posted February 23, 2005 02:06 AM            

Do you other strong pluto peeps feel this to be true?....

I have Pluto conjunct my Ascendant within 2 degrees in my first house. It shares that house with my Uranus in Libra Singleton (my only air sign).

That Pluto Ascendant conjunction forms a very strong square to my Sun in Sagittarius in my 4th house (as well as my IC) It also forms a less tense square to my Venus in the 3rd house.

I would say that I am in Intense person and can me more or less intense depending on how I feel. When I am "on" meaning, when I want to get involved, there is no mistaking my presence and people will either really like me or hate me. Sometimes I can be very intimidating (even on a message board, but more so when I am in person). I have an intense stare -with pretty dark eyes (sometimes they are more amber in color which tends to freak people out)

I love emotionally intense people, but I am very wary of nervous or twitchy people. If someone is constantly bouncing around in my presence it drives me nuts. I like the more grounded, laid back person- that is mysterious, yet right beneath the surface there is a volcano of emotions and experience trying to bust out.

Sometimes my intensity is hidden by that Pluto / Asc conjunction being in Virgo. I come across first as being more quiet, analytical and collected- but some people can sense there is a heck of alot more beneath the surface...

OKAY..here is a question-

Do you other Pluto dominant types (Pluto in the 1st or 5th or 8th, Pluto making hard / strong aspects to sig planets..etc) do you find that you are ALSO attracted to those people that have strong Pluto in their charts?

Do you need that intensity that creeps below the surface in that person? How much is too much? I had a friend that was another Pluto conjunct Asc (his was in the 12th house though) and he had a Mars in Leo singleton in his 12th house (needless to say he was CRAZY) and was too intense.

okay...comments...? LOL

posted February 23, 2005 04:26 AM              

Yeah I think that's definetly true. There was something about that in that astroclub.com site..actually hang on I'll look it up, oops astrologyclub.org that is.. under Pluto singleton.

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Power is certainly a big issue with Pluto, but it can manifest in many different ways. A conscious individual of integrity or another Plutonian person will almost always like the singleton Pluto person. People with guilt complexes or who are self-deceptive and self-righteous (and a lot of that is going on these days with Pluto in Sagittarius!), will hate the Plutonian.

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posted February 23, 2005 08:17 AM              

Now the past few years i have been slowing getting into touch with it. Most of the time i feel like a pot of boiling water inside but on the surface i am very poised and subdued. Sometimes i feel like i am going to explode!I didn't used to be attracted to intense types but the more i let my pluto show through the more intense types i seem to be attracting. The trouble is i can barely manage the intensity within myself let alone another pluto type.

posted February 23, 2005 09:16 AM              

I also have the Sun and Mars conjunct in the 5th house and my Uranus in Scorpio is a singleton twice (2nd house). It's my only water planet and it's unaspected.

I'm intense! OK?!!

My two best friends and my favourite Aunt are all Scorpios. I like Scorpio people a lot in general. But I notice, both my Aunt and 1 of my best friends have a lot of air in their chart. My other friend is a triple Scorpio! Heh.

My bf has Scorpio rising and Uranus conj. his Asc in the first house. He is one of the most intimidating physical presences. He's very tall and his eyes are penetrating and he looks and is, very strong and just generally not-to-be-messed-with. He looks like Robocop, hahaha. Or sometimes in uniform he looks like the evil liquid Terminator from Terminator 2 You just can't tell what he's thinking most of the time. He is the perfect, detatched cop... he has a very Scorpionic image he upholds. Of course, he's a Pisces and he's extremely sensitive and extremely intense.

My ex-husband was a Pisces with Venus and Mars in Pisces and an Aries moon and while his intensity was not Plutonian, he is a storm of emotionality in every way you can think of.

Lookswise, I look much more like a Scorpio rising than I do Libra. G is blonde and blue eyed and long limbed and tall. I think thats due to Uranus on his Ascendant, and interestingly, he's the tallest in his family and the fairest, everyone else has brown hair. I think it's Uranus that did this! Or maybe the postman, hahaha. But he definitely has the Scorpio eyes, the death stare (lol... i have it too), jawline, nose, etc (as do I) and physical strength.

posted February 23, 2005 09:18 AM              

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just because you need to have someone who isn't scared by your intensity, but who can explore those depths with you

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posted February 23, 2005 09:53 AM            

You may remember that I have Leo rising with Pluto in the 1st conjunct my Asc. Pluto trines my Sun in the 9th, and makes an out-of-element trine to my Moon/Jupiter conjunction in Cappy, in my 5th house. Got that?

