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Topic: Aries And Scorpios~!
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comica23
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posted October 20, 2006 03:34 PM
  
Hi, I'm an Aries and I'm kinda curious about it: how does Aries and Scorpio relate? Is it good or bad?I've been meeting lotsa scorpios in my life, and each of them have strong influence on me.. These people either have Scorpio Sun/Moon/Asc.. Maybe it's coz I have lotsa planets in the 8th house.. ^_^;
But I'm Aries Sun/Moon and Virgo Ascendant..
My boyfriend is Socrpio Sun, Pisces Moon and Aquarius Asc.. Personally, Scorpios are really charming and deep for me.. But what I want to know right now is, are there any people here around that has/had Aries/Scorpio relationship/experience? How is/was it like? And what are both's Sun/Moon/Asc? I'm so curious!! Thank You~! ^_^ IP: Logged |
Maire31
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posted October 20, 2006 04:10 PM
Hi Comica, You know how they say don't ask a question unless you're ready to hear the answer? Hope you're ready,  I'm an Aries like you, with CancerMoon and VirgoAsc. I married a ScorpioSun/CancerMoon/AriesAsc. He does have Cap/Mars/11h square Libra/Merc/7h, Can/Moon/IC square Vir/Pluto/Desc and Tau/Sat/1h opposite Scorp/Sun/7h. What a mistake! We were both so impetuous that we married after not knowing each other for very long. While we were dating the passion was so intense, but after we married and moved in together it went downhill. I really can't blame all of it on him (though I tend to) but his effect on me was stifling! He was so moody and possessive and jealous and insecure and controlling - get the picture? Now granted I've been called a control freak at times (I have Pluto conj Asc.)but more because I always thought/think I'm right (usually am). We were always at odds and both of us so stubborn neither would give in. Then we got pregnant! After our son was born it only got worse, he felt he wasn't getting enough attention from me, that I gave it all to the baby. As you can imagine I was getting thoroughly exhausted. By the end of our second year of marriage I'd had enough. I divorced him a few months later. From the moment I realized how our negative traits affected us as a couple I vowed never again to become involved with a Scorpio man! Except now, 12 years later I'm with a Scorpio rising guy! But our chemistry is much better Now Scorpio women? I get along famously with them! I don't know why, but over the years I have made several Scorpio women friends. Even at work, great Scorpio connections. It could just be my ex-husband's energy was wrong for me, but even now when I meet a Scorpio guy, I become very skittish. I've read many times that Aries/Scorpio couples can have killer sex lives but lots and lots of drama. Like open warfare. Not real conducive to a marriage. Best of luck to you and your guy! IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted October 20, 2006 04:19 PM
Any sunsigns can relate to each other. There is no right nor wrong sunsign for a certain sunsign. Astrological compatibility is more than just sunsigns. Synastry involves looking at the whole entire chart and not just the sunsigns. I actually believe that moonsigns are more important for compatibility than sunsigns. After all,moon is emotional nature,feelings,instincts,habit patterns,unconscious,and nurturing. Those things are very important in relationships.I wish people would know that Astrology is more than just sunsigns and that compatibility is not just based on sunsigns. You have to take all the planets,angles,houses,and aspects into account. The misconceptions can really keep people from being with people that might be right for them. I have seen people with compatible sunsigns that suck in relationships. Prince Charles and Princess Diana is perfect example. Prince Charles' Sun formed a fixed grand cross with Princess Diana's t-square of Moon in Aquarius,Venus in Taurus,and Uranus in Leo. Sun square Moon in synastry is very challenging,and Charles' Sun did square Princess Diana's Moon. Prince Charles' Moon in Taurus was incompatible with Princess Diana's Moon in Aquarius.
People with incompatible sunsigns can be compatible...they could have compatible moons,ascendants,venuses,and or/mars....at least of 2 of the big 3 compatible(Sun,Moon,Ascendant).
My girlfriend is an Aries,and I am a Scorpio
My Scorpio Sun triseptile my girlfriend's Aries Sun with 23 minutes of arc and my Scorpio Mercury biquintiles her Aries Mercury with 1'07 orb. We feel very comfortable with each other. Triseptile is 7th harmonic aspect that has to do with mystical stuff. Biquintile is 5th harmonic aspect that has to do with creativity.
