posted October 20, 2006 08:18 PM            

My Scorpio planets are disposited by Mars in Aquarius....when using traditional rulerships. I believe traditional rulerships work like Stephen Arroyo and Robert Hand believe. My ntensity,willpower,transformation are connected to humanitarianism,activism,civil/equal/human rights. My Uranus is my oriental planet and it's unspected. Therefore,the Uranus energy is free to do whatever it wants without interference from other planets. Noel Tyl says that unaspected planets run away with the horoscope. Oriental planet is said to do with vocation. The themes of those configurations are backed up by my Ascendant square Mars/Pluto midpoint, Uranus conjunct Mercury/Ascendant midpoint,my Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint,my Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint,my Sun conj Jupiter/Pluto midpoint,Sun square Pluto/Midheaven midpoint,Ascendant square Uranus/Node midpoint as well as Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus midpoint. My Eris sextile Midheaven and my Mercury biquintile Eris probably fits in with that whole theme too.

The thing that I hate about most about Astrology is when people look at a person's chart and says how bad they are and point out their indicators like Mars square Pluto means that they are violent and dangerous and Venus conj Neptune in Scorpio means that they are pedophiles. I was definitely expressing my opinions when a lady was talking about John Karr's chart. She just judged by the birthdate and said that it was a killer's chart. I searched and found that an actor had the same birthdate. Yes...I posted that info in the astrology group. Also...the charges in the Jon Benet case were dropped. The DNA didn't match him. There are astrologers who said that Scorpios were bipolar and have drastic mood swings. Of course, I got said something about that...just about shouldn't be generalizing. I also pointed out that intensity,passion,and being emotional has nothing to do with being bipolar. I even pointed that irritability is a symptom of depression,anxiety,and not just mania...according to the Diagnostic Statistical manual of mental disorders. One astrologer gave me crap,I said the hell with it...I left the group...I left all the groups that astrologer was in.

A lot of astrologers will pidgeonhole people with their charts. But yeah....astrological generalizations are big pet peeve of mine as well as saying a person has a bad chart or trying to fit the chart to fit the person. I don't judge people by their charts. Even when I do readings, I ask people questions to see if they can relate to that stuff. I put my information into a question. I don't want to seem arrogant to assume. I also use words like might,could,or the possibility of. I don't like to make definite statements like you are nor statements like you should. I don't like doing stuff like that. I don't want to come across as a judgmental,condescending astrologer. I have seen quite a few astrologers are condescending and talk down to people. I even said..if Astrology was all about judging people, I would give it all up. Honestly, I am kinda glad that Astrology is not recognized...especially by mental health community. Not to mention...they can't distinguish the chart of a person who is learning disabled or have neurological problem from somebody who has a mental illness. The symptoms often overlap.

posted October 20, 2006 08:29 PM            

I want to point out that the use of the term peregine by Noel Tyl and his followers is for the unaspected status of a planet by ptolemaic aspect by a planet. I have his book,SYNTHESIS AND COUNSELING which is over 800 pages. According to that definition,my Uranus is peregrine. Noel Tyl says that peregrine planets run away with the horoscope..meaning drives itself into prominence in the life reality of the individual. That is the case with my "peregrine" Uranus. I won't go into detail. Lets just say that I have never fit the norms of society whether it was my being multiethnic,being in special education,my Dyslexia/Dyspraxia,not fitting the male stereotypes,and I am very liberal with a rebel streak. People told me that I am weird,and I don't even try to be. Another thing,my hair tend to have a lot of static when I wore my hair in a dry afro. I had problems with electrical equipment. Copiers would break down on me when I was reproducing messages in the navy. I feel that my Mars in Aquarius is part of that but it being disposited by "peregrine" Uranus even more so. My Uranus is oriental for it's the last planet that rose before my Sun. It is said to be a guiding planet and figure strongly into vocation. Could be good for Astrology and activism(learning disabilities,psychiatry). I am definitely freespirited. I am unpredictable and spontaneous. I am definitely very restless with much nervous tension. I have 11th harmonic pattern involving Uranus that adds to that theme. 11th harmonic is said by some to correlate with Aquarius.

