posted November 21, 2006 09:24 AM            

"birds of feather flock together....."

you get what ya put out there...

sending peace

posted November 21, 2006 11:49 AM            

All opinions are welcome..

She did not post an opinion...
She attacked me.

Did she even read the thread?
Did you?

It was totally under false pretenses...
And yes, we are all going to defend ourselves against it. I actually thought I was quite nice about it.
Considering I was told that "I don't have the right" and that I am a "false profet"

I do have the right!
And "false profet" come on!!!

This thread was not headed in that direction....
As far as influence goes.. It is on her...
She was the only one to plant any seeds......!
It was way out there and disrespectful...
I never posted again on the thread because of the discord she created...
I apologised for my irresponsibitity in not posting the link to "Tobey's" article in my original post...
So that it would be clear where it was going...
There are threads all over LL about Astrological blurbs... Peculiar similarities that are great topics of conversation in our quest for knowledge.
It is a shame that someone has to come along and for lack of a better term, shite in the bed and ruin it for everyone.....

posted November 21, 2006 12:09 PM            

That's how badly I react to negativity.
especially people attacking my character for no reason as well as slamming my helping others as kissing ass.

man...those were fighting words!

posted November 21, 2006 12:52 PM            

I am angry, too. We have a right to be...

Nobody likes to be attacked
Especially the "hit and run" variety...
I call it "nothing to do".. So lets stir up the pot, put people down, it must make them feel better about themselves...
Who are we to judge...
and I don't care what anybody says....
The negative posts on this thread are character attacks...
As if the information posted on this thread up until cristiname's had no value to anyone.. Who are we to decide that?

You were only defending me... as well as the others who posted in response to her attack. I do appreciate that.
You have been a great teacher here glaucus... You know that! Don't let the negativity alter your path...
You have helped countless people along their path to their "own understanding."

And ya know what?

i feel the same way about GN. I have always looked forward to her take on a topic.
I was even excited, just for a moment when I saw this bumped by her. Until I started reading.. and that in fact she chose this thread to continue with the negativity we are all trying to dodge... That in and of itself is a shame... I would have really liked to know her interpretation or experience with this square.....

posted November 21, 2006 01:39 PM            

Methinks the root of all this controversy is JUDGEMENT. We were endowed with the ability/facility to make value judgements in our lives. Since I did my fair share of JUDGING someone else I'm guilty also.

posted November 21, 2006 05:35 PM            

let's see: Stargazer. since you've... “apologized for irresponsibility” , that means that i was right! doesn't it? even YOU agree with me. of course, saying you’re sorry isn’t the point. The point is to BE responsible EVERYTIME, so that I don’t have to play guardian.

Glaucus, THIS is patronizing and disrespectful: “christiname or whatever you call yourself,”. Not to mention that you DO pick on me personally not bc you disagree with the subject (the astrological one!) but bc …” I am with Dulce. Stargazer is cool….”. (I wasn't arguing that)

I didn’t say she meant to harm. And she never did share “her insights from her own experiences”, but rather took some line out of a context, without quoting the author. I don’t care if you like me or not, as it is beside the point here.

Azalaksh et comp. when on an astrology FORUM someone starts a thread with ‘I feel aqua… what do you think?’ – it’s an invitation to discuss that. thx for finding my posts useful. that's how i mean them.

posted November 21, 2006 07:02 PM            

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I didn’t say she meant to harm.

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you have no right to cause distress or pain by your irresponsabile affirmations! especially when they are NOT accurate.

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posted November 21, 2006 07:04 PM            

cristiname,

I never picked on you before.
You were condescending in other threads,and I didn't say anything. When you slammed stargazer....well...I had about it with you. I let you have it. I would do it to anybody who addressed people so condescendingly and rudely as you did.

So don't even go there.

When you were so rude with Stargazer, I jumped to her defense. I am very quick to slam people who are very rude and condescending to others for no reason.
If I was patronizing and disrespectful to you, you got a taste of your own medicine. I am not sorry.

So what if stargazer apologized. That doesn't necessarily mean that you are right. A lot of people who are insecure apologize for no reason. A lot of people who are embarassed apologize for no reason. A lot of people who want to make peace and move on apologize for no reason. Some people apologize and then change their mind. Some people are hasty when it comes to certain things,and so people say what they don't mean. That doesn't necessarily mean that you are right.