Our Moons are compatible(her Moon is in Scorpio,my Moon is in Pisces).Her Saturn conjunct my Sun with 2'35 orb and trine my Moon with 26 minutes is good for being practical and grounded. Her Moon conjuncts my Sun with 3'56 orb and trine my Moon with 1'47 orb. That's good for emotional,vitalizing,and relationship connection. She actually has Moon conjunct Saturn,and my Sun conjuncts that conjunction and my Moon trines it.Her Moon conjunct Saturn links to my Sun trine Moon. That would indicate a strong serious,relationship bond. Feel that secure in that we can relate to each other easily. I know that she and I will never have the perfect relationship because there will always be some challenges that we will have to deal with and we can get them resolved. Our relationship is very good overall.
our ascendants are compatible(her Ascendant is in Pisces which same sign as my descendant and Moon and my Ascendant is in Virgo).
Our Ascendants are in opposition with 3 minutes of arc. My Jupiter square Ascendant links to her stationary Jupiter square Ascendant. Her stationary Jupiter trines my Sun with 58 minutes of arc. She has stationary Jupiter in Sagittarius square Pisces Ascendant,and I have Jupiter-IC in Sagittarius square Virgo Ascendant. Her stationary Jupiter conjuncts my Jupiter-IC conjunction and squares my Ascendant. My Jupiter conjuncts her stationary Jupiter in 9th and squares her Ascendant. We share similar philosophical,religious beliefs. I also feel that the configuration indicates our interracial relationship.
our Venuses are compatible(her Venus is in Taurus and my Venus is in Scorpio)Her Venus in Taurus trines my Virgo Ascendant with only 3 minutes of arc. She actually has Venus sextile Ascendant,and my Ascendant links to it. That's a significant aspect configuration to indicate a very strong attraction,connection.
our Marses are compatible(her Mars is in Aries and my Mars is in Aquarius)and sextile with 25 minutes of arc. 8th house is the house of sex. Her 8th house ruler,Mars sextiles my 8th house ruler Mars. passion and sexual energies are in sync. She and I agree that we a are very much alike and have a lot in common and we complement each other. She has Sun,Mercury,and Mars in Aries. I can relate with fire and airsigns with my Venus square Mars in Aquarius,Moon conjunct Mars,Moon square Jupiter,and my Jupiter conjunct IC in Sagittarius as well as North Node in Aquarius in 5th/South Node in Leo in 11th axis. I do have 4 planets in 3rd house(associated with Gemini)including Mercury,and so I have Gemini-like qualities. I even have Midheaven and Saturn in Gemini. I have Uranus trine Midheaven. Those help me relate to my gal's strong fire chart. Her Jupiter-Uranus(stationary Jupiter) conjunction in Sagittarius is conjunct my Jupiter-IC conjunction in Sagittarius helps too. My gal's Aries planets(Sun,Mercury,and Mars) fall in my 8th house,and my Scorpio planets(Sun,Mercury,and Venus) fall in her 8th house. 8th house is the house of sex. She has Mars oppose Pluto,and I have Mars biquintile Pluto. She also has Venus quindecile Pluto,and I have Venus in Scorpio. She has Mercury quindecile Pluto,and I have Mercury in Scorpio. She has Mars trine Neptune,and I have Mars square Neptune. She has Venus sesquiquadrate Neptune,and I have Venus parallel Neptune. She has Moon conjunct Saturn,and I have Moon square Saturn. She has Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto,and I have Moon quincunx Pluto. She has Moon oppose Mars,and I have Moon conjunct Mars. She has Moon sextile Neptune,and I have Moon square Neptune. Those are our affinities. I definitely take affinities into account. Stephen Arroyo wrote that affinities are important in his book,RELATIONSHIP CYCLES.
There is so much to look in synastry besides the sunsigns...that's only a small fraction of Astrology comparison.
Note: I don't own a single sunsign Astrology book out of over 60 Astrology books that I own.
I was skeptical of Sunsign Astrology...I was a skeptic of Astrology until I found out that Astrology was more than just sunsigns in 1998. Been crazy about Astrology ever since.