I have strong affinity with Aquarians. I have been involved with a couple of Aquarian women. Of course, my Aries gal is the best for me. My Moon conjunct Mars,Mercury square Mars,and my Venus square Mars has affinity with her Arian nature just like her Scorpio Moon,Moon conj Pluto,Mars oppose Pluto,Mercury quindecile Pluto,Venus quindecile Pluto,and Pluto sesquiquadrate Ascendant has affinity with my Scorpion nature.

posted October 20, 2006 11:53 PM              

Well thank you for enlightening us lesser beings here Glaucus...I fail to understand the point of your sarcasm by the way...

posted October 21, 2006 12:29 AM            

pixelpixie,

I am not banned. Thanks for your well wishes and kind words. Things like that are always appreciated. I am always one of those people who respond very positively to positive things that people say just like I respond very negatively to negative things that people say. Thanks again for your kind words.

lotusheartone,

thanks for your kind words and compliments too.

Geminilover75,

Thanks for understanding about Mars in Aquarius. It's not a real easy placement...especially with its rebellious,liberal,unpredictable energy and actions. My Mars is part of an 11 harmonic(Aquarius)pattern with Mercury,Saturn,Uranus,and Ascendant. I used to anger my parents and people in the navy a lot because I was one that tend to talk back,retort,and be in rebuttal.
I think my Mercury biquintile Eris reflects that too. I am convinced that Eris has to do with stirring things up for better or worse. I am very sure that's what Eris is in Astrology as well as multidimensional,spirituality,transformation
being an outerbody that orbits well beyond Pluto.

from my midpoint report

Uranus conjuncts my Mercury/Ascendant midpoint and oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint due to my 11th harmonic pattern of Ascendant,Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Uranus.

Uranus=Mercury/Ascendant Natal
One may have a very bright and highly intelligent way of thinking, although there is a tendency to think individually -- not the same as the masses. Thus, there is a rebellious quality to the way one expresses the self. This also relates to a sibling who may be intelligent yet a rebel at heart. Many geniuses have this energy, denoting their ability to have self-referral and channel thought. This also relates to clairvoyants and astrologers, and anyone in the high tech industry who uses advanced forms of communication. The energy in this location can be highly volatile, or there can be problems with electricity or lightening in this place.

Uranus=Mars/Saturn Natal
Sudden changes that are brought about due to the need to free oneself from old conditioning or patterns that no longer serve are manifestations of this energy. There could be sudden spasmodic changes that occur when one doesn't move forward at a fast enough speed, which is necessary for the soul's advancement. There could be mechanical problems; there could be a fender bender or a full on accident if this energy is not used correctly. On the positive side of this, there could be something new coming in through the purchase of a new car, or there could be the building of new structures. One usually takes the path of least resistance with this, thus it leaves one with the need to progress and grow beyond whatever limitation's life has offered. If an accident takes place, then energy has been blocked, which denotes veering off one's spiritual path; thus, one is redirected to a new road to follow. This veering off of the path causes limitations in action which can change one's situation suddenly and without warning.

posted October 21, 2006 04:30 AM              

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I feel that you focus on just sunsigns in Astrology that you're not doing real Astrology. You will just judge people by their sunsigns and don't see the rest of them. It's like judging people by the color of their skin or by their gender

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posted October 21, 2006 12:31 PM            

I also have a packed 3rd house which is strong emphasis on communications,processing information in general

Sun in Scorpio near 3rd house
Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd
Venus in Scorpio in 3rd
Jupiter in Sagittarius in 3rd
Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd
I have Virgo Ascendant and Gemini Midheaven
Saturn in Gemini in 9th
3rd house ruler(Pluto)in 1st and 1st house ruler(Mercury)in 3rd

I even have the asteroid Hermes(named after Greek version of Mercury) on my Moon.

I don't think that I am intellectually superior to anybody. A matter of fact, I grew up feeling the opposite because of my history of Dyslexia and Dyspraxia which I didn't understand until 2003 as well as my special education experiences.

Ascendant is how you come across, and with Virgo Ascendant, I can come across a bit critical and perfectionist but also am self critical and wanting to improve and compensate

well..that's what many of us learning disabled do. We are very critical of our selves and we don't like making mistakes. We think of ourselves as stupid when we make mistakes. When we accomplish things,we think that it's just luck. When we fail at things, we think of ourselves as stupid. We compensate for our weaknesses with the strengths that we have. Most of all,we underestimate our intelligence. Dr. Levinson said that Dyslexics often feel dumb. He says that the smarter a Dyslexic is,the dumber he feels. I guess it's because the smarter we are,the more aware we are..especially of our problems. We are very aware that we processing information differently and our weaknesses and come up with strategies to cover them up. We hide in a closet to keep others from knowing our true selves. That's what I did for many years. I kept my special education a secret from so many people. You can say that my Mercury-Venus in Scorpio in 3rd reflects my secrets in regards to early education.

