posted February 13, 2007 08:25 PM              

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Neptune sweety, I have to agree with Sue....you can't try to be a Femme Fatale it really just comes naturally and usually with experience too

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posted February 13, 2007 08:43 PM            

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which astrological aspects, positions, as well as natal fixed stars links and conjuncts indicate the femme fatal?

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posted February 13, 2007 08:58 PM              

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And no one can try to be a femme fatale, you either have it or you don't. People who try to be one usually come off being very cheesy (see Britney Spears). And also, I would say a femme fatale has wayyy more power than the a completely submissive woman because unlike the submissive woman the femme fatale is in control

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I understand and thats what I was trying to say but I, right, just didn't word it correctly, and of course, my first human reaction is that you misunderstood, its a human thing. Of course i just acted too quickly, like i do sometimes, which i shouldn't.

oh, yea, thats what i was trying to discuss, the advantages and disadvantages of being in control and being 'on the bottom' so to speak. To me, it switches the traditional power control, the male isn't dominant anymore, and to me, thats not attractive. It could probably be, sexy, yea, but at the same time, you can't make a person need you or fall in love with you unless you possess a quality they may need in a woman or something exceptional to offer them.

The best love and lovers are sentimental, and generally femme fatals aren't. And thats the point i was trying to make. Subtle sexiness, the equivalent of understated elegance in style terms, is always the best of the best, but femme Fatales are over rated, and that concept of a woman mostly receives all the attention, because in this world, its always "things that are taken to extremeties".

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 13, 2007 08:59 PM              

does any one else want one...or do you want to wait and see if I suck at it first lol
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and then the lord said let there be crazy people, and he saw that it was.......oh crap..........this is not good.........ummmm...cough,cough I didn't do this.. ummmm Luna whats wrong with you, why'd you make these people crazy
Luna: WHAT?!? your not going to pin this on me!
God: cough cough and then the lord dubbed the crazy people Lunatics
Luna: WHAT?!?!!!! don't name them after me!
Luna: and why are you talking about yourself in the third person
God: God can do what ever he wants to do, Muahahahahah
Luna: I hate you....sigh...I'm never going to live this down

posted February 13, 2007 09:03 PM              

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 13, 2007 09:53 PM            

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To me, it switches the traditional power control, the male isn't dominant anymore, and to me, thats not attractive. It could probably be, sexy, yea, but at the same time, you can't make a person need you or fall in love with you unless you possess a quality they may need in a woman or something exceptional to offer them.

The best love and lovers are sentimental, and generally femme fatals aren't. And thats the point i was trying to make. Subtle sexiness, the equivalent of understated elegance in style terms, is always the best of the best, but femme Fatales are over rated, and that concept of a woman mostly receives all the attention, because in this world, its always "things that are taken to extremeties".

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posted February 14, 2007 06:05 AM              

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Oh my bad, I hope I don't seem like I'm trying to jump down your throat...I'm just trying to make a point here.

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To me, it switches the traditional power control, the male isn't dominant anymore, and to me, thats not attractive. It could probably be, sexy, yea, but at the same time, you can't make a person need you or fall in love with you unless you possess a quality they may need in a woman or something exceptional to offer them.
The best love and lovers are sentimental, and generally femme fatals aren't. And thats the point i was trying to make. Subtle sexiness, the equivalent of understated elegance in style terms, is always the best of the best, but femme Fatales are over rated, and that concept of a woman mostly receives all the attention, because in this world, its always "things that are taken to extremeties".

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I thought this really had nothing to do with falling in love....this was strictly about femme fatales and their sexuality. Most times a femme fatale is not concerned about making anyone fall in love with her. More like seduction type thingy if you get what I'm saying. And seducing someone does not necessarily equal making them fall in love with you. One last thing, I don't believe you can actively make anyone fall in love with you.....it just has to 'naturally' happen. Do you get what I'm saying?

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yea and it may well naturally happen if you have qualities that the person needs or something exceptional to offer them.

Dulce, i get what your saying, and i know you get what i'm saying, i think were both just adding in things that both of us are leaving out, lol, its funny, but true. Great stuff.

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 14, 2007 06:38 AM            

If my understanding of 'femme fatale' is accurate, I'm probably the opposite of a femme fatale because it goes against every principle I have.

The idea of it seems cool or fun almost. My first reaction would be “a femme fatale.. how entertaining. It would make for great television" kind of like ‘cat woman’.

It's something that works well in a movie, in a painting, in a novel, in art. It illustrates passion. But it isn't something that I could apply in day to day life because people are not characters. They have actual lives and sex is a part of their lives. It should never become the beginning and end all.. and I wouldn't want to be responsible for reducing someone to 'sex object' status.. Bad karma.

Also, I guess I see the beauty in sex and I respect the spiritual connection too much to muddy it with power plays that might cause the other person grief.
Power should be balanced and complementary for the two people to be completely in sink. The concept of femme fatale (the powerful woman) or the macho player (the powerful guy) creates a power imbalance. There’s something about this that irks me deep down.. It *feels* wrong but I can’t quite articulate why.. I have my Venus trine Mars.. with Neptune in conjunction to Mars.. I guess my idea of love and sex is much more peaceful.

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 15, 2007 04:03 PM              

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 16, 2007 03:28 AM              

for example here in india our tantric ideas leave no space for the concept that sueg n others put forward coz uh, well, u see

SEX is RELIGION
when ur gods r in a permanent state of lovemaking the idea of a femme fatale is moot
i know ,unbelievable but its true.( lucky me !)

the coming of opposites is celebrated in our culture but the victorian era did dampen things a bit.

on this topic my placements r thus

venus conjunct chiron in taurus in a double quincunx to neptune and pluto
sun and moon opposite neptune(gives a pisces edge)
PLUTO in eighth house!(for that scorpio effect)

posted February 16, 2007 05:54 AM              

WOW.......WOW......WOW......

Let me buy a plane ticket....

NOW!!!

I am so sick of people dissing sex and claiming that its not spiritual, not of the soul....how can it NOT be when it is the creator of LIFE!!!!

Venus...your people to my mind are one of the most spiritually aware in the word.....

Thanks for bringing this to the forum!!!

posted February 16, 2007 08:54 AM              

I don't know if someone can figure it out in my chart but i always have at least 2 to 6 men liking me all the time. Lots of times I find out a year or so later. I will hear, "you know we have been freinds for a long time and i have to finally tell you...blah blaha..."

I never considered myself a femme fatale but now I am wondering what could be causing this because i dont go out and try. I think i am attractive but not a knock out. It is a joke among my freinds. I mean I just found out last night that a guy who is 17 years younger than me is starting a rumor that we are dating because he has such a crush on me. Crazy!

posted February 17, 2007 03:32 PM              

saturn square aphrodite??

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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted February 18, 2007 08:38 AM              

I too have strong neptune too.....

.....d r e a m y......

posted February 18, 2007 05:36 PM              

I agree with you definately. I have often felt misplaced in the typical American culture. I believe Sex IS spiritural and that there is no higher creative force and if used wisely it can accelerate your spiritual evolution. I have taurean mars, venus, and chiron conjunct in the 5th house opposing Uranus in Scorpio in the 11th. I also have a highly pisean chart, my Sag Neptune is the strongest planet and conjunct the ASC in the 1st, and have a pisces moon. Sun Conj Jupiter in the 7th. I have sun trine libran pluto in the 10th with nnode in libra. Saturn in Leo in the 8th gives me periods of celibacy.