posted November 10, 2006 06:51 PM            

I have a Pisces sun with Saturn, Mars, Mercury and Jupiter in Aqua opposed Uranus in Leo. The Merc, Jup and Mars are closely conjuncted, Saturn not opposed--much lesser degree.

I became a widow at the age of 39 when my husband took his own life. He was very mentally and emotionally abusive and my mom swears he could have easily taken me and my daughters with him--thank the heavens we are here!

I strive for peace in my life and have been in situations where violence could have easily taken place, but has never mainfested.

I think the square would be a bit more difficult than the opposition taking into consideration the compatability of the elements.

And for relationships..........I am single

posted November 10, 2006 09:57 PM            

I have a very bad temper that comes out very suddenly....like snap,cracle,and pop. I'm usually I'm quiet but once I'm in I can get really blunt and forceful, sometimes by accident, but especially when I'm trying to get a point across and I'm arguing with someone. People are very suprised by this side of me.

And then there's the issue of not liking being told what to do. Do not even get me started with that.

I think the way saturn and the 12th house figures into this is the low self-esteem part, but there's so much more to that that I've found elsewhere in my chart.

Is it tough for me to maintain a relationship? Well I don't know, I've been with the same person for almost a year.I guess you could say that I don't get into relationships that often considering that I'm a 7th house sun. I've never "dated" people like society wants me to. I could never do the "togetherness" thing with someone I was not that into. Before I started my current relationship, people would annoy the hell out of me with those "Why don't you have a boyfriend?" questions. People thought I was strange for not having one...and then they would patronize me with the "You? Not have a boyfriend?" line. I never understood why people felt the need to go out and "search" for one [partner] after just finishing up with another one. Are people really that overly-dependent? I never really search, its just that I met someone...thats all.

posted November 11, 2006 12:34 PM            

I agree that the opposition or conjunction would be different as the elements are compatible.. future/future/~ past/ past.

The square seems to be the harder aspect.
The whole confinement issue.

I have been looking at the chart of someone with this aspect 2' orb.
Mars in Scorpio in the 4th and Uranus in Virgo 0' in the 1st...I would think that the 1st/4th house combo would be especially difficult.. Pluto is also in the 1st at 9'
So a wide conjunction.. The ASC is Leo.
He also has mercury sextile uranus.. almost exact. He is very intelligent.
He is also accident prone and in and out of casual relationships even though he is married. He is what I would call someone living a "double life"
Temper is hot.. Anger about the past (childhood) is always surfacing...
He also has squares to Saturn and Jupiter from Merc. and Venus.
Very complicated man.

Dulce

***And then there's the issue of not liking being told what to do. Do not even get me started with that"*******

I have Aries moon 3rd house..Feel ya on that one.

I think your 7th house Sun would help you out as far as relationships go... I mean as far as maintaining goes....

The chart I've been looking at has all planets in houses 1-6.....

I think no planets in the relationship quadrant of his chart would mean the the here today- gone tomorrow- suits him fine.

posted November 11, 2006 01:43 PM            

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People who can live the "double life" have always intrigued me. It fascinates me how they can get away with it.
I wonder what kind of transit would signify the fall?

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Are you talking about one doing that in relationships? If so, I think Tsaturn hitting the 7th house or T saturn making a hard aspect to their natal venus would teach them the lesson they deserve.

Oh yeah, I forgot...I'm also sort of accident prone around the house. Always banging my foot into random objects, and always knocking over things by accident. I'm suprised I've never been in a car accident though.

I want to stress that I don't look to shake things up, but sometimes sh*t happens and I get shook up .

posted November 11, 2006 03:44 PM              

- Absolutely issues re being told what to do (in my case, definetly reaction to controlling dominating mother)
- Must find out for myself
- Easily sexually excited
- Physically sensitive (sexually) - have noticed this with other people with Mars/Uranus, but of course signs could alter this
- Initial sexual encounter most exciting part
- not generally accident prone, however I think this is due to the fixed energy
- anger can be explosive, almost frightening (this has been tamed down considerably with age)
- physically beaten throughout childhood (and other abuse)
- Dislike of routine, or alternately "Am I boring/I need to be exciting/interesting to others so must stimulate crisis/change (change as tactic/defense)
- typical reaction to any conflict is to end things abruptly, walk away, quit, move, etc. Becoming more aware of this tendency lately (Saturn tr.), trying not to run when situations get uncomfortable.