Being multiethnic wasn't easy for me. A lot of people gave me a hard time about my background. There were a lot times, I wished that I was white like my mom and didn't have such frizzy hair. As a little kid,I wondered if I was adopted because I wasn't same color as my mom. I know that's pathetic. It's the truth. It makes me wonder how many multiethnic children have felt that way. I was used to be called "confused" by many blacks because of my mixed background as well as being forced to fit in a black box. I grew up with half japanese stepsisters too. My grandparents referred to our family as United Nations to my mom when he showed the picture of our family. We all laughed. That's how I would describe my family - United Nations.
I would say that my multiethnic background and my history as a special needs child help me to treat others like I want to be treated. My Moon in Pisces in 6th,Jupiter-Sagittarius in 3rd,Saturn in Gemini in 9th t-square indicates learning the hard way about prejudice,bigotry and overcoming all that to be tolerant and broadminded and accepting of others through my difficulties of being "special","confused",and not fitting the male stereotype to the point of being called "faggot" ...actually not fitting any stereotypes.
It's no wonder that I was born in one of the most liberal cities in USA, San Francisco which was where my parents met. I find that interesting synchronicities. My Sun conj Black Moon Lilith(23 minutes of arc),Mercury parallel Black Moon Lilith,and Venus parallel Black Moon Lilith are intense,passionate,nonconformist female energy which I have to keep in check. It could indicate my dealing with inner demons.

I have learned to be open about things. I feel that being open,I am coming forward and raising awareness of others like me. Hopefully,they will be better understood. Before I was,very secretive and closed off like my Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio in 3rd. Now,I am very open like my Jupiter and Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd

posted October 21, 2006 07:33 PM            

Before, I just know about Sun signs, and I believed a bit in what Sun sign readings said (I was young lool).. ^_^; But then I grew up.. and also got myself more and more interested about astrology (researching about various astrology stuffs).. And later, I discovered so many things I didn't know about, that are so interesting!
I'm not a total believer of astrology, and I don't trust everything I read completely.. But I like it, as it gave me lotsa insights..
But one thing is true: if people are just about Sun signs.. Then in this world there are just 12 types of people.. And imagine.. if a random newspaper's astrology forecast says that Aries will have financial problems, then does that means that every Aries in the world gonna have the same luck (since it's all about Sun signs lool)?? :P

Btw, these newspaper forecasts remembers me something.. People who claims to be liberal and intelligent and says that Astrology is just crap, they normally just think of astrology as something that is just resumed to those simple and generalized forecasts, or either got the idea that since astrology is normally viewed as "only average people that doesn't have a mind and believe in those newspaper forecast craps would be interested in it", so that they'd claim as liberal and intelligent enough to not to commit "the same mistake as those stupid people".. ~.~; I found these people are a bit dumb to actually think like this.. For me, saying that something is crap just coz it seems to be negatively viewed by the society it's not very liberal and intelligent.

posted October 21, 2006 08:59 PM            

I understand. I am not one of those that believe in things easily myself. I have Saturn in Gemini in 9th. Like I said,I used to be a skeptic of Astrology. It was my grandfather's suicide in 1998 that opened up the door to my metaphysical journey.

I don't believe in newspaper horoscopes at all. I really am telling you the truth. The y are just way too general for me.