Who are you to judge people and tell them how they can't relate to a zodiac sign because that zodiac sign isn't supposed to feel? There are such thing as affinities. Like a person with Sun in 11th can have affinity with Sun in Aquarius. That is what inner depths was talking about. She has Sun oppose Uranus,and so she has affinity with Sun in Aquarius. I have Moon conjunct Mars,and so I have affinity with Moon in Aries. I am very passionate feeling nature and I experienced my mother as very aggressive,assertive,anger issues,as well as a hothead. I can have feeling of impatience.

I won't hesitate to go off on people that are condescending. I don't mess with people unless they mess with me or other people.I don't believe that anybody should be walked all over and talked down to like they are stupid. That's one thing that fires me up. I don't care who and what they are.

If you talk crap to me, I talk crap back.

That's how I operate.

If you don't like it, tough crap!

I am not a fake person. If I don't like somebody,I will straight up tell that person.
The reason why I don't like you because you were condesceding in other threads and the stuff that you said to stargazer. If you mess with somebody,expect somebody to mess with you back. If you are on the offensive,somebody will be on the defensive.

I don't play turn the other cheek. If everybody played turned the other cheek, nobody would stand up for themselves. People would still be slaves and not have civil rights. I believe people should fight to defend themselves and others. Civil War was a war to liberated all blacks in USA. It was about fighting for what you believe in. Martin Luther King Jr fight for what he believed in too. He spoke out against injustices and pointed out things that were wrong.

another thing..don't use somebody's chart to explain their behavior like you did with inner depths. You told her that her Aries likes to fight. You don't know the person. So why even judge. How would you like it if somebody looked at your chart and made assumptions about you? Would you like it? I don't think so. I definitely would not. If you judged me by my chart, I would let you have it. Nobody should be judging people based on their charts.

the irony is Gemini Nymph coming to your defense and slamming me because I came to Stargazer's defense and slammed you.

posted November 21, 2006 08:05 PM            

here is stuff from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook

MA.UR.*
+ energetic. resolute. determined. industrious. works quickly. daring. courageous. high-spirited. future-oriented. handy. skilled with technology. reformist. progressive. innovative.
Sudden actions. Unexpected work. Exciting or stimulating activity. To contribute to tensions. Energetic deed. Technical assignment. To carry out a reform. Activity in the future. Operation. Electrical energy.
- impulsive. rash. acts prematurely. restless. unpredictable. obstinate.
To jump to conclusions prematurely. Rash decision. Emotional upset. Injury or damage. Accident.

I have Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus midpoint myself. I can relate to a lot of those keywords. I think that's part of my liberal activist along with my Mars in Aquarius.

here is interpretation of Mars in hard aspect to Uranus in Flower Essence Report:
Impatient, impulsive, original, and irrepressibly independent, you assert yourself in ways that may seem audacious to other people. You have a self-willed, rebellious streak that resists authority, conventions, rules. Somewhat of a daredevil, you have strong need for action, excitement, physical thrills, change, experimentation, stimulation, or high energy situations. If it has not been tried before, you will want to do it (NOW!). You are an innovator. Though essentially strong and energetic, you run the risk of burning out your creative, sexual, or vital energies through extremes, lack of moderation, or misuse.

When out of balance and not constructively oriented, you are prone to accidents caused by recklessness, speed, or taking dangerous risks, unpredictable temper tantrums, or even violent episodes.

In addition to having healthy physical outlets to release your energies from time to time (anything from vigorous dancing to athletics), there are a number of flower essences which can help you: ALOE VERA (for the type of burn out described above), IMPATIENS (for irritation, intolerance, impatience), TIGER LILY (for unbalanced, overly aggressive "yang" energy), SHOOTING STAR (for feeling that you are ahead of your time), WILD OAT (for restless dissatisfaction; trying many activities but chronically restless and unable to commit to any of them), CHERRY PLUM (for feeling out of control and afraid you will do something destructive). MULLEIN (if what you are seeking to do is unconventional and not socially validated) and CLIFF ROSE (for the follow through required to actually manifest your intent.). Also useful for you is DOGWOOD, for more grace, tact, and ease in relating to others.