I have a reputation for being blunt. People sometimes laugh and say, "Trillian, tell us how you really feel!"

Intense stare? Yup. I can be perceived as having strong Scorpio energy. I can turn off and on that Leo rising. I do not suffer fools gladly; like you, I prefer somewhat grounded people who can have a rousing academic argument w/o resorting to childish behavior. Intimidating? I dunno...perhaps to those who are weak of spirit, but at heart I am kind if not always nice, and I think this too is also perceived by others.

I do prefer intensity in my relationships. But I have to note that I have absolutely no planets in air signs in my chart--but I have Uranus in the 12th also conjunct my Asc., and I have Uranus on the cusp of the 7th. I note this because the most intense, passionate, binding relationship of my life (so far) has been with a man who is Sun, Venus, and Mars in Gemini, moon in Sag.
Perhaps it's that will 'o the wisp quality that hooked me, perhaps it's all that air fulfilling something I don't have. Dunno.

posted February 23, 2005 01:36 PM            

Trillian..you and I are so much alike - even if we feel differently about certain subjects, that same intensity is present.

I am also drawn to more sensitive types, but that whole Power thing is important to me.. Not power in the sense of some corporate dork that gets off on telling people what to do..It is that quiet power of a man that KNOWS what he wants...but when I see cracks in the vase at times, it can unnerve me..then I have to tell myself "Hey we are all human.."

Suzy-que

I think to handle the energy of another Pluto dominant type, you have to understand your own..which can be scary.. In that I mean, people are always afraid of their own power or some abuse it. But to neglect it is worse because it will find a way out..like a volcano.

I started another thread about testing games. I have found that Mr. Taurus pushes me to my limits. Some of that is our own Plutonian power. His Pluto in Libra conjunct my Uranus Singleton. My Pluto and ASC conjunct his Moon.

posted February 23, 2005 02:35 PM              

I seem to draw different kinds of people into my life, but those who dare to stay, are all Plutonic. And YES, they are the people I love best. Predominantly Pluto in the 1st/8th. or conj. Sun or Moon. Or they have Scorpio Moon.

I don't care much of what's happening on the surface. Or people who lack drive, integrity, opinion, fire. Interestingly I hardly ever feel tested by the Plutonics.

posted February 23, 2005 09:36 PM              

I find other Pluto people no less intriguing.

The intensity found in Pluto-type folks makes my knees turn to jelly. That, along with piercing intelligence, usually does a fine job of turning me on.
Given that it's in my house of the hidden, perhaps I love to see its subtle shine in others.

I don't know if I can really be described as Plutonian, though.
It's in my 12th House (though that house belongs to my Sun's sign, Pisces); I have a Scorp Asc, so it's my chart ruler; and it's only non-generational aspect is a quincunx to my Sun.
So...*shrugs*

posted February 23, 2005 11:57 PM              

I love the sexuality of Pluto, but Pluto is my 8th right now, which is a destructive influence towards boundaries, marriages, institutions, friendships, I am constantly destroying old relationships these days and building new ones, but it's painful.

I have to detach and plug in to more Neptunian things, illusions, music, peace and quiet. I feel a harsh tension under everything and I have no pity or sympathy for myself or others as I do usually. If I know someone who is lying, I am very angry right away and take action.

Usually I get angry but I don't do anything about it, nowadays any lying sickens me literally, and I attract others who have Moon or Sun conjunct Pluto.

Friends with strong Plutos become enemies quickly and stay mad a long time. That's the problem with me, a harsh word and then it's testing time.

Right now a Moon trine Pluto, Venus square Pluto, is angry at me, it's like walking up to a bomb and waiting for it to go off in my face, I can't imagine making that angry and living in the same area. I get scared just thinking of all that power. It makes me sick to my stomach to cope with it. I'm such a Taurus!

