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Topic: Very Important Knowledge. Pls Read and think.
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Stargazer
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posted November 08, 2006 12:09 PM
  
Iq  Thank you for the link...  I'm not scared by a lil' ole square.. Saturn is my chart ruler... Being aware is priceless..as is understanding and knowledge....
Thats why I not only use all the brains I have, but all I can borrow, too.  IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted November 08, 2006 01:15 PM
I feel like an idiot because I'm trying to make a Secondary chart for myself and I think I have it but something's not clicking....IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted November 08, 2006 08:08 PM
Star ~ quote:
Thats why I not only use all the brains I have, but all I can borrow, too.
 Hi Og!!! This will take some time to digest..... thank you for being your usual and impeccable fountain of information Z IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted November 09, 2006 01:17 AM
Hi Zala!
Did you see your Solar Return chart?
I am interested in what your secondary chart transits in importat dates have to say, maybe all the missing pieces will fall in place? If you see the correspondence course link to Tobey's notes, he was most impressed with your generation and the impact it will have on the world.
There is a full explanation for the cause of LSD trips, the underground rock music, hippie culture, woodstock etc.IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted November 11, 2006 06:14 AM
I think Tobey is a genius! I'm so amazed by his argumentation! I can totally follow and relate to what he's saying. Awesome knowledge! And is so much simpler, just like the absolute truth should be: in front of our eyes, but we don't see it because we like to complicate things.
Unfortunatelly, I don't have the time to read the whole thing now, so I have a few more questions  Let's say I'm requesting your personal opinion
How accurate do you think a composite of 2 secondary charts is? How about the synastry, compared to the primary charts?
Indeed, there is a stron correlation between the arabic parts and the secondary chart and it's only normal because of the way they are calculated. You confused me at first saying the moon in the secondary chart is where the part of fortune used to be (well, yes, but for nocturnal births - does that mean you were born at night?). Therefore:
-the secondary Sun is the primary Asc
-the secondary Moon is the primary PF (noct births)
-the sec Mercury is the primary part of commerce (1)
-the sec Venus is the primary part of beauty, love
...and so on...
And taking it further what would be the relevance for calculating the secondary arabic parts? And using them for a tertiary chart (Jesus! I'm losing it! Well, I do have schizophrenic potential...)? Because the aspects and the houses remain the same and only the signs change could one interpret that... somehow? Maybe linked to past life experiences?...  IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted November 11, 2006 07:47 AM
Hmmm, I think synastry would be 50-50 relevant whether we take th primary chart or secodary chart. Possibly, we should map the main aspects in the primary chart, and see if these aspects are harmoiously aspected in the secondary chart.Example: Primary Mars of the boy conjucts Primary Venus of the girl. Secondary Jupiter of the boy conjuncts Primary Mars of the Boy. Secondary Moon of the girl trines Primary Venus of the girl. =========================================== Better than a tertiary concept is something far ahead of our current astro software scope. Tobey discovered the relevance of 1/12th fractions, using the systematic mate sign method. It is there in the correspondence course as well as a book "Astrology of Inner Space".
Please dont spend too much time on that now until you have mastered the basics. In a nutshell, it says that the first 2.5 degrees of Aries are ruled by Scorpio, next 2.5 by Sag, next Cap, next Aqua,next Pisces, 15-17.5 Aries [strongest points],... till it ends at 27.5 to 30 with the Opposite Sign Libra. Taurus begins with Libra and ends with Virgo. Gemini begins with Virgo and ends with Leo, Cancer begins with Leo and ends with Capricorn. Etc.
(I hope I have got this right I am saying from memory.) This is in consonance with Fractal Theory and Microcosm being Macrocosm and so on in spiritual studies. Where this ends, Sabian Symbols begin and mesmerize us with the spiritual possibiities of every degree of every planet. Chart interpretations are thus subject to the depth within our conscousness that we are willing to travel.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/sabiansymbols_degreemeanings.html SelfKnowledge is endless... IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted November 11, 2006 07:47 AM
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izodesmozina
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posted November 11, 2006 07:57 AM
Uhm... dp as in?... Feelin' kinda silly for asking this, but...
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Iqhunk
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posted November 11, 2006 08:10 AM
dp:= double post. Sometimes the submit button gets pressed twice and the message repeats. We edit it out and write dp or just keep it empty.IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted November 11, 2006 08:29 AM
The fractions are interesting, but I'm not going to focus on them yet. I'm still thinking about that tertiary chart (if you paid some attention to my posts you know why)... if Microcosm can be Macrocosm, why can't Macro be Micro? As in "it's all in me" (felt this at an early age, that I am one with the Universe...). By progressing the chart over and over one will pass through several signs (as Ascendant) - some only through 3 or 4, others through all of them - before returning to the original Asc.