Gemstones that calm, ground, and harmonize your energies include: BLUE LACE AGATE (which calms impulsiveness, encourages tact and discernment), GREEN or BLUE CALCITE (which relax, calm and soothe the solar plexus and nerves), CHRYSOPRASE (which relieves apprehension as you move into the unknown, and encourages emotional peace and stability), and GALENA (a lead mineral that is very grounding). These can be used when you are out of balance. LARIMAR is a very excellent influence also, helping to build confidence when you are involved in unique or innovative projects.

this Mars in hard aspect to Uranus in Astroinsight Report:

Excitement motivates you. You have very fast reflexes and can be drawn to high speed machines and the martial arts. Until you deal with issues around anger, you may be accident-prone. You can be brutally frank and, at times, are fearless and headstrong, and show flashes of uncommon ability. You have a fighting spirit and exceptional strong energy. For better or worse, your friends will play a decisive role in your destiny.

You operate by your own rules and thrive on hard work. You do not easily submit to restraint. Sometimes you feel almost irresistible urges to change or break free from commitments.

You're courageous, original and impatient. You need a variety of action and excitement. You can be about as unconventional as is humanly possible. You can develop unique physical powers.

If what you've begun is unworthy of finishing that's OK. Start to think about the worthiness of finishing before you commit your energy to something new.

Confront bullies. Resist being dominated. Develop your own unique strength. Curb your temper and any asocial and antisocial tendencies that you may have. Enjoy some more mutual high spirited, high energy encounters. Find outlets for your excess energy and learn when to take it easy.

posted November 22, 2006 05:14 AM              

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I have also read that it is tough to maintain a relationship.. as the object of desire does not stay constant

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With Venus in Aries, this aspect is an even bigger problem in respect of maintaining equilibrium (and constancy) within a relationship.

posted November 22, 2006 05:47 AM            

'causing' harm is NOT the same as 'meaning' it. the first is irresponsible, the second implies the intention to hurt someone. I don't think there was such an intention at all; I'm sure she's a very nice person.

posted November 22, 2006 06:07 AM            

you claim that you defend Stargazer against me.....

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'When you were so rude with Stargazer, I jumped to her defense.'
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do you think that Stargazer is *unable* to defend herself? that she's *helpless* or somehow lesser than you? why does she need you to speak on her behalf? isn't this sort of attitude hiding a preconceived notion that you are somehow better than her?

And further on, isn’t this a defense mechanism called ‘projection’ – when you throw at me that I think less of ppl, when, in fact, YOU are the one doing that? Being ‘fired up’ when you perceive OTHERS are being put down is a way ppl sometimes react when they reject something about themselves. It’s not called a ‘shadow’ for no reason.

Again, it is YOU who thinks that Stargazer had no reason to apologize – even more, you say she’s *unable* to express her honest stance on this, too weak and afraid to speak her mind? Again, you think you know better what she should do or not, that you are stronger than she is (implying that she’s not, that you can do something she can’t).

posted November 22, 2006 09:17 AM            

I defended stargazer because I felt that you were rude to her,and she even felt that way. Other people thought that you were rude,condescending,and judgmental. I definitely wasn't the only one that thought that.

I don't think that it's right for you to tell people who and what they are just because they said that they feel like an Aquarian like you did to inner depths.

That is very arrogant.

I feel like an Aquarius because of my unaspected Uranus as my oriental planet,my Uranus trine Midheaven,my Moon conj Mars in the astronomical constellation of Aquarius,my Sun trine 11th house ruler,My Moon sesquiquadrate Uranus, as well as my 11th harmonic aspect configuration of Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Uranus.

If you told me that I am not because Aquarius is not supposed to feel, I'd let you have it for damned sure.

I wouldn't mind if somebody defended me either.

People can stick up for people who are being mistreated. It can be done out of empathy,compassion.

Gemini Nymph certainly sticked up for you and slammed people here just like I sticked up for stargazer and slammed you for being rude,judgmental,and condescending to her.
Why not judge her negatively for defending you and slamming people when you can defend yourself?

"Being sorry about this would mean that you’ve come to terms with your own dark side – which I don’t expect to happen over night. I know that when ppl claim they *mean* to hurt someone, they’re already in doubt. Nobody is that evil, not even you. you can’t fool me, try as you may. "

I don't know about you, but I don't feel stargazer was showing any darkside. She was only talking about an aspect and how it manifested in her life.
I would appreciate it if you don't judge people. You don't her nor do you know me. So I wouldn't talk about people's darkside when you don't know that person. I find that very presumptuous and arrogant.