I actually do try to be diplomatic like my Mercury conjunct Venus in 3rd suggests but it is in Scorpio and the conjunction is square Mars which indicates passion and intensity.
I get very touchy when it comes to sunsign generalization stuff and other things. I also admit that I took it too personal. After all,I am a Scorpio and I am in a relationship with an Aries. She and I are very compatible. We are a lot alike and have very much in common. At first,she believed in the Scorpio and Aries didn't mix stuff either based on superficial sunsign Astrology stuff that she read. She understands that we have good compatibility with having compatibile Moons and Ascendants as well as overall harmonious aspects in our synastry. She didn't know about aspects and house placements until I told her. I explained things in depth to her. I didn't want her to judge our compatibility by just our sunsigns because I know that's not the whole picture. It didn't take her long to understand that. She agreed that she and I are much alike and have a lot in common. Now she doesn't care what Astrology says. She tells me that I am stuck with her,and I respond that we are stuck with each other. She and I feel a strong soul connection to each other. Astrology shows that and even Numerology does(her soul urge number is the same number as my expression number as well as birthday is the same number of my personality number and my lifepath number).We are so happy that we found each other. There is no way we let incompatible signs keep us from being apart. also...In spite of our Suns being in incompatible signs,Her Sun in Aries triseptile my Sun in Scorpio with 23 minutes of arc. Triseptile is a 7th harmonic. According to Robert Hand,7th harmonic series of aspects have a Uranus-Neptune flavor,energy linkings not entirely of this world,creative inspiration,but also mental and emotional difficulties and tenuous connectedness with the physical universe as well as religion. In spite of our Mercuries being in incompatible signs,her Mercury in Aries biquintile my Mercury in Scorpio with 1'07 orb. Biquintile is 5th harmonic. According to Robert Hand,5th harmonic series of aspects have quality similar to that associated with Pluto,with overtones of Venus and Mars:some kind of concrete creation of destruction is effected as well as intellectual functions(not excluding emotion)and all especially human matters as well as transformational change,and the ability to express creative inspiration(due to other factors)in concrete creations. We relate very easily with each other too. Her Pisces Ascendant oppose my Virgo Ascendant with 16 minutes of arc indicates that we are natural partners for each other for our Descendants conjunct each other Ascendnats.That's a traditional marriage aspect in Astrology. Her Moon in Scorpio conjunct my Sun in Scorpio with 3'56 orb is one of the traditional marriage aspects in Astrology. Her Moon in Scorpio trine my Moon in Pisces with 1'47 orb,and that indicates that indicates a high degree of emotional compatibility and easily feeling comfortable with each other. We are very sensitive to each other's feelings and care about each other. She and I are very connected.

Sabian Symbol for her Sun in Aries triseptile my Sun in Scorpio(153'54 separation) is BLACK AND WHITE CHILDREN PLAY TOGETHER HAPPILY which is interpreted as the overcoming of sociocultural prejudices.

She is white, and I am part black. We are in interethnic relationship.

Sabian Symbol for her Mercury in Aries biquintile my Mercury in Scorpio(145'07 separation) is AFTER THE HEAVY STORM,A RAINBOW which is interpreted as linking above and below,the Covenant with one's divine nature,promise of immortality

Well..Astrology is about linking the sky and the earth and can be about understanding the divine nature..immortality is never dying...she and I have great communications that we want to talk to each forever.

You would never see all this if you just only focused on just our sunsigns.

our birthdata:

Me
October 29 1971
San Francisco,California
3:20 AM

posted October 21, 2006 11:37 PM            

Listen I know things got all jacked up yesterday, I hope it's all water under the bridge by now.

Anyway, I saw your last post and the birth data for you and your girl. I almost fell on the floor!

That ex-husband I mentioned...

his birthday is October 29 1969

My birthday is March 31, 1963

posted October 22, 2006 12:29 AM            

I agree. I should have just said "stuff". I shouldn't have used the word "crap" because that ignites hostility. However,nobody can please everybody though. Opinions are like anuses. Every one has one. People expressed their opinions,and I expressed mine. It's not like everybody here chastised me for what I said either. I did have people that agreed with me. Opinions and views are relative any way imho.John Brown was seen as a terrorist,criminal by southerners in USA before the Civil War days,but he was seen as a hero,freedom fighter by northerners and slaves in USA. John Brown was against slavery and so he wanted to liberate slaves. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was thrown into jail many times for breaking laws. Those were the Jim Crow laws that oppressed blacks. Those were rules that were meant to be broken and get rid of.Some people think Michael Jackson is a child molester,and some people think that he's just an innocent naive person. Some people think OJ killed his exwife,Nicole,and some people think that he didn't. Some believe that Andrea Yates is a sick woman who needs medical care for killing her children,but some believe that she is an evil woman who should be put to death. There often seems to be a fine line between insanity and evil. Many believe Adolf Hitler was evil,and many believed that he was a madman. Some people see President Bush as a great leader who is doing everything that he can fight terrorism,and some see President Bush as a hitler. It all comes down to one's point of view. We all tend to see things from different angles. None of us can agree on one thing. That's why we have so many religions and divisions in certain religions on our planet.My own religious beliefs are mainly Neopaganism,New Age,Unitarian Univeralism.
Some believe Astrology has to do with cause and effect, and some believe that Astrology has to do with synchronicity instead.