At the age of 46, my Uranus energy has been manifesting strong and clear, as never before, in the area of relationships (tr. Uranus in 5th). Usually crave monogamous relationship (Scorp/Taurus-7th/Leo!) however I've juggled 4 lovers for a year now, see them when I want, great friendships and affection but no commitment, which I've been perfectly content with. Open, honest, free and exciting. I'm surprised that it's been so easy, no heavy emotional intrusions from either side, very comfortable. With two of the four lovers there has been emotional involvement to some degree, however we all maintain our freedom and are open about outside arrangements - never knew I was so capable of sharing someone with others like that, so much possessive jealous energy in my chart (which I do feel, but I can let it go and also I don't want to be tied down to these particular guys)! Of course a deeper intimacy is still a desire but current arrangement is very EASY to live with. Not really "in love" with anyone at the moment. Works much better for me when I don't feel emotional neediness (independence).

posted November 11, 2006 04:11 PM              

Sun in Aries 13.15 in the 11th

Romantic relationships/marriage = death to me. I must have my freedom and live my life on my terms. The thing is about intimate thoughts and feelings that get to me and I feel intensly and strongly about stuff.

I'm feeling my uranian energy more - as my Progressed Mars is in Aquarius. I find it hard to oipen up to others - yet trying to balance is off by doing stand up comedy and singing karaoke so I don't suffer from the effects of repressed feelings.

I was engaged 3 to 4 times and never made it down the aisle and really don't think I'll ever get married. I don't see me ever being a widow.

There is this guy that I'm seeing now, he finds me quite different and has a hard time understanding my freedom loving side where I just want to detach a few days to recharge my batteries. It's been a few months and now he's looking to getting intimate. he is another Aries like myself. Transitting Uranus is now sitting right on top of his Venus in Pisces. I suspect I'm the Uranian influence he is experiencing. Being that Merc is RX, I don't want to move forward with any thing till Nov 20th.

posted November 12, 2006 10:02 AM            

astrology is an important medium of influence. you have no right to cause distress or pain by your irresponsabile affirmations! especially when they are NOT accurate.

uranus intensifies things. it represents individuality and one's energy towards self-determination and individuation (sometimes also called 'freedom')
mars reflects one's temper, desire nature, will, force, masculine and sexual energy, drive, etc.

when they interact in an contradictory way (as it happenes when there is a 90 degree between them) sparks may fly. which may or may not affect one's partner and relationship (cause distress or arguments, for example)

but in no way can cause their death! unless we talk about murder - one's bad temper and short fuse getting them to actually kill a partner. other than that, it's absolut crap - and the most dangerous crap there is.

posted November 12, 2006 01:12 PM            

Mars(past)/ Uranus(future)... thats all we are talking about...
How has this worked in your life? I have the sextile... we could talk about that, too.
No one but hippichick.. mentioned that she was a widow.

here is the the information on "that part"

"It is a peculiar fact that Mars-Uranus aspects are very common in the horoscopes of young widows and widowers. That is difficult to explain. Why do these people so often marry someone who is going to die? Is not the act of marriage conditioned by a future event? We often find the aspect in the chart of the mate of someone who is killed in an accident or who dies by violence. Why? It is seldom that we find the chart of a widow or a widower in which there is not some very strong Mars aspect, but quite frequently a Mars-Uranus aspect. "

There is much more...on the aspect overall..
http://homepages.hawaiian.net/drdon/tobey/les14.htm

I am sorry hippichick... I should have posted this for you sooner. I in no way meant to disrespect you or anyone else...

The person I know with this aspect is not a widower..

posted November 12, 2006 01:25 PM            

The person I know is very much like you...
****"Not really "in love" with anyone at the moment. Works much better for me when I don't feel emotional neediness (independence)."********

Although he is married, he manages to juggle these other relationships. Maybe its the excitement of something dangerous and the constant "new" it creates" This feels comfortable" past/ future...????

