posted January 09, 2007 02:30 PM              

Both can be interpreted in various ways, depending upon the perspectives concerned.

posted January 09, 2007 02:31 PM              

your looking at the transits only from the perspective that you think would make them not want to get married. Try and look at them in a different way.
Transits aren't going to effect every one the same way.

posted January 09, 2007 02:45 PM              

This is what I get from you tranists

True Node opposition True Node (this is not a bad aspect. Its karmic. NN opposition NN just give you NN conjunct SN.)

Pluto conjucting progressive and SA Venus (I see in NO way how that would say "no marriage for me please" Pluto conjuncting venus is more about obsession. Which might make them want to get married even more.)

posted January 09, 2007 03:16 PM              

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You have a desire to grow and expand, but your attitude is tempered with some caution and feelings of restriction.

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Are there some things to over come....yes. But astrology in 3 dimensional and just because you think a transit should work one way doesn't mean it will.

posted January 09, 2007 03:18 PM              

First of all, how well do you think you can interpret planetary transits?
The transits you listed are typical saturn return transits (uranus opp saturn, for example) that usually occur when person is nearing the age of 30. Think of what people often do around that time. Many seem to feel the need to "grow up" and really take resposibility of their actions. Many changes happen: people get married, start families, change their old job to a more meaningful one...
A transit involving two outer planets tend to have a somewhat different nature to the ones involving an outer planet and one of your personal planets. The transits you listed seem to indicate major changes in life. Such as marriage. A friend of mine just had a very much wanted baby and she's having pretty much the same transits right now. These transits don't mean that you'll be having a miserable time, they mean changes. Or do you think no one in their late twenties will get happily married or make succesful changes in their life???

If you want to look for potential signs of problems in personal relationships, look for outer planets making harsh transits to moon or venus for example. And always look at the big picture, there are several transits going on simultaneously, so you have to take them all into consideration when trying to form a forecast. And also study the individual's birth chart in order to find clues of how bumpy his/her love life could be, how easily they give up in relationships etc. (if that's your area of intrest).

posted January 09, 2007 04:01 PM            

All other are squares and oppositions, not to mention that she had Pluto conjucting Mercury.

posted January 09, 2007 04:07 PM              

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It is not a question of belief; the scientific attitude one should take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief.
Charlatans have brought the ancient stellar science to its present dispute. Astrology is too vast, both mathematically and philosophically, to be rightly grasped except by men of profound understanding. If ignoramuses misread the heavens, and see there a scrawl instead of a script, that is to be expected in the imperfect world. One should not dismiss the wisdom with the 'wise.'

All parts of creation are linked together and interchange their influences. The balanced rhythm of the universe is rooted in reciprocity. Man, in his human aspect, has to comabt two sets of forces - first, the tumults within his being, caused by the admixture of earth, water, fire, air, and ethereal elements; second, the outer disintegrating powers of nature. So long as man struggles with his mortality, he is affected by the myriad mutations of heaven and earth.

Astrology is the study of man's response to planetary stimuli. The stars have no conscious benevolence or animosity; they merely send forth positive and negative radiations. Of themselves, these do not help or harm humanity, but offer a lawful channel for the outward operation of cause-effect equilibriums that each man has set into motion in the past.

A child is born on that day at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with his infividual karma. His horoscope is a challenging portrait, revealing his unalterable past and its probable future results. But the natal chart can be rightly interpreted only by men of intuitive wisdom: these are few.

The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate - the result of past good and evil - but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he possesses spriritual resources that are not subject to planetary pressure.

Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automation, slavishly dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets - which is to say, his past - by transferring his allegiance from the creation to the Creator. The more he realizes his unity with Spirit, the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever free; it is deathless because it is birhtless. It cannot be regimented by stars.

Man is a soul, and has a body. When he properly places his sense of identity, he leaves behind all compulsive patterns. So long as he remains confused in his ordinary state of spiritual amnesia, he will know the subtle fetters of environmental law.