I am an astrologer....I prefer more of a modern western geometrical approach.
So if an irresponsible astrologer told me that my relationship with my girlfriend wouldn't work because our sunsigns aren't compatible, I would laugh,point out that Astrology is more than just sunsigns,and tell them to stuff it. hahahaha
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taurean_scorpion
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posted October 20, 2006 04:21 PM
Lol your title caught my interest because I am sort of in a Aries/Scorpio relationship myself.I'm a female scorpio mooner with strong plutonian influence and he's the moon/mars in aries both in the 8th house. He also has a Virgo Ascendant. I find his independence and (masculinity) very attractive. He (loves) to be in control and I know this. I don't call him, he calls me...I heard they love the chase but I don't it purposely, it's just how I am. He loves it when I compliment his appearance. He worries about looking too "girly."
Sometimes it feels like we're competing, for something, I don't know. Haha. It's fun, exciting, and I let him be in control if he wants to but I don't let him do it too easily...
However, he does have a caring side and I think it's because of his Virgo Asc. & Mercury in Pisces/6th and Jupiter in Pisces in the 7th (relationships). Right, and his venus is in sag in the 4th house and mine in gemin in the 12th house...(both in water houses, and venus signs are polar opposites).
My mars is in aquarius is conjunct his sun in aqua. Taurus/Scorpio/Cancer IP: Logged |
cappy
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posted October 20, 2006 04:34 PM
Wow Maire71, sounds like you've had quite an experience.
My boyfriend was in a long term relationship with a scorpio woman. He's an aries with aquarius moon and libra ascendant. Uranus in his first house and makes him very aqua like. His 8th house is highly energized however: venus, mars, and saturn there in gemini and reading his horoscope on astro.com, it always strike me that it says that he is attracted to scorpio like people and they would have a deep impact on him.
Guess what? his ex was one of two women (I don't know anything about the previous one) that transformed him deeply, and I think more so than the first one though he was hurt by both relationships. His ex of course is a scorpio sun and I believe that Pluto is in her first house. Don't know if it conjuncts the ascendant. Seemed like they were passionate with each other to the point that he abandoned his player ways to be with her but she was so insecure, controlling (his words) , loved him so much too, that they couldn't make the relationship work. He would tell me scenes of how she would go into destructive crises out of jealousy of time he spends with his friends.
Sadly, she was the one to cheat first and he was tremendously hurt by that. I thnk that she cheated because she was so afraid thatt he would and so she set herself up to loose him. I don't blame her just feel bad for the both of them cause I know how hurt he was by how it ended and I can only imagine hers...but then I got to come in the picture...
And guess what? I'm a scorpio rising...I think that scared him at first. I'm more mellow though because I am a cap sun and virgo moon and so I don't act as jealous and controlling as a true scorpio...though there was an episode (that he doesn't know about!) where I privately went on a destructive rage because of jealousy and anxiety; that was at the beginning of our relationship where I didn't know him that well. See: he is an aries with an aquarius moon who comes more as an aquarius because of uranus in his first house, and his venus-mars conjunction doesn't ease things cause he acts like a magnet on women. He has lots of friends, male and female, is a major flirt because of his venus/mars in gemini and it took me a long time to realize and accept that he makes friends like an aquarian does and is pretty much a loner at home, and that his flirting means not much to him, often he is actually being nice (libra) and I become suspicious but that is how he is with men and women equally...was a ride before I decided to control my jealousy and insecurities. the reward: he opened up to me and tells me everything and I realized that he spends more time thinking about his work and how to change his life than all those women out there who would like a phone call from him. that is his aries honesty there. Now I know if he is going to/did something that won't please me, he would just tell me so: with no care of hurting my feelings, as a true aries.