My 8th house moon, and Pluto conjunct Jupiter/Uranus/10th house trine Sun, do not compare to the power of a True Plutonian or Scorpio Moon individual. I get too nervous and sick to my stomach over that kind of conflict, yet it's that conflict that makes people rich and fulfilled overall.

My ex has Scorpio Mercury as his ruler, with Saturn in the 8th. He really scares people sometimes, and taught me how to face others and deal with conflict to make a profit and live my life.

He used to say, watching me avoid conflict,
how do you live? But that's why I had him!
I always like at least one Plutonian friend, but I can't handle more than one in a room at a time, and I have to be nice to everyone that person knows, and no gossip.

My poor merc opposite mars wants talk without conflict, why do some people talk about heavy subjects in a light hearted manner? I can't do that, if it's heavy I act that way, I just can't talk about deep subjects in a light way..

I don't know if this is Pluto either, but have you ever noticed someone who doesn't talk? Just makes gestures to communicate? Such as rolling eyes, throwing up hands, gritting teeth, slamming things down, or staring at you right in the eyes and tapping or moving around anxiously? I am sure this is a Pluto trait, because it's very unsettling and yet when I say anything about the behaviour it sounds like I am trying to keep it away from me. I suppose the best way to address this kind of behaviour is to forget about why and ask that it stop because of the reactions of others.

I don't think Pluto people know their reaction on others unless I say something, just like Mercury people do not know how much they fidget in a room, and make others nervous. I feel I am constantly monitoring the emotional barometer of a room and it gets to me, times are I can tell instantly how many Scorpios, Geminis, and Pisces are in a room just by watching, and that is why Lately I am enjoying be alone with a few close friends and not group socializing.

Too unsettling and then I become numb to my friends, I would have to be drunk to cope, and then along comes a Scorpio and I am really nervous. I used to be much more social, but then Pluto/8th house came along,
very soon it will be in the 9th.
I can't wait!

posted February 24, 2005 03:55 PM            

I have been asked before if I am a Scorp..I even had one person swear on it, but it was just that conjunction.

Aen- I also have a 4th house Sun, but my intensity still peeks out. It could also be that my chart ruler (being a Virgo rising) is Mercury, so I do move quickly and gracefully (until my Archer self trips) LOL..

Natasha,

GOOD FOR YOU!!!! You really don't need any work (and that is the honest truth). You are beautiful and I cannot imagine how you would improve on those looks.

You are also right about the histrionics of the Plutonian person. I can convey exactly what I am thinking with a simple squint, glare or smirk. I have had friend say "Oh now what did I say that was wrong". I don't even know that I am doing it at times and will say "What do you mean"... they answer "You just gave me that - Damn you just said the dumbest thing I have ever heard- look"...

hee hee...I have learned to control it, because I was giving too much of myself away and certain other people could read it - not good in a bluffing or business situation.

I am surrounded by Plutonian types. My mom is a Scorp rising with a Loaded 8th house. My brother has a Scorp moon in his 8th house along with Pluto in his 7th house. My dad doesn't have any planets in Scorp or in his 8th house..BUT he does have a Pluto singleton in Leo in the 7th house.

Oddly enough..even my brother's family is Plutonian- his Wife is a Scorp with a Scorp rising (Sun in the 12th house- Asc conjuncting her Mercury in Scorp in the 1st house). She has NO earth and neither does my brother.

Their first Son is also a Scorp with a Taurus Moon (An Earth Singleton). His Sun conjunct his Scorp Mercury..in the 8th house.

Lastly their newest Son..He is an Aquarius Sun - SCORP moon..LOL - which, like my brother, is in his 8th house. He has a loaded 12th house..and like the rest of the family Has NO Earth- not even a singleton.

I guess the other thing to look at when we are thinking about Plutonian people and their relationships- is how much of the others affect them..