This of particular note:
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" Dislike of routine, or alternately "Am I boring/I need to be exciting/interesting to others so must stimulate crisis/change (change as tactic/defense)
- typical reaction to any conflict is to end things abruptly, walk away, quit, move, etc. Becoming more aware of this tendency lately (Saturn tr.), trying not to run when situations get uncomfortable."
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What Saturn transit are we talking?

thanks for being so candid

posted November 12, 2006 03:37 PM            

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astrology is an important medium of influence. you have no right to cause distress or pain by your irresponsabile affirmations! especially when they are NOT accurate.

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1st of all, Stargazer wasn't making an affirmation....she was just sharing with the rest of us what she had found out about the Mars-Uranus square. See....

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I have been reading about this aspect and have found it said that this is a common aspect in the charts of young widows and widowers...

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Now where in her post did she ever say that it indefinitely meant that someone would become a widow/er? All she wanted to know is if this was true for the rest of us Mars-uranus ppl.

posted November 12, 2006 04:00 PM            

Mars square Uranus can be doing things outside the box,and that's not necessarily bad. I have Mars in Aquarius myself,and so something similar. I also have Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus midpoint as well as Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint.

This isn't the first time that you were condescending either. You were condescending in another thread in regards to accursed degrees.

posted November 12, 2006 05:27 PM            

Star, my prev response may have been a bit vague----- liked your sweet sarcasm!!!

posted November 12, 2006 06:39 PM            

You're not alone by any means. For as long as I've been at LL, I've seldom seen cristiname write anything positive about anyone or their ideas. I've been on the receiving end of the Lady on Her High Horse too.....

posted November 20, 2006 10:23 PM              

What exctly did cristiname say in this thread that warrant you to gang up on her like mindless jackals anyhow? She disagreed, strongly. That's all. If that's your due cause, then why don't you gang up on someone like Glaucus? He's just as much of a bull-headed, insulting jerk himself! Oooooh, that's right - he kisses your a**es. My bad. I've been away from LL for a while and have forgotten how the LL hypocrite game is played aound here. It's just fine for the cool kids at LL to sit on their own high horses - but if *they* disapprove of *you*, you're f*cked. And god, don't I know all the verses to that tune.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Accusing someone of being a troll just because she dared voice a different view. Could you be any more small-minded? And what about her *very correct* stance that we need to be responsible in how we use astrology? How convenient you guys just ignored that. But I guess that's nothing unusual for this place. I've seen some of you spewing off about that "astrologer's responsibility" in other threads, so why is that different for her? Because you just don't like her. THAT'S ALL. That also explains why you guys turn a blind eye when someone you do like says irresponsible, even dangerous things elsewhere.

You guys talk lot about love, open minds, responsiblilty and whatnot, but then you prove yourselves to be full of nastiness, pettiness and venom. In all the time I've been around LL, I dare say some of you are *hateful* souls, pretending to be something otherwise for the attention and flattery you get here.

One last thing: pleeeeease, don't come back with any "this is how she always is" crappola. If she is like that all the time, maybe it's because you "all love and hearts" LL guys alienated her with your petty bigotry and close-mindedness so long ago, she has nowhere else to stand with you than against you (and god, I know how that feels too). Maybe, just maybe, if you guys were actually as kind and open and accepting as you pretend you are, then she likely wouldn't have any reason to speak to you in that manner.

Not I in this manner.

posted November 20, 2006 11:09 PM              

Open your eyes. ...

to not day dream

Ggod Night!

posted November 20, 2006 11:22 PM            

WTF??

How have I been a bull-headed,insulting jerk???

please explain

christiname was being condescending and talking down to people like they don't know anything. She accuses people of causing distress and pain. I was defending stargazer.

She did it in another thread too.

BTW...I don't kiss ass. I don't need to kiss ass.

I am just into helping people. I have been an astrologer helping people since 1999.