The thing is that Astrology is viewed as pseudoscience by the majority. It is not recognized and respected like regular science is. Astrology is not taught in most educational institutions. Honestly,generalizations and judgements about sunsigns can really hurt the credibility of Astrology. A lot of people are misunderstood and mistreated out of prejudice which is often based on ignorance. I know this personally with my being called "retard" by normal children because I was in special education,had speech,and coordination problems which are connected to my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. I was often called a "faggot" because I don't fit the male stereotype. I really get angry with with the gender generalizations. I hate when females make generalizations about males,and I hate when males make generalizations about females. I have strong feminine characteristics,and I am not gay. I read that typical females have even index and ring fingers and that typical males have ring fingers that are longer than index fingers. Ring finger is sensitive to testosterone and index finger is sensitive to estrogen. Well..my index and ring fingers are even. So hand-wise,I don't fit the male stereotype. When people make statements about sunsigns or even certain aspects,I don't want to be pidgeonholed nor does anybody else for that matter. I don't even believe in cookbook interpretations and I don't use them in Astrology. They are only used as guidelines. They are not absolute. Planetary configurations can manifest in so many ways. I read a lot of stuff about how Moon square Neptune is a dreamer,spacecase,druggies,alcoholics. I have never done drugs nor do I drink alcohol. My Moon square Neptune is more about my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and special education...especially with my Neptune in 3rd house. A lot of astrologers don't seem to understand about learning disabilities and other neurodiverse conditions. The symptoms of many psychiatric disorders overlap with the characteristics of learning disabilities and neurodivergent conditions. For instance, poor coordination,left/right confusion,and disorganization are symptoms of schizophrenia,but they are also symptoms of Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Autistic Spectrum Disorders have been misdiagnosed as schizophrenia in the past. Auditory Processing Disorders have often been misdiagnosed as having attention disorders as well as being accused of not listening and being insensitive to what people are say as well as being slow or people telling them "get the wax out of your ears",people calling them "stupid" because they don't get it takes it awhile for them to understand which can make them so mad that they yell at them. That's how it was for me and other people with auditory processing issues. I have auditory processing issues related to my Dyslexia which was diagnosed when I was 4 years old after getting my speech and hearing tested. A lot of Dyslexics have a history of auditory processing issues and speech problems. I read about people saying that President Bush is stupid because they see has problems with his speech,but some suspect that he is Dyslexic because he has those speech issues(word retrieval). I have the same type of speech issues that he does,and I am Dyslexic. Those same people would think that I and many other Dyslexics with speech problems are stupid. There are some liberals that think conservatives are stupid because of their beliefs. There are conservatives that think liberals are stupid because of their beliefs. I have seen this same type of thinking in Astrology. Certain sunsign people thinking other certain sunsign people are a certain way. For instance, people talk about Scorpios being controlling,manipulating,and having sex a lot. That's not me. I am not a person is into controlling and manipulating people. I am very self expressive and communicative. I tell what's on my mind,and I can be very defensive too. I am also very quick to defend others too. That doesn't mean controlling and manipulating...especially if there is no intention. Another thing,I am not a person who sleeps around. I didn't even have sex until I was 22 yrs old. I wanted to wait until I got married,but I let my fellow US Navy influence me. I actually more into romance than sex.

I read about actual scorpions(animals),they are very timid creatures who don't sting unless messed with. I am very shy person myself,but if somebody messes with me, I can lose my temper and fight back hard.

Heck...I was very skeptical when I didn't know about Astrology. I think that more of a Piscean in nature..especially as a little child...it's when I get angry,my Scorpion traits show. My Gemini mother showed more Cancer and Scorpio traits. Of course, we have those placements in our charts.

Sometimes,it's best for me to keep my feelings to my self about things. Just not let things get to me. Yeah..I definitely didn't mean to offend people. I admit that I can be tactless and blunt at times,and I need to watch that. I like making friends and not enemies. A lot of times, I feel that I make things worse when I try to make points and defend myself. Being overly defensive can come across as being offensive and can make people feel uncomfortable with me. Sometimes, I am not even aware that I am doing because I am so caught up in the heat of passion which can blind me to reason.

I do apologize for what I said.

posted October 22, 2006 02:07 AM            

I apologize for what I said. I felt that I was a being a bit tactless. It was uncalled for. Like cappy said,there is a better way of saying things. I have been told that my communication styles sucks..that's when I am trying to make a point about stuff like slamming the hammer down into the nail hard but it cracks the wood so it defeats the whole purpose of nailing the hammer into the wood.

I thought that they were interesting coincidences. Your ex having the same birthday as me,and your birthday only 1 day after my girlfriend's as well as your birthyear ending with a 3 like hers.
I actually have the same birthdate as Winona Ryder. She was born on October 29, 1971 like me.