In that I mean- in synastry- do we not only see the Plutonian interactions / placements with the Pluto types, but do we also see a strong magnestism between two people whose planets highlight Pluto's House or where one persons natal Pluto affects the other?

posted February 24, 2005 10:40 PM            

I do agree though that pluto attracts pluto...i can't escape scorpios, my scorpio moon draws them in a like a magnet, I grew up with a scorpio brother, and scorp asc father.....then i went to college and had a scorp roommate for 2 years, now my boss and 3/7 coworkers are now coworkers. I can't really date scorpios though, somethings wrong with the chemistry....

posted February 24, 2005 10:50 PM              

I'd say I can be intense. And I attract alot of intense people and situations. Mainly Scorpions or people with Pluto in the first. It's always fun.

posted February 25, 2005 09:02 AM              

Very Plutonian person, he really brought me down sometimes because sometimes a sigh is just a sigh, and he calls sometimes and hang up on me just to teach me that he can...
he swears I am doing it to him, actually I am, in his head, but imagination is not the same as reality especially when it's not his or mine, it's just, what could be?

Pluto is about the other senses, it's deep. It's what you have when you are blind, deaf, dumb, tone deaf, colour blind, and can't taste or smell. You develop another sense and you see people in shades of gray, bad or good. Then Pluto creates anger because it does not want to be close to all that new feeling, and information.
how to get rid of those senses better left alone?

The best way to avoid a Pluto moment is to indulge in the other senses-so Taurus is the perfect counterpart.

My ex b/f is always around Taurus people, it functions, one person has the outer senses, one person has the inner ones.

Thanks Pidua, tell Mr. Taurus that people are never really happy with cosmetic surgery and the medications they give you make you very depressed afterwards for weeks. The nose thing I could see but the body love handles, that will melt away in time, let him do body work when he's over 40-he's got plenty of time. As for his nose, maybe he just needs to have a septoplasty, where they straighten the septum, a GP/ENT, his own doctor can do that in most cases, and leave the tip of the nose untouched.

He will breathe, sleep, and taste things better,now that mine is straight, I can finally taste things I couldn't for years. I had to depend on what other people's reactions were to foods, to decide if I liked it or not!

I have done my research, but any surgeon can straighten the top. There is some bruising for about a week, and then you can do work, after that. No exercising for three weeks. Insurance will pay for it, as it can happen several times over your lifetime. Once you start with little surgical touch ups, it never stops because plastic surgeons always make you feel so bad, the waiting rooms are filled with beautiful people, you just don't want to be there. All the women are under 30, and already having fat injections in their face. After babies you lose fat so they are wasting money.

I was thinking about laser hair removal though, where they take off all your hair forever with two-three treatments, I hate waxing. It cost about $1500 though, and again it's a little thing. I have to pay for one more surgery on my nose as they could not complete all the work in one surgery, and I will have my chin augemented with a local. I had a twist in my nose and that was one surgery, it's stil not totally straight. I do look better already with a straighter nose, because I felt I looked like a boxer, I had a hanging droopy ball on the end that made me look older.

Now my eyes look much bigger.

posted February 25, 2005 11:07 AM              

My nose is Plutonian! It's because I look more like a Scorpio rising, than my Libra rising. Someone posted a link to a site a ways back that had all these celebrities by rising sign. I didn't look like any of the Libra risings. But I looked exactly like a Scorpio rising - Scorp risings have piercing eyes, high cheekbones/angular faces and strong noses.

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Have you noticed that you tend to replace members of your family with friends/lovers of the same signs?

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posted February 25, 2005 04:32 PM              

Call Dr. Becker,
here's his website, he is in NJ, there are a few good ones in L.A, and SF too..but go with the best or you'll be sorry even for a little change, http://www.therhinoplastycenter.com/
People all over the world go to him,
I am thinking of having my tip done there,
You can email the doctor with what you like and do not like about your nose with photos and he will get back to you.

I know Pluto/Sag/Taurus face here,
long narrow nose, big mouth! I will never look like Meg Ryan ever, but that's okay.

posted February 25, 2005 07:34 PM            

Yep..I think I understand that Pluto thing your friend does when that inner sense gets out of hand. Sometimes it is very hard to handle...

I love the power of Pluto- but at times when I am sensing things or absorbing things like a sponge (Sun in the 4th house and Mars in Pisces- oh hell let's just add that Jupiter and Neptune in Scorp LOL)...I feel all those energies beneath the surface and I want to scream.

Trying to tell people their intentions before they do it has also led to big battles. Now, I have learned (like my Spiritual guide the Jaguar / Panther) to just stay quiet. Just learn..because like you said..sometimes a Sigh is just a Sigh.