I don't know how/if we'll make it...but astrology has really helped me so far by understanding how we both work. and of course I'm not a pure scorpio nor he a pure aries so all the issues that Maire mentioned don't play so dramatically but I think that it did with his ex wife...so it depends on afinities and I saw few in their chart.IP: Logged |
Sharon49
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posted October 20, 2006 05:26 PM
Hello Aries, MY best advice is Remember you are Fire - he is Water. If you dish a big bowl of water on a Fire, what does it do. It is put out. In the long run, you will have problems as you are both of different groups. Some may differ from me, But I have read in Lindas books that it is best to mix with your own group or if you do venture out, make sure it is a group that will mix. Such a group for you would be an air sign. Put air to a fire and you get a larger fire. Mix two fires together and you will spread like a wildfire. Throw a shovel of earth on a Fire and snuff it out. These things can be looked at as true from my Prospective. IP: Logged |
Lady Dee
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posted October 20, 2006 05:37 PM
I don't have any information for you, but I have never had anything to do with Aries. I can't name one single person that I know, that is one. Strange, I'm scorpio sun, venus, and mercury.IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted October 20, 2006 05:39 PM
OH brother. I can't believe the crap that I am reading! I am starting to get annoyed.Astrology is more than just sunsigns. There are:
Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven,Mercury,Venus,Venus
Mars,Jupiter,Saturn,Uranus,Neptune,Pluto We also have houses and aspects.
You can't just judge a person's compability by sunsigns alone. That's ridiculous and unfair. You can overlook real compatible couples because you only look at their sunsigns. It's not much different from looking at 1 person who is white and 1 person is black,and saying that they can't be together because they are not same color.
My mother has Sun in Gemini,and I have Sun in Scorpio...we are so much alike..
My mother is not a typical Gemini She has Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio...She has Sun in 12th trine Neptune...She has Moon square Pluto. That is very similar to my Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio along my Moon in Pisces and Virgo Ascendant. My father was a Capricorn Sun which is incompatible with my Mom's Gemini Sun, but his Moon was in watersign like my mother. His Moon was in Pisces like me and my maternal grandfather. They had similar emotional natures. My mother was married to my stepfather who was a Leo Sun. It was a marriage of convenience,she was never attracted to my stepfather like she was to my father.
I feel that people can learn from each other regardless of what's in their charts.
An astrologer telling a couple that they are not compatible because they have incompatible sunsigns is not a real astrologer IMHO. She/he is supposed to acknowledge and recognized that there is more to compatibility than just sunsigns.
If Astrology was only sunsigns including compatibility, I would have never been an astrologer. That's the God's honest truth!
I'd still be a skeptic. After all,my Gemini Mom has more of a Scorpio nature than me...well..I learned that it's not that simple. She has Sun sextile/parallel Pluto,Mercury parallel Pluto,Venus parallel Pluto,Jupiter parallel Pluto,Uranus parallel Pluto,and Pluto parallel Ascendant along with Moon in Scorpio square Pluto.
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comica23
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posted October 20, 2006 05:40 PM
Thank you for your replies! ^_^ Each case so interesting!Btw Glaucus, since you're also Scorpio Sun Pisces Moon, does this make a person very emotional inside (even if the person doesn't show) and might be very sensible and easily hurt? IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted October 20, 2006 05:48 PM
There is something that people forgetScorpio is a watersign,and it is sensitive,emotional....sensitivity,emotional nature is not necessarily expressed...it's about how one responds to stimuli...response to stimuli can be subtle.