I got nosy,and I started looking at the synastry to see what aspects could reflect the problems in the relationship..especially looking for hard Mars,Saturn,and Uranus aspects due to anger/passion issues,the coldness,and the breakup after a short marriage....I use a 5 degree orb for synastry aspects. exceptions are:I use 2 degree orb for aspects that involve Uranus and Neptune. I use a 1 degree orb for aspects that involve Pluto. I also use declinations which are latitude coordinates of the celestial equator. I use 1 degree orb for declinations,and use half a degree orb for declinations that involve the outer planets.

Your exhusband has Sun oppose Saturn less than 2 degree orb,and that can indicate that his ego/self expression are at odds with his structure,discipline,stability...this aspect often indicates problems with the father in regards to Saturn issues like discipline,control,inhibition,strict,stern..his aspect can be insecurity.

Your Mars square that opposition to form a t-square which is a 4th harmonic triangle aspect pattern is a very challenging aspect configuration and can indicate great stress,conflict,and tension between you two. I really pay attention to the planetary geometry in Astrology. It's very important. This is what separates Modern Astrology from traditional Astrology and Vedic astrology. Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrologer are even more geometrically based because it's use of midpoints like A/B=C. tight t-squares can be midpoint configurations. for instance, I have Saturn-Neptune opposition,and Moon squares that opposition for a t-square. That means that Moon also opposes my Saturn/Neptune midpoint.

Your Mars square his Sun-Saturn opposition indicates that your actions,will,passions can be in conflict with his expressing his discipline,structure. Your independent,assertive Mars energy activates the control issues of his Sun-Saturn opposition.

hard aspects involving Mars and Saturn are not recommended in a synastry because they can indicate anger,frustration,and even violence. Saturn person might be too restricting,limiting,structured,serious,controlling
for Mars. Mars person might be too assertive,independent,aggressive,active for Saturn.

In traditional astrology,Mars and Saturn were considered the malefics. Hard aspects between these planets were seen as being big trouble.
Mars/Saturn midpoint is even called the death axis and destruction in Cosmobiology

according to the book,ASTROLOGY OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS,
A's Mars square B's Saturn - Difficulties in professional relationships of all kinds are indicated. The natives are likely to make unreasonable and inconsiderate demands on each other. The Saturn individual will try to exercise a restraining a influence on the Mars individual, which he or she will resent. The Saturn individual will, in turn, resent the Mars individual's aggressive attempts to initiate what the Saturn considers rash and impulsive actions and will regard these actions as a threat to status and security.
In general, the natives are apt to use bad timing in dealing with each other. This is not a favorable comparative aspect for friendships or cooperation in organizational group endeavors. There can be conflict and, possibly, lawsuits over corporate funds,insurance,inheritances,and alimony. Marital or parent-child relationships with this comparative square are likely to experience difficulties.

according to HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS,
keywords for Mars/Saturn - inhibited actions,inhibited anger,frustration,disciplined or concentrated energies,hard work,energy focused on narrow objectives,the ability to perform painstaking work. In charts of both sexes, often associated with difficult father relationships. In women's charts, often signifies difficulties with males in general.

Your Mars square his Sun which can indicate passion too but it can turn into aggression,anger too...a conflict of action/physical energy against self expression/ego....a clash of wills...fights

according to the book,ASTROLOGY OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS,
A's Sun square B's Mars - one of the most difficult of all comparative aspects,this can produce the most violent conflicts and disagreements. the level on which these are expressed depends on the nature of the individuals involved and on the overall comparison of the horoscope. In extreme cases,there can be physical combat. In general,the Mars native's aggressiveness and desires pose a threat to the Sun's native ego,while the Sun native's bossiness arouses rebellion and resentment in the Mar's Person. This is not a good comparative combination for business,professional,romantic,or marital relationships: the natives are likely to react to each other impulsively rather than thoughtfully, and a sense of competition can cause them to goad each other to extremes. However, if one native becomes passive and allows domination by the other, that person's psychological well-being will suffer.

according to HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS,
Keywords for Sun/Mars - the will,vitality,energy(particular for self-expression),the masculine side of the self,personal aggressiveness and self assertion. The ability to act and take the initiative.