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~By Paramahansa Yogananda

posted January 09, 2007 04:09 PM            

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posted January 09, 2007 04:40 PM            

K.

posted January 09, 2007 04:41 PM              

You say you don't believe in astrology anymore, you insult it and people who practice it, and then you post a chart and expect us to "prove" to you that astrology's true. No one has to defend or prove anything here. Well except maybe you - I'd like for you to prove to me that you don't just have your head up you a**.

You problem IS NOT astrology. You problem is you want DOGMA. You want something to tell you want to do, what to think, so you don't have to be accountable for your own choices. That is what dogma is. I have no patience for people who won't think for themselves and then whine because whatever dogma they choose to substitute for their own brains, be it religion, political ideology, divination, whatever, lets them down. Such people deserve to be disappointed.

Astrology is not dogma, and to treat it as such is a misuse and abuse of its gifts. It doesn't offer absolute truths that we have to blindly accept - it offers insights that help inform our free will. Astrology is a tool, not a dictator. Our free will benefits from astrology (when it is properly used) because the more aware we are of ourselves, our relationship and the world, the better we are at making the right choice. You are always free to reject that insight if you feel that it is not what you need that the time.

If you are such a slave to anything that you cannot move forward in your life without it, you should abandon it. But at east be honest enoughto admit that *you* have chosen to make yourself a slave to astrology - astrology is not to blame here. *You* misapplied it. You tried to get something from it that it doesn't give. That was your choice, likely a very ignorant one, but your choice nonetheless. Don't blame astrology for your own foolishness.

posted January 09, 2007 04:51 PM            

I have a right to tell and to think what I think now. And do you know why? Because I deserve like every human being, that if I cannot have something, I deserve new start. Right?

posted January 09, 2007 06:42 PM              

all of the positions above look nice.

posted January 09, 2007 07:21 PM              

this was perfectly fine.

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Astrology is not dogma, and to treat it as such is a misuse and abuse of its gifts. It doesn't offer absolute truths that we have to blindly accept - it offers insights that help inform our free will. Astrology is a tool, not a dictator. Our free will benefits from astrology (when it is properly used) because the more aware we are of ourselves, our relationship and the world, the better we are at making the right choice. You are always free to reject that insight if you feel that it is not what you need that the time.

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posted January 09, 2007 07:24 PM            

no Saturn transit or Uranus transit or aspect is going to change someone's final decision...they're just guidelines but hey, if someone doesn't want to follow it, they just dont. and thats' how it is... astrology does not control how we live ... its all about possibilities..

i think you're just forgetting the free will aspect because youre frustrated..god knows i've been frustrated like this before...try 4-5 years of not seeing what you want or not understanding...but if everyone relied on transits/aspects to live their lives ...well, there would be no use for "living"....

posted January 09, 2007 09:52 PM              

i didn't even notice it until recently, but my current venus/saturn opposition which is punching me in the face at the moment really showed me how i can bask in the depressing facets of astrology and made me wonder if i didn't know about it then would i really feel as awful as i do?

posted January 09, 2007 10:24 PM              

For me astrology is something fun (sorry for the ones that take this seriously, i'm not saying that this is a game or something like that), it can be useful and everything.
Maybe you kindjali saw all this as the greatest thing that never fails and stuff so now that you see that there's a contradiction between astrology and what really happened you feel kind of broken hearted with it, its normal but you should try to sublimate not reject, it works for me =) .

Well that's just my advise, I hope you found them useful.

Sorry if my english is not perfect, my first language is spanish, anyway if you want an explanation for something I wrote, just ask.

posted January 09, 2007 11:43 PM              

I've noticed here and there on this board some people taking astrology way too seriously. While I'm not trying to judge anyone and I find astrology as insightful and interesting as the next person, I don't feel it should take the place of common sense.

I feel that just because transits or what have you say one thing, people will choose to do what they will. There is much more to life and choices than astrology--and while some things might appear to be influenced by transits and such (maybe they are, maybe not) I don't feel it's healthy to determine your whole life on such things.

I read once in an astrology book "The stars incline, they do not compel."