I feel that Scorpio's sensitivity is overlooked due to its intensity linked to its ruler Pluto and its passion linked to its traditional ruler,Mars. That doesn't take away from the sensitivity,depth,and emotional nature of Scorpio. Yes..they can be easily hurt..they don't necessarily show it..it's that fear of being hurt that makes it hard for them to trust others and be wary of them...also their tendency to be resentful and vindictive.....it really depends on what else is in their charts...as well..it just depends on the person. Hell yeah...Scorpios can be easily hurt but they might keep things hidden until the emotions build up and they explode or they can retaliate,fight back. Moon in Pisces just strongly emphasizes the the deep,emotional,sensitive nature. My Pisces Moon squares Neptune. So I have Moon-Neptune double whammy...so it's like having 2 Pisces Moon influences. I have 4 planets in watersigns any way. That's extremely deep,sensitive,and emotional whether I had Moon in Pisces or not. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted October 20, 2006 05:48 PM
Hmm personally I think that even if your Sun sign is different/incompatible, the other aspects are the real ones that has more influence.. ^_^; And other aspects can smooth our Sun sign traits..But even if water and fire are different.. maybe a little of water can create some vapour out of fire(dreamy dreamy lol), and a bit of fire warms the water a bit.. (when they are not too much) :P IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted October 20, 2006 05:50 PM
Exactly,Comica.That's my point. Planets in other signs,planets in houses,and aspects modify planets in signs. You are thinking like an astrologer. Seeing the big picture. :-) IP: Logged |
Maire31
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posted October 20, 2006 06:03 PM
Oh Glaucus I feel that Scorpio energy of yours. Makes me want to fight you, lol. Not that you're wrong, just that you're so jacked up and controlling about all of this. Chill...no need to call the other posts "crap". We're all entitled to our opinion and a little fun. BTW, your name isn't Eric (ex-husband's name) is it? Just kidding! IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted October 20, 2006 06:10 PM
I am not being controlling. Don't try to pidgeonhole me with typical Scorpio crap. I am talking as an astrologer who have done a lot of readings for years. Astrology is more than just sunsigns. It's not fair to judge a person by their sunsigns only without looking at the rest of their charts as well as seeing how they are as people. I think that my Mars in Aquarius is showing right now. I have Mars that is disposited by unaspected Uranus which is also my oriental planet and is part of an 11th harmonic pattern of Ascendant,Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Uranus. 11th harmonic resonates with Aquarius. I feel that you focus on just sunsigns in Astrology that you're not doing real Astrology. You will just judge people by their sunsigns and don't see the rest of them. It's like judging people by the color of their skin or by their gender. I don't do that to others,and so I don't want them to do that to me. That's why I was a skeptic of Astrology until 1998. I didn't believe in that sunsign Astrology crap. As I started learning about Astrology in depth and that it was more than sunsigns, I became an astrologer. I definitely don't focus on just sunsigns in a reading and that includes synastry. You can't judge a book by its cover any way. A lot of people don't fit into sunsign astrology stereotypes...heck..a lot of don't fit into stereotypes any way. I don't fit into stereotypes like male,ethnic stereotypes. As a multiethnic(Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto Rican,Native American,Jewish)person with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia with a special education history,I have never fit in anybody's boxes. I can't stand astrological generalizations either.
My name is Raymond.
My Aries girlfriend doesn't buy into that sunsign compatibility BS. She even told me that she's not a typical Aries...She's more like a Scorpio...heck..she tells me that she's more intense than I am. I love her intensity! I just love her period. Her being Aries wouldn't stop me from loving her just like my being a Scorpio wouldn't stop her from loving me. She loves me even though I am a Dyslexic,Dyspraxic male that doesn't fit me male stereotypes and have history of Anxiety and Depression because of my insecurity from my past because of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and being in special education including being called retard by normal children. I am actually a lot more Piscean in my nature than Scorpio...especially as a child...especially in my special educations years when my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia was severe and I was picked on a lot for being special and I cried very easily...always sooo emotional,sensitive like many special needs children.
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posted October 20, 2006 06:13 PM
There are so many components to someones chart, looking at one thing is silly, I used to only look at Sun signs until other things came into focus. Like for instance I am Sun sign Libra and all the astrology books claim my sign is compatible with air signs like Aqua, Gemini and other Libras. Well I have yet to date an Aqua or have a long relationship with a Gemini. Since my Moon and other planets are in Cancer I attract lots of water people. Same thing with anyone else you could be Sun sign Aries with Moon and other planets in a water sign sign and attract lots of water instead of the stereo typical "Oh fire only works with other fire signs"IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2006 06:41 PM
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OH brother. I can't believe the crap that I am reading!