His Saturn contraparallel his Venus which can indicate a structured,stable love,relationship but it can be restricted,limited love relationship...love can turn very cold,bitter...there could be a feeling of too many responsibilities as well as feeling controlled and can have hard time expressing affection with each other..I don't like seeing hard,challenging Venus-Saturn aspects in synastry...it's just ends up being very cold,restricted...Venus person feel like they really owe Saturn something. After all, Saturn is said to be the planet of karma in Astrology...it's glyph is the sickle,a reaping tool....for in karma, we reap what we sow.

according to the book,ASTROLOGY OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS,
A's Venus opposition Saturn - This comparative combination indicates cold,emotionally distant relationships, The natives are not voluntarily attracted to each other,although circumstances may force them into an association. In some cases, the association is based on ulterior motives, such as gaining money and status,rather than on genuine friendship and affection.
The Venus individual is likely to regard the Saturn individual as cold,harsh,unfeeling,insensitive,and disciplinarian. The Saturn individual may regard the Venus individual as lazy,superficial,and irresponsible.
This combination is not good for parent-child relationships because of the emotional distance and lack of understanding which it engenders. In social relationships,this combination tends to make for stiff,formal interactions. It is more suited to business and professional partnerships,providing both natives are mature enough to act in an honest,responsible way.
according to HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS,
Keywords for Venus/Saturn - love or the desire for comfort being disciplined or restricted by practical considerations. Coldness,inability to express love,sexual repression,perversion of love. art or creativity turned toward practical or commercial ends

contraparallel is similar to an opposition. It is an aspect in the declinations. When points are on the opposites of the celestial equator and within 1 degree orb,they are contraparallel

parallel is similar to a conjunction. It is an aspect in the declinations. When points are same side of the celestial equator and within 1 degree orb,they are parallel.

declinations are important..they help determine eclipses
Sun conjunct Moon is a New Moon.
Sun conjunct and parallel Moon is a Solar Eclipse.

Sun oppose Moon is a Full Moon.
Sun oppose and contraparallel Moon is a Lunar Eclipse.

Without declinations we wouldn't have seasons. the beginning of Spring is 00'00 Aries in ecliptic longitude and 00'00 in celestial equator latitude(declinations). So spring is actually the intersection of the ecliptic and celestial equator.

I use declinations and not just longitude coordinates. After all,sky is not 2dimensional. I believe in 3Dimensional view of Astrology. Astronomers measure the distances of stars by right ascension which is latitude coordinates of celestial equator. Other coordinate that I haven't mentioned are latitude coordinates of the ecliptic. So there are 4 coordinates that are used for the sky,but most astrologers only focus on ecliptic longitude which is the zodiac sign placements,and so I feel that Astrology is very incomplete because we are not using the other coordinates. Declinations are very important. I never look at chart without declinations.

I am a believer in free will. No matter how challenging a synastry,I feel that a relationship can work if both people put a lot of effort into the relationship. Like I said in another thread, I see hard,challenging aspects as just more effort needed to maximize potential. I have a humanistic,approach to Astrology.

I am well aware that a harmonious synastry doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship will work out. I feel that easy aspects can be about not needing much effort to maximize potential, but it can also mean not needing much effort to minimize potential as well. I have overall harmonious synastry with my girlfriend. I know that our harmonious synastry won't keep us together. I believe that it's the effort that we put into our relationship that will keep us together. I feel that's the main bottom line when it comes to relationships. I believe that all relationships are meant to be. For example, my Gemini mother and Capricorn father were only together for 3 years. My father was out of our lives when I was 1 yr old. I grew up never knowing him. So he is just pretty much a sperm donor. If they didn't get together,I wouldn't be born. Maybe his Pisces Moon and my Mom's Scorpio Moon helped them emotionally relate to each other. His Capricorn Sun,Mercury were in my mom's 7th house. My mother ended up marrying a Leo,and she never loved him. It was a marriage of convenience. It gave me a father figure. I had somebody that I grew up calling "Dad" My mom's mother and father weren't even together a year for it was sham of marriage. My mom's mother married my former Marine grandfather for his allotment check to help take care of her daughter. The good thing that came out of that marriage was my mother being born. My grandfather found his lifetime partner a few years later and had 4 children with her and was married to her until his suicide. My grandfather was a Cancer and had Pisces Moon like me as well as a Scorpio Ascendant. my mom's mother was an Aries Sun,and was born on March 29th. She was born on 29th day like me. She had Taurus Ascendant and Virgo Moon. my stepgrandmother has a Virgo Sun,Taurus Moon,Scorpio Ascendant.