I will stick up for anybody who is mistreated in any way.

I do have Moon in Pisces square Neptune,trine Sun which indicates that I can highly empathize with others and can easily express that. If I see if somebody is talked down to, I can easily identify with that person and will stick up for that person. If I see somebody getting bashed on the street,I am not just going to watch it nor just walk by and not care. I am going to jump to the victim's defense even if it means kicking the offender's ass.

That's what I am all about.

I have a history of being talked down to a lot because of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. That has given me the ability to empathize with others that are talked down to.

Like I said before, condescending people are people don't like.

It's easy for me to like people. I am person who is very loving. However,if you mistreat somebody, I will let you have it. I will jump to somebody's defense like my Moon conjunct Lancelot in Pisces in 6th with 3 minutes of arc,Mercury conjunct Camelot with 3 minutes of arc,and Galahad square Ascendant with 10 minutes of arc,Galahad conjunct the Midheaven 2'04 orb,Knight in Aries sextile Mars in Aqarius with 54 minutes of arc,and Tristan conjunct Vertex in Aquarius with 36 minutes of arc. I grew up reading about King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table with the idealism of chivalry. I believe in coming to the defense of others and fighting for them. I believe in defending one's honor. I was born to serve. That's why I was in the US Navy for 7 years. That's why I help others as an astrologer and certified as a massage therapy as well as help and support my fellow neurodivergent people(Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,Aspergers,Autism,AD/HD,and all other learning disabled,sensory integration issues).

Let's agree to disagree and let's drop it.

posted November 22, 2006 11:00 AM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted November 22, 2006 02:00 PM            

GREAT animated gif!!

cristiname ~

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i don't need to be told about right or wrong; I have my own value-system.
are you considering me a child and treating me as one?!?

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I answered your question. Will you answer mine?? Will you refute my charges that you are attempting to control discussions toward YOUR point of view and YOUR ideas of astrological "right and wrong"??

posted November 22, 2006 02:10 PM              

re * .. If I had a dollar for everytime I felt like that! I'd be rolling around in alot of dough! *
.. did you mention .. dough .. dosh .. moolah ..
.. was sent that animation via email today
i've been trying to upgrade the system software on this comp. via the web. ..
but ran into a catch22 like situation .. the animation was in sympathy i guess :-))
one one hand i love to solve comp. problems .. and i've yet to 'come a cropper' (fail) ..
one the other hand it's mentally tiring .. and sometimes frustrating ..

uranian events : the recent assassination in lebanon has the potential to spark another civil war ..
and its just over 30 yrs since the last one .. thinkin' down saturnian lines ..

i've had transiting uranus squaring natal mars for sometime now ..
apart from a few minor domestic accidents .. nothing untowards has happened ..
keep spotting potentials about though .. audio collection is at very top of staircase ..
one little step backwards while perusing the titles .. .. :-))) .. bouncing bull ??

a question .. your cancer ascendant .. do you think transits of the moon have a big effect on you ??
i ask because recently i've come to realise they do on me .. i.e. with cancer asc. the chart ruler be the moon ..
my asc. be cancer as well .. ( moody so and so ;-)) .. maybe it's worth a separate thread ..
may even get lz.g 'cancer' typed out someday .. .. evidently it can make one a bit gossipy ..
never mind somewhat whacky .. on ocassion .. :-)

btw: the forum chart is evidently .. 3rd Nov. 2000 ..

hi Zala .. yeah i thought it was pretty neat myself .. ..
very apt pic description ..

posted November 23, 2006 03:01 PM            

This is like a christian and muslim arguing over whose religion is right.

I agree to disagree. I am done with this thread

posted November 23, 2006 05:42 PM            

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Zala,
I can only speak for myself, so obviously, what *I* think and believe in will motivate *my* actions and will come though *my* words. And I can only defend *my* opinions, or present *my* arguments. Even the links I post reflect *my* taste and *my* level of understanding astrology. And when I stand up for something, you can bet on the fact that it will be for *my* principles and *my* morality. Does this answer your question?

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This was my question:
Just one question, cristiname: did Randall or another moderator appoint you the Astrology Police??

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when I stand up for something, you can bet on the fact that it will be for *my* principles and *my* morality

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