posted April 06, 2007 12:22 AM              

As someone with a 12th house sun and moon, I can say that I know the struggles of having a 12th house nature. I cannot imagine how hard it is to be someone with that heavy a 12th house influence. I feel deeply sorry for this person you speak of. The twelfth house is a dark place, but one with a lot of beauty. The beauty of dreams and illusions, the beauty of the deepest empathy and compassion. But there is so much aloneness. So much isolation. I can't help feeling like it's *impossible* to relate to somebody with that much 12th house in them... though, that would be silly to say. Nothing is impossible. But it will be very challenging.
You'll really have to connect with this person on a psychic level to be *with* them. My instinct says this person will never be entirely accessible. The 12th houser's soul is behind locked doors.

posted April 06, 2007 02:17 AM            

12th house sun, neptune, mercury. Netpune conj sun.

Isolation brings us to that place, I'm there right now. Feeling sorry for yourself, alone, yet not wanting to be with others really. Your heart really grows during these times. The 12th house forces one to be aware of suffering and sorrow. It truly is the house of accelerated spiritual growth, keep that in mind. It does have a purpose.

posted April 06, 2007 02:36 AM              

I have trouble seeing the good in this world. Most of the time all I see is pain and negativity and think, why we have to give each other so much pain when it's hard enough to exist, you know. and the reality of existence that we are all going to perish anyway so why not just help each other to make living easier. i hope i communicated that alright.

Sun Trine Neptune
Jupiter Trine Neptune

posted April 06, 2007 10:14 AM            

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Ohhhhhh the isolation.

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posted April 06, 2007 12:17 PM              

With all my Cancerian in a Pisces house at times I feel as if Pisces said " hey, Cancer, old buddy, come on in." and I enthusiastically said "SURE!" Yes, it's a lonely isolating house that makes you want to sit around and ruminate about all your shortcomings and problems,but that is OUR CHOICE! We could be using the house for massive creative efforts - art beyond our belief, meditation, creation, compassion. Afterall this is a Pisces house and this house has been given a lot of bad rap because it's the last zodiac sign (endings, undoing)
but the last shot's the deadliest for good or bad. So let's decide to make great art, great music, commune with nature, try to connect with someone else who feels lonely, learn to play an instrument, learn more metaphysics, dance, create, sing, meditate, help the less fortunate, be a humanitarian and do anything else Piscean in nature.
This is the house of behind the scenes, great writers dwell here, accomplished artists, behind the scenes movie people, make-up artists, psychologists, therapists, healers,even some actors and presidents. if your another water sign this house welcomes you with ease. If your in opposition (Virgo) it says you can have all this creativity if you don't get sucked into the negative aspects of Pisces or Virgo (escapism, daydreaming, ruminating - overanalyzing, being too exacting)Your concrete make it happen Virgo quality can bring all this creative metaphysical stuff to reality. If your squared to Pisces, focus on the positive aspects of your sign to see how you can benefit to the positive aspects of Pisces and the signs in the house. Geminii use communication, your quick mind and coming up with solutions, Sag happy-go-lucky, positive philosophy, alternative religion...

The key to the 12th house is to focus on gratitude and the positive nature of all the signs/planets involved to find a compomise to the challenge. See the positive even though you've been told it's a bad place to be!

posted April 06, 2007 01:52 PM              

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t's really tough, but doable if your mentally, physically, spiritually, personally, strong and stick to it.

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YES. Exactly that. Communication has eased a great deal for us. Not shutting out, and always always talking and being honest with each other. It's hasn't been all roses, mind you, though we've worked on ourselves and with each other, and that helps.

Good luck.
GG

posted April 17, 2007 03:14 AM              

I have Sun, Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter in Aquarius in the 12th House, and Pisces rising...as well as some 8th house planets...and Moon square Neptune. The 12th house certainly does present problems, but honestly I think it's more the way our society views the kinds of things associated with the 12th house that's the problem. It's harder to find a "place" in the world with an emphasized 12th house. It is more the position of a person whose joy is simply in being, contemplating, dreaming, and giving abundant compassion, than of someone with the drive to "make it" in the world.

Fortunately I am discovering my more people-oriented side (Libra moon in the 7th house, so I can relate more easily to people), but I still spend 90% of my time alone or with my best friend. I need a ton of down time and I'm not very focused. This semester especially, I have not been at all motivated to do my schoolwork and there is nothing anyone can say to motivate me. They wonder why I don't do anything...I just want to be in my room and have fun in my quiet little way, not be pressured by the outside world.

