perspective on this configuration, but before we do, we must consider an unsettling idea: philosophically, there is an age-old association between spirituality and suffering.

Much illusion must be cleared out of the way before this idea has any relevance to our purposes, but it does contain a kernel of truth. Many of us have observed the phenomenon of a person blossoming into glowing spirituality while battling cancer. That single image provides us with the clue we need: loss, endured consciously and with faith, can be a powerful teacher.

Do we need loss and suffering in order to grow spiritually? That's a delicate question, but one sure insight leaps to awareness: certainly we humans are capable of experiencing spirituality in other, more immediately attractive ways. We might, for example, feel very close to the Great Spirit while opening our hearts to a magnificent landscape, or a transcendentally beautiful piece of music — or to each other, for that matter. Safely we can say that suffering is far from the only path to higher faith.

Still, terrible loss strips us down to spiritual realities faster than anything else. And if Pluto, the planet of much that is frightening in life, lies in your twelfth house, what might that imply?

YOUR HIGH DESTINY
Is it your destiny to suffer more than most of us? If so, than no matter how much spiritual sugar we put on it, you'll probably wind up wishing that you had somebody else's birth chart. Fortunately I can honestly report that I've not observed a particular correlation between this Plutonian configuration and a pattern of catastrophe in the biography.

The best way I know to come to terms with the highest potentials of twelfth house planets in general is to think of them as our "master teachers" — inward spiritual giants that guide us, like kind gurus, into transcendent states of consciousness. Each planetary master teacher promotes in you a certain class of experience or perception which is customized to trigger evolutionary leaps. If you had Venus there, for example, experiences of human love or aesthetic rapture might be the ticket.

But what about Pluto? Here's the planet of Evil and Catastrophe. Does your inner teacher want you to suffer? Or, even more incomprehensibly, to become a nasty person? Not at all. Your inner teacher's goal is far simpler to say: the teacher wants you to deepen your compassion.

Your High Destiny lies in becoming one of those beings on the earth whose mere existence is reminder to the rest of us that, when the day is done, compassion is the purest, noblest spiritual attainment available to any human being.

And how do we learn compassion? By opening our hearts to suffering. Whose suffering? Does it have to be our own? From the human perspective, that question is pressing one. But our urgency in asking it would probably make the angels smile. And their answer, I believe, would be that it doesn't matter whose suffering you're considering. Whether it's yours or that of another being, either way compassion is the highest response that might be invoked.

YOUR DISTORTING WOUND
Imagine you've got a friend who carries a lot of political intensity in her character. She wants you to see a film with her tonight; it's about the gruesome use of torture by the corrupt regime in Wazoowazooland. The situation there is real; forces of sadism and destruction are rampaging, and you really do feel compassion for the people. But the film is heavy-handed. Close-ups of mutilation are punctuated only by close-ups of teary faces. And it goes on and on. For the first fifteen minutes, you are dumbstruck with a mixture of horror and righteous indignation: the very emotions the film-maker set out to invoke. But after a while, you're simply wishing it would be over. Forty-five minutes into the film, you find yourself surreptitiously stealing a glance at your watch. When finally the credits roll, you have been emotionally bludgeoned. You feel numbness, and little else except a profound aversion to hearing ever again of Wazoowazooland or its hapless inhabitants.

The next day at work, someone approaches you with a look of naughty mirth. "Did you hear the one about ...' It's a bad joke, a sick joke, about torture. And you laugh until tears run down your cheeks.

You needed the relief. Subliminally, the film was still with you. It is a psychological commonplace that humor is mostly about dealing with the unthinkable. Most jokes are humanity's way of coping with the darker realities of existence: death, old age, illness, infidelity, sexual problems, catastrophe, accident. And there is no shortage of any of those sources of pain in this world; they abound. Life can sometimes be a little too much like that film about Wazoowazooland.

With Pluto in the twelfth house, you were born with a unique psychic attunement to suffering. Were the world a softer, more gentle place, in your youth, you might have sat beneath the Bodhi Tree, so to speak, and simply entered into a kind of compassionate meditation. But instead what happened was that you were flooded, overwhelmed with the psychic shrieking, whimpering, and wailing of embodied life-forms. And you shut down, at least partly. You had to.

This Plutonian configuration is distinct from the others in that the Wound connected with it can arise in the psyche independent of any particular "wounding event" in the youthful or karmic biography. Nobody had to hurt you personally, in other words, in order for you to be hurt by the synchronous howling of all the loneliness, sorrow, and pain on the planet.