You and me both! The good old ‘sun sign is the new race’.. By all means stick to your own.. While you’re at it make sure you also stick to your own race and culture, and try to never really move to another country because that would kind of make it harder to find someone who is just like you in every way, in which case you would never need to compromise on anything, ever.. In fact lets forget about hetero relationships all together. Sexism is in also! Lets just date people in our own gender who also look just like us. Because you know the colour black when mixed with yellow makes it dark also.. so by that theory a blonde person is in grave danger of having their hair colour squashed by a brunette person. Blondes should only date other blondes.. You know the truth deep down though? These differences don’t exist.. astrology included.. they’re just not real on a soul level.. an illusion if you will. People are people, they love, they hate, they argue, they make up.. they make the exact same mistakes at different points in their life.. Technically every person lives the life of every other person, details aside. It just doesn’t friggin matter lol
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posted October 20, 2006 06:43 PM
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My name is Raymond.
Everybody loves you! lol IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted October 20, 2006 06:45 PM
WOW!Awesome post,Lauren! I couldn't have done any better! whoaaaaa! :-)
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cappy
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posted October 20, 2006 07:12 PM
Well, I read the posts back and I frankly didn't see it written anywhere that if a person is aries and the other is scorpio, that automatically dooms them to failure in a relationship or that most importantly their sun sign was the ONLY thing to consider in evaluating their compatibility.
What I saw written here is people FOCUSING on the sun signs while mentioning in passing other factors in order to explain the dynamism of an aries-scorpio couple.
So Glaucus, with all due respect to your "professional-multiethnic-dyslexic-dyspraxic-astrologer's authority" I truly don't see what you are getting so worked up over! I know that Sharon unwittingly spoke about not mixing up the elements...that's her opinion, I don't see why it should be called CRAP even though you can critically point out that it is too simplistic and fails to understand the complexity of astrology. A lot of people out there would call your astrological expertise and astrology itself CRAP! How would you respond to that? I found your attacks insulting especially since whatever has been said on these posts isn't new: that is not the first time on this board or any other that people would SINGLE OUT a particular astrological element to speak of a person. Just look at the posts on aquarius men. yet, the understanding, and other people have noted that explicitly, is that whether it is the sun sign, the venus, or else, everyone is speaking about an aspect that makes up a person! After all, astrology is not the only thing that makes up a person's character and explains a person's behavior: race, ethnicity, language, wealth, abuse as a child or even while you're in the womb are all important aspects and I don't remember seeing you decrying the priviledging of astrology on this board at the expense of all the other ones!!!
I'm sorry if I come on too strong but your self-righteousness is just misplaced and insulting!IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted October 20, 2006 07:19 PM
I believe that people are different, but in terms of being unique.. Everyone has their own traits, and it's hard to find someone who is absolutely the same like us.. But then it depends on various things to see if they get along well together or not.. ^_^;
But what's more important is to be able to learn with the differences, being receptive and tolerant to the differences, and so balancing the happier or harder aspects of the relationship.. Mutual respect and interest in each other are also really important..Sun signs just give us some of its traits.. I'm an Aries, and thought I have some of its traits (self-centered yay~!, impulsivity..), normally I'm more like a Virgo (calm, patient, observant, etc).. Even when stressed I can remain calm lool.. ^_^; Only when I'm really high or out of myself that I'd be a fiery Aries.. Also when I feel emotionally good I tend to be a happy Aries lol~ IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2006 07:22 PM
cappy,it's the astrology sunsign prejudice that's got me worked over....the generalizations too..as well pidgeonholing people astrologically. It's no different from judging people by the color of their skin,gender,how they talk,or look. They are not seeing the big picture. It really offends me as a genuine astrologer who has helped a lot of people over the years .
I don't think that I am being self righteous insulting.
If I am, then I find all this sunsign generalization and crap insulting. It's not real Astrology period!
after all, Astrology is more than just sunsigns. To judge compatibility by sunsigns alone is very irresponsible. If I do see more sunsign generalization crap or even judging people by their charts like stuff like moral character, I will call people on it. I don't hesitate. I have done it before. One astrologer said that the chart of John Karr was a killer's chart without even a birthtime. I found a chart of an actor with the same date and threw it right back in her face. I posted that stuff in the group in response to her stuff. One astrologer mentioned that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr made a speech on that very same date,year and that it was a killer speech out of sarcasm. If anybody did give me crap about my Astrology is crap, I will explain to them about Astrology entails more than just sunsigns,but other planets in signs,houses,and aspects. I also explained that there are astrologer who don't work with tropical zodiac as well as zodiac signs..people like cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers. If they say other stuff. I will ask them questions like what are t-squares,grand crosses,and other basic planetary geometry patterns that we know about in Astrology. If they can't answer that,I rest my case. I am glad that my parents got together despite their significant age differences,imcompatible sunsigns,ethnic differences or I wouldn't be born......well...they did both have water moonsigns.