I don't see that as kissing ass.

posted November 20, 2006 11:36 PM            

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posted November 11, 2006 09:03 PM

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posted November 12, 2006 10:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname Edit/Delete Message these degrees interpretations were used for horary and event charts!!!! not natal interpretations.

before a battle or a sale, or a trip to a far land, ppl used to ask the astrologer to establish the most fortunate timing of such an enterprise. hence - these interpretations that helped with the timing.

some have tried to use the same interpretations for natal but astrologically it doesn't hold. bc the fixed stars are not 'conjunct' in the usual way - being in a different plane than our solar system planets (they are far far far away).

you ppl like sensationalistic stuff even when it burns your ears! words like 'unfortunate' or 'doomed' attract you like the flame attracts the flys.

fascinating. and so very sad.

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posted November 12, 2006 02:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus Edit/Delete Message there are astrologers who use fixed stars in natal charts.

Reinhold Ebertin did.
Diana Rosenberg does.
Anne Wright does.
Philip Sedwgick does.

There are astrologers who have done fixed star natal reports. I had one done...it used the alignments. Diana Rosenberg has fixed star natal report which uses modern,psychological interpretations for fixed stars.

Bernadette Brady uses fixed star parans.

"you ppl like sensationalistic stuff even when it burns your ears! words like 'unfortunate' or 'doomed' attract you like the flame attracts the flys.

fascinating. and so very sad. "

There is no need to be judgmental ok.
Just because we are interested in fixed stars or degrees doesn't necessarily mean that we like sensationalist stuff including stuff like unfortunate or doomed. Don't try to loop us all into one group. You don't know what we like. I keep an open mind that certain methods could work. Heck..I believe that my mom's moon near the accursed degree has something to do with never knowing her mother,being in 13 foster homes,and her volatile emotions. I believe that my mercury near the accursed degree has something to do with my learning disabilities,communication problems,and my being misunderstood as well as my volatile speech at times.

It's pretty much all about

to each his,or her own.

posted November 21, 2006 12:17 AM            

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posted November 11, 2006 12:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Inner depths Edit/Delete Message This has been an interesting year for me - as I get to know myself more and step away from the external influences that bogged me down I'm noticing my energies seem very Aquarian/Uranian.

I need a whole lot of space and can't stand to be tied down for 1 minute. I need freedom and without it I feel claustrophobic and highly jumpy.

I find this to be odd cause my astrological signature is Capricorn......

any insights - for those who know my chart???

ID

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posted November 12, 2006 09:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname Edit/Delete Message frankly, you cannot be aquarian.

Aquarius is a very mental sign; its favourite 'hobby' is to rationalize emotions - hence its symbol being a woman with a vase on her shoulder from which water pours down. water=emotions, and he water is externalized and 'rejected', thrown out.

since you say you "FEEL aquarian", it's an intrinsic contradiction proving that - in fact - you are not. you must be a water sign - those feel. the aquarian THINKS.

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posted November 12, 2006 02:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Inner depths Edit/Delete Message I'm sensing some amateurs on the board here who don't know what an ASTROLOGICAL SIGNATURE is and I really don't wish to teach or spread my knowledge of stuff today. Shall we go onto sign dispositorships and mutual reception?

CRISTINAME....so how long have you been studying astrology? You're coming off as an "I know it all" and ya know what deary - you are not the astrology police nor any authority on anything and you can take your attitude and leave me alone. I will have nothing to do with CONDESCENDING people. Another things is that you do not run this messageboard or website! I refuse to put up with a post like this and ya know what I don't see you being nice in other posts either. So now, get off your high horse and get real!

11th HOUSE SUN CAN EQUATE TO SUN IN AQUARIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUN IN OPPOSITION TO URANUS GIVES THE SUN SIGN SOME SORT OF URANIAN ENERGY - IN RELATIONSHIPS!

Another thing CHISTINAME Frankly you don't KNOW me as a person and I doubt that you have even looked at my chart - on that note I don't think I'd want to you do even do an astrological interpretation on me.

Before a blasted CRITICAL WORD comes out in your posts - examine what you think and explore where the other person is coming from instead of posting what you did. Hold no JUDGEMENTS of the other person before you go and tell them that THEY ARE WRONG! Everybody has a different angle on things and they are just how they are! So study up on some more astrology and shut up with being critical. Nuff said.