Still, wounding biographical events do have some relevance here. We may find stories of direct exposure to intimate catastrophe in the early life: grandma lives in the family home and endures a long, stretched-out cancer death. What does that atmosphere mean to the child developing in it? Perhaps there is the loss of parent to death, to madness or via abandonment. Maybe a sibling is seriously ill. Perhaps violence touches the home, or the early life.

Whatever the outward story, the real Wound arises not so much from the direct reality of the painful event — as we've seen you're psychically wired to deal with that dimension of life quite satisfactorily — but rather from the impact of other people's adaptations to the difficulty. The child who, for example, sees mom grow hard, unreachable, and steely in the face of sister's leukemia ...he or she internalizes that model. The boy whose dad is full of bitter, black-humorous jokes as a defense against his own tears ...what does that boy learn about manhood?

It would be dishonest to leave this territory without making reference to our numbed-out, violence-mad culture. A child with Pluto in the twelfth house will be seated in front of the TV with the rest of his or her peers, learning to laugh and cheer at bludgeoning, maiming, and murder. We have grown appallingly anaesthetized to the suffering of others; this is the opposite of compassion, and thus, to the extent that you internalized it, this attitude itself is part of your wound.

YOUR NAVIGATIONAL ERROR
Little could be more natural or more instinctual than the avoidance of suffering. We approach pleasure; we retreat from pain. You, me, and a paramecium wiggling on a microscope slide: we all hold that pair of reflexes in common.

And compassion is pain. It may be more than pain; it has subtlety, even nuances of bliss in it. But primarily, overwhelmingly, it hurts to let ourselves feel the hurt of another. To open ourselves to the ache of grief or the ragged edge of fear in another creature is to welcome that energy into ourselves. To make it our own.

Let's be sure that we are speaking the same language here: I am not talking about abstract concern for "world hunger" or "abused children," as laudable as those sentiments may be. What I am talking about is the look in the eye of the panhandler who stops you on the street wanting your spare change. He's human, and he hurts. He presumably hates his situation, whatever his own responsibility for it may be. He likely hates you too, for that matter. Maybe you give him a few coins. But can you give him a moment of eye-contact? A little empathy? Can you stand it?

I don't mean to sound preachy here. And let me hasten to add that most days I can't live up to the standard I'm describing. But what I am depicting is real compassion, and it's an extremely difficult attitude to maintain.

Your Navigational Error lies in slipping too far away from that compassion. The point is that, while you're naturally inclined to feel it, the sheer unpleasantness of the emotion might incline you to shut it down. Maybe you do that by taking refuge in normalcy: give the bum a couple of dimes maybe, then get away fast before he says anything. Maybe you hide in cynicism or nihilism — a real trap with Pluto in the twelfth house. Perhaps humor is your refuge, a kind of black humor that thrives on jokes about grievous loss.

Down that road lurks disaster — and not only because of the evolutionary opportunity which is lost. When Pluto is forced out of consciousness, it tends to express itself biographically. If Pluto's effects are not about your consciousness, they'll manifest in your story, in other words. The point here is a fierce one: if you are hesitant to open up to compassion regarding other people, you increase the probability that you'll sooner or later have ample inspiration to feel compassion toward yourself.

THE HEALING METHOD
Of all houses, the twelfth is the most transcendent — which is to say that of all of them, it has the least direct connection to the visible world. Extraordinary events can take place in that part of being and produce not even a ripple in your outward life. The point is that your healing method here is not so much something that you must do as it is something you must become.

Meditation is the heart of the matter. But meditation is a word that is easily misunderstood. Astrology, if it is anything at all, is a celebration of human individuality. Were I to espouse any particular religious or philosophical position here, I'd be doing a disservice to you, to myself, and to the spirit of what's best in astrology. If my word "meditation" translates best for you as "prayer" or even as "concentration," that's fine.

What I am speaking of is the highly focused and sustained visualization of an image in the mind. The more three-dimensionally "real" the object of the meditation becomes, the more powerful is the healing experience. And for our purposes we must add two more layers: the emotions must be engaged with the image; it must be felt as much as seen. And the image must be one that fills the heart with compassion.