We can go back and forth judging who if you want to play the judging game.
" After all, astrology is not the only thing that makes up a person's character and explains a person's behavior: race, ethnicity, language, wealth, abuse as a child or even while you're in the womb are all important aspects and I don't remember seeing you decrying the priviledging of astrology on this board at the expense of all the other ones!!!"
no kidding(sarcasm) tell me what I don't know!!! I don't believe in cause and effect in Astrology any way. I believe that Astrology works because of synchronicity. I believe that earthly things are in synchronicity with celestial things. It's reading Carl Jung that got me into Astrology in the first place. I am psychological astrologer too. I don't believe in fatalism in Astrology. I strongly emphasize free will. BTW...I believe that there is only one race. The Human Race. We are all human beings..we are all Homosapiens. In 1997,I even wrote a poem called Unity that talked about the need to all love each other because we are all human beings that live on our home planet,Earth as well as pointing out that there is only one race - The Human Race
People of ethnicity, language, wealth, abuse as a child can differ in their behaviors...Some people learn from abuse and don't abuse others. Some people don't learn from abuse and they abuse others. Not all whites are the same..not all blacks are the same...that goes for all ethnic groups...not all rich people are the same..not all poor are the same. Not all liberals are the same..not all conservatives are the same..not all americans are the same..not all people of country is the same .....we all have differences and similarities.....that's one of the main things that I like about Astrology...it transcends ethnicity,color,gender,creed,etc. It shows that people of different groups can share things in common. I guess I see Astrology in Neptunian(Unity,Collective Unconscious,Mystical) way as well as Plutonian(psychological,transformation)as well as Uranian(innovation,flashes of insight,change,progression)and Jovial way(big picture,philosophical,expansive).
"I'm sorry if I come on too strong but your self-righteousness is just misplaced and insulting!" That's your friggen opinion!! I find all this sunsign crap judgment insulting and misplaced too. There is more to a person that his/her sunsign.
Besides we are human beings who are far more than our charts.
I believe that we be judged by the content of our character and not by our sunsigns just like my fellow Pisces Moon Martin Luther King Jr. believed that we be judged by the content of our character not by the color of our skin.
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posted October 20, 2006 07:31 PM
As far as the elements go... what about the fifth element? Which a synthesis of the four elements. The synthesis = sigma (the Greek symbol should go here but I don't know how to do it on the keyboard).??? IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2006 07:46 PM
There are only 4 elements used in Western Astrology Earth
Air
Fire
Water I am well aware that the 5th element is spirit in regards to the pentagram which is a 5 pointed configuration...each point representing an element. IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2006 08:04 PM
***standing ovation for Cappy***I just returned from an errand and saw the latest posts. OMG! Cappy, I was scratching my head too and went back to read all the posts, especially my initial post, just to make sure I wasn't being superficial. Thank goodness I see I am not the raving lunatic! I was trying to de-escalate our friend Raymond in terms of his poor manners while using a bit of humor. I tried. Quite simply Raymond, your ramblings proved my point! It seems YOU are the one pigeon-holing people. Do you really believe you've convinced people that Scorpios do not deserve the harsh stereotypes that are out there with your arrogant illustrations of self-importance?
Glaucus says...
"I think that my Mars in Aquarius is showing right now. I have Mars that is disposited by unaspected Uranus which is also my oriental planet and is part of an 11th harmonic pattern of Ascendant,Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Uranus. 11th harmonic resonates with Aquarius."
Personally, I think his a$$ is showing!
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posted October 20, 2006 08:13 PM
Well...Maire, I don't give a flying crap what you say. People are more than just their sunsigns
I was expressing my Mars in Aquarius energy....Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio...so my Mars in Aqaurius disposits my Sun in Scorpio....therefore my Scorpio and Aquarius are very connected.
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