I maybe babbling here... but this is me being passionate about something and wanting to know if there's more to it or not (Mars opp Pluto here). Hope I'm not bothering you
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Iqhunk
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posted November 11, 2006 10:20 AM
There might be a use of a tertiary chart for "future" karmic life indication and a regressing of the ascendat for a past life indication, especially if Saturn is used for the past cycle.IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted November 15, 2006 05:57 PM
Me again
You were right. After calculating my tertiary and regressed charts I felt like this wasn't that much fun anymore... Anyway, regarding past life experiences, the draconic chart seems more accurate. Izo IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted January 22, 2007 03:49 PM
Iqhunk, I started reading Tobey's course. It is very fascinating, indeed.
But I have a qestion and will be very grateful if you could clear things up for me. If Tobey suggested to consider a house system that is equal and clockwise (quote: "the houses run in one direction, while the signs of the zodiac run in the opposite direction. The planets go through the zodiac in a counterclockwise direction, while they go through the houses in a clockwise direction." lesson 9), why does he uses the anti-clockwise arrangement in the chart examples?
I ask this because I was stunned to see the accurance of this design... and not only in my chart... It was amazing! But why didn't he apply it????
Hope you checked the email notification because I really want to get to the bottom of this... Thank you in advance!! Izo IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted January 22, 2007 03:55 PM
... this doesn't seem to appear on the first page...IP: Logged |
Ausra
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posted January 22, 2007 05:45 PM
Very interesting information. I remember when I first started doing astrology I calculated charts by hand and so used equal house for ease. From this I have always found the equal house system the best for me to relate to.
I also remember hand drawing signs with planet rulers, and did this with traditional rulers. I was concerned that with the modern planets there was no cosmic flow, so this system makes perfect sense.
I have to put my chart together again! Again thanks for the info!! IP: Logged |
D for Defiant
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posted January 22, 2007 11:06 PM
Have I left a message here already? Sorry, I can't even recall. But Iqhunk, this is really cool and I will read it in greater detail later- hopefully as soon as tonight!
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cristiname
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posted January 23, 2007 03:54 AM
I don't get it! have you all gotten so good at interpreting astrology that you feel like changing it? what exactly in your x years of reading it / practicing it is a strong enough argument against the 7000 years that the 'old' astrology has to back it up (it started in Mesopotamia). ppl say I'm the one who's always looking to change things, but here I am - finding this ridiculous! yes, I admit! this is one personal limit I can't cross. I don't know enough astrology to dare mess with it. IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted January 23, 2007 08:50 AM
Hi friends,
Tobey did not change astrology, the ancient Mesopotamian system does point to the linear design based on mean distance. The theosophists messed it up due to some misunderstanding but they had the better propoganda machinery back in the 1930s.In the mathematical system, the houses go from Leo to Virgo in the clockwise direction
and the signs go from Cancer to Gemini in the anti-clockwise direction based on mean distance so that the MATE SIGNS can also be accomodated. We have divisions based on
ELEMENTS: Water, Earth, Fire, Air with every water sign being balanced by an Earth sign and every Fire Sign being balanced by an air sign. CARDINALITY: Cardinal signs, Fixed Signs and Mutable Signs. Positive-Negative or Masculine-Feminine. Mate Signs: The theme of opposites attract is not on sign opposition but as "mirror images". Look at the Zodiac as if there were a mirror in the middle. You will understand a profound mystery now. Cancer-Leo //Moon-Sun obvious mate signs
Gemini-Virgo //Ancient Common Ruler Mercury
Taurus-Libra //"" Venus
Aries -Scorpio //"" Mars
Pisces-Sag //"" Jupiter
Aqua - Cap //"" Saturn When Uranus was discovered, it was placed
accurately in Aqua. Then Neptune was placed in Pisces. Why the hell did they place Pluto in Scorpio ? Should not the loop be completed
logically ? And the gall of theirs to claim 11th planet Pan-Horus as ruler of Taurus, again sticking to the loop before completing the confusion by claiming the 12th planet to correspond to Virgos, claiming they will get some super-duper evolution. It is the Geminis who will get the super changes when the true 12th planet is discovered. PS.
Izo, i did not get any email, pls send to tsaied@rediffmail.com and dont worry if I reply late because these days I allocate only 1 day a week to astrology. IP: Logged |
katipo
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posted January 25, 2007 02:08 PM
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darkdreamer
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posted May 31, 2008 08:46 AM
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katatonic
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posted May 31, 2008 01:09 PM
have to admit i can't really get my head around this, totaly confusing and seems a little arbitrary/theoretical to me...i love working with equal houses, but as i learned chart reckoning in england, started using KOCH house system which works REALLY well with my own (ny based) chart as well as those in more extreme north/south areas...IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted May 31, 2008 01:18 PM
GREAT bump DD!Always thought Equal system was better lol I wish IQHUNK would come back though as l have a few questions.. maybe i'll start a thread IP: Logged |
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