Christians may image Jesus on the cross. Buddhists may see Gautama vowing to serve the world until all beings are liberated. Anyone might image a child, a fawn, a kitten.....young things in their innocence and defenselessness often fill us with compassion. We might visualize a friend who is going through something painful, and let his or her psychic reality into our hearts. And if you want your Pluto-in-the-twelfth-house PhD., maybe you should try visualizing a someone you find antagonistic or unpleasant in that same compassionate light.

The inner work is the real work in the twelfth house; everything else is less important, and tends to follow naturally. Once you have recovered your native capacity to feel compassion, there often arises a strong desire to address suffering in the outer world. In practical astrology, it is not unusual to find people with Pluto in the twelfth house working in hospitals, or prisons, or shelters, or asylums — places where human suffering is at a crescendo. But to frame such work, however noble, as the Healing Method, would be misleading. It is not the healing method; it is only a typical side-effect of the deeper opening of the heart.

THE ENERGIZING VISION
Rightfully we revere our scientists, the artists who make our hearts soar, the comedians who give us laughter, the healers who bind our wounds. But we always reserve a special place for the ones we call "saints" — the compassionate ones who love us wholly and utterly. Sometimes those saints undertake extraordinary feats of service and incidentally garner a lot of attention; Mother Theresa leaps to mind. Others live more quietly, and attract less notice. But even without much prospect for film bios and pilgrimages after they're dead, these saints are precious nonetheless. I believe I've seen such beings once or twice in toll booths on highways, recognized them in a split second of eye contact, and was a quarter-mile down the road before I even knew what had happened.

"Saint" may not be the word you'd naturally use here; somehow "Good Person" just isn't strong enough verbal medicine though, so I'm going to stick with saint. My only regret in using the word is that the churches of every stripe have told a terrible lie over the centuries; they've made saints seem much rarer than they really are, so I seem to be invoking something very exotic when in fact I am not. We've all known a saint or two; life just seems to be set up that way. Caring and support radiate from such people; we turn to them naturally when our burdens are heavy, when we need someone to affirm our basic worth and goodness, despite our guilt, our confusion, our frustration. They don't pity us; that emotion is far colder and more distant than what they radiate. Whatever we may feel inside ourselves, they have felt it too — however dark or abased it may be.

Thus, we expose another lie the churches tell: these saints are utterly human, and utterly accepting of their humanness. What distinguishes them is only the extent to which they have opened to their own humanity. And that openness empowers them to open equally to your humanity or to mine.

To say that with your twelfth house Pluto, you have the chart of a saint — even in the milder, broader definition of the word I am advocating here — would be misleading. There is really no such thing as the "chart of a saint." The cockroach born under the manger had Christ's chart. Sainthood refers to an attainment; a chart refers only to potentials, and read accurately, it describes dark potentials as well as bright ones.

It is more accurate to say that in this lifetime you have the opportunity to attain that level of compassionate engagement which I am characterizing as "sainthood," and to touch people's lives in that intimate, inspiring way. That is your High Destiny, and reaching it is in no way automatic. As we have seen, there are other roads you could go down.

But this high solitary road, maybe the highest road of all, is now open to you, if you choose to travel it.


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MUSTANG
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posted September 26, 2006 01:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala, if you have time would you mind looking at my transits?

01/23/71 11:53 am. Phiadelphia, PA

Sorry to hijack the OP's thread. I'll go now. *Blushes*

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tuxedo meow
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posted September 26, 2006 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonderful so far, on my way to my part-time job- more later

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jenfullmoon
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posted September 26, 2006 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jenfullmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In life, I seem to be a "chaos magnet." A lot of drama goes on around me, and a lot of my relatives have been dying off over the last few years. I guess the 12th house Pluto (also my chart ruler) has something to do with that. I do feel like I am supposed to have a life that has tons of stress and hell in it, period.

I can't say that I have been feeling compassion for ANYONE any more, though. I am burnt out on suffering and other people's feelings for so long, and my OWN feelings, and don't want to have any any more. I hit my limit last year. I've become the hard and steely example compared to my mom's crying bleeding heart. I guess someone has to do it.