I have studied astrology since 1994 and apparently I KNOW my stuff cause I've been told that my readings have a 90% accuracy rate. i am a perfectionist from hell when it comes to this stuff and I really don't take stuff lightly.....my message to you is not to JUDGE others for what they say.....examine and explore it and go that way........

and right now I'm a fire breathing Aries.....so now ~ politely !=~ Back off with your judgments and ignorance....
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posted November 12, 2006 09:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname Edit/Delete Message frankly, you cannot be aquarian.

Aquarius is a very mental sign; its favourite 'hobby' is to rationalize emotions - hence its symbol being a woman with a vase on her shoulder from which water pours down. water=emotions, and he water is externalized and 'rejected', thrown out.

since you say you "FEEL aquarian", it's an intrinsic contradiction proving that - in fact - you are not. you must be a water sign - those feel. the aquarian THINKS.

posted November 21, 2006 12:23 AM            

I don't even do that as an astrologer. I ask people questions about their personality stuff from their chart. It's more like seeing if they agree or confirm what I tell them.

I am not into telling people and judging them based on their chart.

I didn't feel that christiname should have done that with inner depths. Innerdepths knows herself better than any of us here. If she feels like an Aquarian, so be it. That's how she feels. Why should any of us tell otherwise.

It's not like Aquarians aren't capable of feeling either..They are because they are human beings just like everybody here is..heck..especially if they have significant water placements. My mother is a Gemini and she's mostly water and she's overly emotional,feeling,sensitive type. I know an Aquarius with Moon in Pisces trine Mars in Cancer,and she feels strongly.

heck..a person with Moon in Aquarius might "feel Aquarian"

I have Moon in Pisces, and I "feel very Piscean" especially with my Moon square Neptune.

Actually...I feel Aquarian myself. After all, I have Moon conjunct Mars in the astronomical constellation of Aquarius.

My Moon is in occultation(true 3D conjunction and parallel)with Ancha(Hip),theta Aquarius. My Moon is in alignment(projected ecliptic conjunction)with Sadalmelik(Lucky Star of the King),alpha Aquarius. Sadalmelik is in culminating paran with my Moon.

I also have Sun trine 11th house ruler(Moon)and that could give me affinity with Sun in Aquarius.

My Moon sesquiquadrate Uranus could give me a little affinity with Moon in Aquarius.

My Uranus in Libra in 2nd could give me affinity with Venus in Aquarius.

My Uranus trine Midheaven could give me affinity with Midheaven in Aquarius.

I also have no Ptolemaic planetary aspects to Uranus.

Unaspected Uranus- It is very rare to spot an unaspected Uranus in birthcharts. But its weak aspects cannot be taken for personal levels. Unaspected Uranus does not seem to engender the same dynamic, rebellious or eccentric qualities which are often apparent when aspects do occur. Unaspected Uranus is quietly unique and independent. It is less excitable and more stable than an aspected one.

Unaspected planets are nearly always overtly expressed in a person's nature and they often dominate his chart. When unaspected planets occur in a birthchart, they should be observed closely as they have the capacity of changing the entire pysche of the individual.

posted November 21, 2006 06:31 AM            

You've made some judgments here without all the facts.

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One last thing: pleeeeease, don't come back with any "this is how she always is" crappola. If she is like that all the time, maybe it's because you "all love and hearts" LL guys alienated her with your petty bigotry and close-mindedness so long ago, she has nowhere else to stand with you than against you.

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Zala

Edited to add: GN, your outrage apparently comes from your perception that we have no just cause to react the way we did. Look at the list of people you are "surprised" by re: our replies to cristiname. Knowing the caliber of our characters as you do, can you really condemn ALL of us without the backstory which caused our ire?? Glaucus posted some of it -- there's more. Not everyone who studies astrology automatically becomes more tolerant of others' views. Some indulge in what I like to call Astro-Snobbery, where their viewpoints are correct and everyone else is full of sh!t. I think people who try to control what others think and say should be called on their narrow-minded behavior.
And btw "bull-headed, insulting jerk" is not how I have found Glaucus to be -- I think you're way off base here.