Even though the marriage of Princess Diana and Prince Charles was hell which the synastry really reflected...their fixed grandcross. They were meant to be together...they brought 2 children into the world.

I really do believe that when a couple has a child together....dwelling on if the couple was meant to be together or not is irrelevant...if the couple didn't get together in the first place,the child wouldn't be born. Bringing a human being into the world is the most important experience that 2 people can share. Therefore, I feel that the relationship was meant to be.

I just feel that all relationships are meant to be because they all involve life lessons.

That's just my opinion.

That's why I wouldn't dare tell anybody that they should be with or shouldn't be with anybody regardless of what their synastry says...especially not based on sunsigns alone.

posted October 22, 2006 04:23 PM            

You know, my boyfriend is Portuguese while I was born in Macau and I'm a mixure of Macau, Portugal, Singapure and Malasya lool.. I believe in the possibility of different races comming together. ^_^ People shouldn't be generalized by skin color, origins or whatever else..

I liked that "She tells me that I am stuck with her,and I respond that we are stuck with each other." (sorry I dunno hoq to quote in forums T_T )! XD Yeah, astrology tells us about some potencials and aspects of a relationship, but we need to work in the real life and not taking astrology as granted..

Btw, I don't think that Scorpios are that bad.. they are very intense and emotional, and maybe that's why they also take sex very importantly (for them it's not just physical).. I love Scorpios, and I don't really think that they are that negative.. they are just more intense than other people (and I like that intensity)..

posted October 22, 2006 07:05 PM            

It's all water under the bridge! No worries, I don't hold grudges (isn't that an Aries thing? ).

I am a bit of a joker too, cutting humor sometimes. I typically don't generalize, I think the original post is what gave my response the direction it did, but when I look back at my first post I see that I did include individual aspects, so as not to generalize about our sun signs completely.

Regarding my remark about being skittish about Scorpios...well that idea came about 12 years ago, way before I took up any serious sort of study in astrology and as I said, I've been with a Scorpio rising guy for nearly a year. I guess I wasn't really clear in making my point that I don't really believe a Scorpio Sun is enough to keep me from interacting with another Scorpio guy.

Ah well, like I said, it's all water under the bridge.

So, wow, that stuff about my ex rang true! Especially his father issue(s). I think he's a great guy, just not a great guy for me-been sayin' that since I divorced him. Thanks for sharing all that stuff about the two of us, very validating.

After all the hullabaloo the other day I had to laugh at the duplicate birthdate stuff! The Universe also has a wonderful sense of humor!

posted October 23, 2006 03:48 PM            

For one thing, I think you guys just made a prime example of an Aries/Scorpio fight. Full power of Mars there, eh?

Hahaha...ha...ha ...sorry i thought it was funny

posted October 29, 2006 09:13 AM              

I'm happy to address your original query, but I'm addressing the Aries energy vs. the Scorpio energy. I'm addressing ANY of these energies in any form. So it could be as simple as considering only Sun Signs, or it could be comparing A's Mercury in Aries with B's Venus in Scorpio. This would also include any Houses and Planets which Rule these Signs, such as when you mentioned having a lot of stuff in your 8th House.

Speaking from personal observation, I think these two energies work well together if neither takes their cause to any extreme. To me, that means that there needs to be a customized way of dealing. I have a Scorpio Stellium, yet, I seem to get along best with those who have Aries energies that help make up their Natal Chart, rather than with Aries Sun's. The Sun is usually the least afraid Planet when it comes to self-assertion. But put their Venus in Aries, and now we're cooking with fire because the Aries energy here is able to keep up with my Scorpio Stellium, and vice versa. Does that make sense?

Also, it goes without saying that around here, when it comes to Synastry, making broad generalizations using only Sun Signs doesn't hold up in any discussion. Those are just "lazy" responses. Serious astrology students glaze over them, but at the same time, serious astrology students may find themselves needing to call them out in this public forum. Not being lazy at all, serious astrology students might feel the need to warn any potential newbies or beginners about generalizations. And the reminders must never cease!

If someone has an Aries Sun, but then their Chart has a strong healing theme overall, then maybe a highly evolved Scorpio Sun will make more sense. If the person with Aries Sun has a lot of Fire and strongly assertive energies in their Chart overall, then maybe a Scorpio Sun person with a lot of passion running in their Chart too would be initially attracted, but there may be an early crash n'burn. Maybe it will be a one-nighter to remember for a lifetime, but it won't be the one you marry. Depending on what expectations are, the crash n'burn might not seem like such a big regret afterall.

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