I guess as usual, I am NOT at all wanting to become the person I am supposed to be :/

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Azalaksh
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posted September 26, 2006 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mustang ~

tJupiter’s just about to change houses and cross your Descendent! I like that….. It will be moving into your 7th house of partnership just before tSaturn moves into your 5th house of creativity and love affairs, and tSaturn is still trining your nMoon…..
tMars and your True Black Moon Lilith will be conjuncting your nUranus in the 6th soon – could be a volatile time…..
tChiron just recently crossed your nSun, now it’s coming back but it turns direct on Oct 13th at 4 Aqua without making another pass at your Sun (whew!). Have you had a difficult time this year, either with work or one of your parents??
On Oct 19th or so, tSaturn will be on top of your SN, opposing your NN in Aqua. I have a friend who went thru a very rough period when that transit hit them…..
You have a tNeptune sextile nMoon coming up – I like that one too

I’m not a transits expert, so you’ll need to google or research the aspects above to flesh out the interps…..

You can read up on some of these at the “Forecast” in the “Short Reports” section at www.astro.com (have you set yourself up there?). The following is a fun graphic that I’ve been time-traveling with for my own self….. the Transit Rhythmogram…..

Yours is pretty steady, with some spikes of activity – you should see mine, it’s spikes up near the month/year markers at the top!!!

Zala

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posted September 26, 2006 11:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much Zala!!

I haven't had problems with my parents, that's pretty stable, but work is totally up in the air. I'm trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up... I have ideas, but am on the fence and know I have to decide very soon!

I am on astro.com, but I don't think I've checked out the short report. I'm going to do that. Is that where you got the transits?

It looks like 2010 will be bad. You said your's is all spiked - I'm guessing that isn't good...? I'd like to see your's.

I'm going to google the transits.

Thanks again.

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tuxedo meow
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posted September 27, 2006 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi- don't forget to check out my chart thru the wonderful link provided- 1st, what IS all that 8th 11th house emphasis? 8th house Aries Stellium in the progressed chart? tied to the 11th house (my mother always said my Saturn showed fearful death by drowning or violent death by a large body of water (we weren't big on fairy princesses around that house, I guess LOL) So please tell-ok? I was so excited to see the links to my charts! Also 2nd, what are thos two little Pluto glyphs doing outside my 5th house which contains the moon. Generational or personal?
Yes Empathy compassion, coping, I do try to rebel but this must be my life-learning to lose what I lovingly treasure and Having to bear it again and again- maybe spirit showing me there is no room for other focus, that i must be totally involved in this refinement for universal good. ?

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tuxedo meow
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posted October 19, 2006 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, reading thru the archives, Alsekian(?) wrote an answer about rape in the chart and said Pluto in the 12th very close to the 1st any way it is what I have in mine and I have gone thru some terrible things like that- to have it verified like that is better than thinking I had a big sign on saying Come and Get it...

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tuxedo meow
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posted October 24, 2006 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Azalaksh! Thank you- tell me more about you me us ! also thank you for taking time to take time to check out the charts. A while back, two astrologers Jawer and Levine on their old radio show Startalkers #62 I think, about 24 months ago told me they hadn't seen a chart with so many changes and that the pain was over except for the pressure of what I was releasing and that there was quite an unusual Pluto 'something' going on - Can you see what that was? A lot of outer planets setting things up and blowing them apart- I was so "duhed" out I really didn't ask them much but when I called back another time, Stephanie their girl Friday, said they had given me a longer than usual reading and could I wait awhile before calling back- Wanted to 'touch base' with you all and Azalaksh-

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posted October 24, 2006 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi tux and MUSTANG ~

I don't want this to be a "mine's bigger than yours is, neener neener neener" thing but I thought I'd put up my transit rhythmogram to illustrate what you can live thru..... tux's is even more spectacular!!

Gee, I can't wait until 2009 when Pluto, Neptune, Uranus and Jupiter will ALL be active!!!!!

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posted October 24, 2006 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here's tux:

I will take a look at what was going on a couple years ago with Pluto -- I like Jeff Jawer a lot, have a few of his articles saved somewhere -- must resurrect them..... back later.

Zala

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posted October 24, 2006 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's links to some of Jeff Jawer's articles: http://www.asabovesobelow.com/creativeastrology/articles_by_jeff_jawer.htm

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posted October 25, 2006 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More interesting things, TY again-

During the radio show they advised me to 'float', aware that every aspect of my life would improve, to pick my passion because I am freer than I've ever been- I needed to hear those affirmations. I do have d-read or f-ear concerning an attack or death attempt due somehow to my daughters initiation- i am living in a safer, less accessible place now (part of the big changes) but because it has happened before-anyway, not like I am shaking in my boots about that and it is a light flutter-but one nontheless.
So have been reading my Durga Goddess on boundaries, making me remember the strength available when one realizes that perception away from illusion? Fairly comfortable in seclusion. PS Azalaksh, mentally sendin "soothing massage" for that transit rythmogram.