The 12th house is the most "feminine" of the houses. It is unconditional love and grace, wisdom, and deep mystery. I really think it should be appreciated and not put down as a negative placement for planets. It's true that I may not have as many friends as other people, or go out to parties, or have worldly accomplishments to list for myself, but I believe I'm a good person with a good heart, a great imagination, with a lot of joy and peace to offer this crazy world. Children and animals are sometimes attracted to me because they sense I'm not like other people...I'm good at soothing others, but too much emotional wear and tear leaves me completely drained (I'm an Aquarius, remember!). The 12th house is a blessed house, but the path can be lonely and trying since society very much favors an extroverted approach to life where you have to DO DO DO, and get ahead, in order to be seen as interesting and successful. But a 12th house person doesn't have to DO anything to be a blessing to the world. We just have to find our innermost love and wisdom--our truest light, and then the confidence and courage to let it shine. Then we are among the most successful people, and certainly among the most beloved.

Do you 12th housers find that you have trouble doing a lot? So many people I know are involved in all kinds of activities...I just like to come home after whatever obligations I have and relax. I turn off if there are too many expectations, too. I need a lot of time to process my emotions and inner experiences as well. I need a lot of space and time to let my subconscious work through unknowable stuff...then I can slowly put this stuff into artwork and sometimes words.

posted April 17, 2007 06:36 AM            

I agree with all of you. Totally. And it can get easier to learn to live in an extroverted world if you so choose...just learn to make a little energetic bubble around yourself

There are so many benefits to 12th house placements, really. It's a lot of work but I think that the rewards outweigh the occupational hazards.

~ Love

posted April 17, 2007 12:06 PM              

But I do constantly feel that nagging pressure that I'm not -doing- enough. I feel like I really ought to be out there, you know, serving a purpose. But like you spoke of, I have this sense that just by existing I am serving my purpose. I have a sense that I was put on this planet to fulfill a certain role. The 12th house role, you know what I'm talking about. To love unconditionally, to listen, to absorb. [Also, being a Cancer, I have that sense too - that I am here to nurture, etc.] In a sense I kind of feel like a doormat... I constantly find myself in positions where my heart is being trampled on, I am being taken advantage of... but I am somehow accepting of that, because I feel like it's my job, in a way.

Can anyone empathize with this?

P.S. I love this thread... being a 12th houser is really hard... I like knowing I'm not alone.

posted April 17, 2007 01:50 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted April 23, 2007 02:28 AM              

Wow, luna*tic, it must be interesting being a 12th house Cancer. Though, in some ways, that does unite the purpose of your life a bit more than being, say, a 12th house Aquarius. I guess when air or fire is in the 12th house, there's this push and pull with the desire to know others--"get out there"-- and the desire to be alone, that can be kind of confusing. I kind of wish I could just be a doormat, but no way in hell! XD lol Doesn't help that I have 3 Pluto squares to my Aquarian planets, and a Scorpio Mars in the 8th house..."Don't tread on me!" So I am always asking myself, what's the real purpose of my life? Since I like people, but I hate being around them for very long, and I hate serving people endlessly because I ultimately find my own mind more interesting (I'm too selfish, I think, because of the Pluto squares maybe), but at the same time I want to help and love others, to listen...and...yeah... ;_; I don't know!

posted April 23, 2007 07:16 AM              

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I am *constantly* (I'd say 2-3x a week) being asked by random people - "are you ok? you look sad" or "what are you thinking about?"... I tend to be in my own little world, and I think its very evident to people that are around me day to day.

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Yeah, I hear that completely. Moon in 12th conj ASC here. I feel like I'm drifting 90% of the time... my mind is always elsewhere. I guess the ASC conjunction makes that obvious, even if I'm not aware that I'm giving off that spacey vibe. Ppl are always asking if I'm feeling okay or why I'm not being an 'active participant'... errr... well I like to listen to and observe other ppl instead... and I'm totally okay with that. But it's been grilled into my head for yrs that uber-quietness is not very good social etiquette... which I guess I kind of understand...

posted April 23, 2007 07:53 PM              

Nonetheless, I do often times find myself struggling with the isolation that I am typically known to impose upon myself. At the end of each year, and for no real reason at all, I used to change my telephone number and purge many, many people out of my life.

Even now, I totally avoid relationships because I know that at some point in time I'll disappear within myself for about a month or so and leave my mate scratching his head in total confusion.

And all that's just with one planet in the 12th House... My goodness I couldn't imagine having any more.

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Tanae'

posted April 24, 2007 11:55 AM              

Leverseau,
i wish i could "just be a doormat" sometimes too. Yes, I am a cancer and that does unify my purpose a bit as a twelfth house resident, but remember that I also have a Leo moon, Leo rising, and saturn uranus and neptune in the 5th house! It is a constant struggle to want to be out in the limelight and alone in the dark...

posted April 24, 2007 07:14 PM              

Taurus/Scorpio/Cancer