posted April 16, 2007 12:51 PM              

I have them all. No wonder I'm so prone to depression.
I've a stellium in Capricorn, Capricorn Descendant, Venus Opposition Saturn, Sun Opposition Pluto, Moon Opposition Jupiter, Sun Conjunction Jupiter. Oh, and my Moon in Scorpio Conjunction Pluto and 12th house stellium.

(Just ordered the book!)

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So how can one (who's heavily influenced by those signs) get over depression and live a happy life? Is it possible to get over it? Or does one have to adjust and control their depression? Does it get better for this individual? My mom, she has Sun and Neptuen in Scorpio/8th, Mercury in Scorpio, Sag Moon, with stellium in Sag and 10th house.

posted April 16, 2007 01:42 PM            

I guess I too am screwed with my Sag sun capricorn asc/mercury and moon in scorpio.

It is true though, I tend to go into this hyperspiritual joyful state, where I think that I am favored by god's blessing, then I'll crash the next day, be laying on the floor, wondering why I'm even alive. I wouldn't say I'm bipolar because these swings aren't long lasting events, my ebullience or my depression tends to only last about 24 hours, then I'm normal again.

posted April 16, 2007 02:27 PM            

These 3 signs are very strong in my chart, as well.

Scorpio Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus
Jupiter Square Sun and Op Moon
Mars/Merc in Sag
Pluto Square Capricorn Ascendant
(Saturn in the 8th)

Cap,

We're all (screwed) in this together.

TS,

Yeah, you're definitely f*cked.
((just kidding!))

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So how can one (who's heavily influenced by those signs) get over depression and live a happy life?

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You'll get a different answer from everyone you ask. I think it takes time (experience), necessary disilluisionment, and a lot of hard work. Excercise, diet, alternative healing methods (reiki, massage, acupuncture, etc.), serious relationships (preferably a balance between people who can understand, and more stable people, who try to), meaningful work, and spirituality. All of these are important.

posted April 16, 2007 02:27 PM            

I'm sorry to hear about the cutting. I have friends who have done that. I know there are people (some heartless, some just misguided) who say that this is "just to get attention". The truth is, attention = love, and we all need love, and we all have different ways of trying to get it; some direct, some indirect; some healthy, some destructive. Most of all we need understanding. We need just enough compassion for ourselves to seek out people who will try to understand us, and calmly offer support. God!, if we could only be gentle with ourselves.

Love and luck to you.

Blue Roamer,

We have a lot in common.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclothymic_Disorder

hsc

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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

'My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. When Christ said that man does not live by bread alone, he spoke of a hunger. This hunger was not the hunger of the body. It was not the hunger for bread. He spoke of a hunger that begins deep down in the very depths of our being. He spoke of a need as vital as breath. He spoke of our hunger for love.
Love is something you and i must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it. We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens. Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.
With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others.'
- Chief Dan George

'Judgment is the antithesis of understanding,
and hatred of evil is the craftiest and least well-known of vices,
so easily is it mistaken for love of good.'
- Heart-Shaped Cross

'What keeps most people from suffering very much is lack of imagination.... Everything great that we know has come from neurotics. It is they and only they who have founded religions and created great works of art. Never will the world be aware of how much it owes to them, nor, above all, what they have sufferred in order to bestow their gifts upon it.'
- Marcel Proust

posted April 16, 2007 06:28 PM              

hehe, just kidding, but isn't that book awesome !! did you notice we picked up the same sections from the book !

posted April 17, 2007 10:08 AM              

Sun-Sagittarius
Mercury-Scorpio
Mars-Capricorn

Saturn in the 12th opposing Venus
Moon conjunct Jupiter

I feel everything they described.
And do swing from experiencing the most
beautiful of idealistic vision and hope to the most isolating, immobile depression (disenchantment). I've become used to the shifts, and most often remain silent through it, waiting for it to pass.
Really no current experience need trigger it. Deep sensitivity to the slightest shifts of subtle nuances sensed from others is enough to trigger past pains I've internalized and not healed from.
Feelings of overwhelmingness---more and more pilings of expectations retreat me into myself, until I feel temporarily paralyzed to communicate (isolation). During these times the slightest intuitions feel magnified.

Cutting oneself. I never did this routinely. One poignant suicidal time (15 yrs. old) , and the sight of all the blood sobered me. Just deep enough to leave faint lifetime scars on my arms.

posted April 17, 2007 06:34 PM            

Oh, I didnt know you copied all that stuff out already. That was nice of you. I dont have the book, and haven't read it. A friend scanned these for me just the other day.

Calioppe,

Lia,

Love.

posted April 17, 2007 07:04 PM            

I just use astrology to explain this symptom, I'm born 4 hours away from capricron on the sag/cap cusp, so I really feel pulled between expansion and contraction all the time...I prefer this explanation to a mood disorder

posted April 17, 2007 07:50 PM            

Astrology is my language of choice, as well. I, too, would rather avoid the stigma of a "mood disorder". I only offered the link on cyclothymia because you mentioned bi-polar disorder in your response, and seemed to suggest that you would consider yourself bi-polar, but for the short duration of your bouts. I'm gald to hear you prefer a more esoteric approach.

posted April 17, 2007 11:03 PM            

Bipolar disorder is a very obvious disorder during the manic phases, its hard to confuse mania with other things.

Cyclothymia is more sublte and can be tougher to recognize, depending on the severity of the highs and lows.

posted April 18, 2007 01:29 AM            

Venus Opposite Saturn
Sun Square Pluto
(In addition to the things I mentioned in ILWL's thread)

posted April 18, 2007 02:12 AM              

i have venus conjuct saturn which has made me brood over things and a moon conjuct jupiter in my sun sign sagittarius which has given me a flighty, impractical mind.

i think i am close to finding the root cause of my wastefulness.

posted April 18, 2007 09:56 AM              

Blue, on hypersensitivity~~
oh yeah...without going into detail, maybe you understand, because I think most people would think me crazy if I were to reveal the smallest slights that can sometimes bring me to quiet tears. I can sense cold shifts from people like the Hubble can view quasars, which believe me, is not a helpful kind of intuition to have.

I was wondering, BR, and hope this isn't too prying...(I sense this of you and just wondered if it were true)...when you are at a deep low, do you often find yourself often thrust in the position of counseling others for their lows?
And perhaps you keep it so contained, and belittle the significance of your own pain, as if other's pain is more traumatic and important?
And perhaps they see you as the stable/together one, never realizing what's going on under your surface?

Do you have a kind of repeating life theme
where when you need the most comfort--
ultimately something always happens to place that responsibility on your shoulders instead, further suppressing your own pain and leaving it unhealed?

Stephen
thanks

posted April 18, 2007 10:56 AM            

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AG and the Evolution, do you believe it when someone tells you they love you?
Do your Sag influences convince yourself that you don't need for anyone? (possibly as a protective mindset/barrier to prepare for a fall?) just curious.

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Yes. Other people are outside of me, and they're free to feel how they like. It has sometimes been touching in the past when I'm not loving myself to have someone come along and express some love and humanity toward me.

posted April 18, 2007 05:13 PM            

I find that I put myself in a position where I will have to counsel people, and people do perceive me as logical, steady, and wise, and often come to me with their problems. I don't mind this, and when I'm feeling the most low, it actually makes me feel better. Discussing my problems often doesn't really help, especially depressed/hopeless feelings. These are just stages that I know have to pass. I tend to be more likely to discuss irritations and annoyances, which probalby irritates other people, but I can get pretty irritable sometimes (mars sq sun/merc?). I tend to simply bottle the sadness and wait for it to pass.