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posted October 25, 2006 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Pluto Poem (copyright)
by tuxedo meow

Who would look for a little girl there?
So the worst became the best
Cold, damp iron smell of the water pipes
Enclosed and dark
The pipes take up odd space
so
the little girl must be odd to fit
what space is left

A small part of her rages:
"always, always sacrifice!
cold endurance! Who are those that
get the warm? Warm smiles warm voices
warm cookies warm touch warm beddy-by?"

She becomes silence
yet
her dances
heart-joy

joy's feather fan
waves over the coals and ashes
bringing fire light smoke
INSIDE

Instinctively she seeks
Instinctively she sends
Her hope, her self
to
The Lady and the Light
Guardians she does not see
Still imaginary friends

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posted October 25, 2006 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, also Jenfullmoon! and a Plutonian welcome!

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posted October 25, 2006 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like your poem, TM!! And thanks for that "soothing massage" re: bumpy transits -- I send the same back to you with your tPluto conj nMoon and tSaturn opp nVenus..... but you've got some nice ones in the works too, like tNeptune almost conj nVenus Are you in a committed relationship at this time?? Transiting Venus and Mars are only a few minutes off exact conjunction in the skies at this moment.....

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posted October 25, 2006 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tux ~

Here's to Us!! (from another Leo Rising) -- a thread on Pluto/Moon..... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008082.html

And here's the other "Pluto Club" thread I was thinking of..... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004589.html

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posted October 25, 2006 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

No committed relationship. Don't know how. S-elf seclusionary. issues. could be okay- i haven't even spoken to anyone on purpose for months-phone often turned off- Maybe the universe will clean out the issues if they are faced. id as soon not bear more pain. So, Eeyore'in here LOL... Thank you for showing some nice influences and sharing sights and Pluto!
The Grandmothers said I would marry in middle age to a man who was understanding and passionate and it would be good. How, I'd like to know? Better call the housekeeping crew!
Pluto is more fun as Mickey's dog than as that cold iron metal!

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posted October 25, 2006 07:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys! A bit off subject here, but I must say I really dig those chart rhythmograms! Not to much Plutonian activity in mine right now at all, but, yikes, y'all should see my Uranus spikes right now!!
Oh and to steer back toward the subject a lil bit... I've Pluto in my 4th house so i'm a fellow-Pluto-Water-houser

P.S. Tux that was a lovely poem!!

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

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posted October 28, 2006 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YIKES!
SPIKES!
Azalaksh-the "to illustrate what you can live through" Let's just say this- donwannanomore! Flashed on a scene a few years back where 'one more thing' had me running barefoot and nightgowned thru sticker burrs into the S Texas brush (everything either bites, stings, sticks, scratches, rips) hiding and howling. literally. survived. revived. of course.
Later on the night-of-the-bush howl i climbed out and took care of what needed to be done even though only a temporary ribbon of my s-elf. Anyway donwannomore! LOL! My Pluto Leo ascend-cat licking old wounds in pluto places...I would like the Leo portrait on myastrologybook.com to be my icon. Not that it shows a Leo licking! Hexxie and Azalaksh glad you liked the poem

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posted October 28, 2006 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YIKES!
SPIKES!
Azalaksh-the "to illustrate what you can live through" Let's just say this- donwannanomore! Flashed on a scene a few years back where 'one more thing' had me running barefoot and nightgowned thru sticker burrs into the S Texas brush (everything either bites, stings, sticks, scratches, rips) hiding and howling. literally. survived. revived. of course.
Later on the night-of-the-bush howl i climbed out and took care of what needed to be done even though only a temporary ribbon of my s-elf. Anyway donwannomore! LOL! My Pluto Leo ascend-cat licking old wounds in pluto places...I would like the Leo portrait on myastrologybook.com to be my icon. Not that it shows a Leo licking! Hexxie and Azalaksh glad you liked the poem

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posted November 01, 2006 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the radio show i was on was called STARTALKERS www.stariq.com Show67 on January 17, 2005. This show with Jawer & Levine was what got me onto the Plutonian info frenzy-
I used the nickname "blaze'

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posted July 01, 2007 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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